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I think i may have figure out the universe:

05-27-2010, 08:22 AM

Correct me if i am wrong on details. im going to try to keep this post as compact as possible.

so time has never existed (time is infinite) the only thing that existed was nothingness. then out of this nothingness a bang happened (no idea how).

out of this bang is what we see as our universe.

when a massive star dies a black hole "happens" and it collapses in on itself. physics has "proven" that a black hole is absolute nothingness. but around the ring of a black hole anything that is sucked up into it remains a mirror images floating around the outside even though that same matter passed into it.

so in a black hole everything is so compressed that even light cannot escape its gravitational pull.

here is my theory:

the universe and all dimensions started with 1 bang, and each universe/dimension is eventually sucked in back on itself. ie black holes. on the other "side" of these black holes is just a "new" big bang exploding out into this infinite nothingness on top of itself. (but it is not new at all it is just a mirror image of the first bang)

so what i believe is you do die, BUT after everything in our known dimension/universes collapses in on itself we are just re born again once the "new universe/dimension" expands out.

so everything is just an image of itself starting and stopping all over again forever and ever.

that is why you get deja vu, it is because you have done it before. millions trillions of times. we our collectively our own imagination looking in on ourselves over and over again.

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05-27-2010, 08:25 AM

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05-27-2010, 08:25 AM

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05-27-2010, 08:28 AM

Somewhat buddhist.... somewhat taoist.....
but yeah, that's the general jist of it. Everything we do, we have done billions of times before. Kind of like the Matrix. (although they were only on their 6th turnover).

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05-27-2010, 08:28 AM

Originally posted by DLXphil

mind = blown

i just came up with this so it is a little choppy, wanted to get my thoughts down, any ideas comments? im actually interested in what people think.

i know GFY has some actually good physics people.

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05-27-2010, 08:30 AM

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

Somewhat buddhist.... somewhat taoist.....
but yeah, that's the general jist of it. Everything we do, we have done billions of times before. Kind of like the Matrix. (although they were only on their 6th turnover).

but i do not believe in re incarnation than. because the universe is just re born on top of itself and you have to wait for it to expand out until you are once again reborn as yourself.

i believe a black hole is like a 2 way mirror that reflects on itself into expanding into more nothingness.

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05-27-2010, 08:32 AM

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05-27-2010, 08:32 AM

Some more theoretical fun for you...

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05-27-2010, 08:32 AM

That explains eternity. Who knows.

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05-27-2010, 08:33 AM

i think of it as the GFY background:
http://www.gfy.com/skins/gfy/skin/bg_org.gif

as a single image it appears as one, but when you view it on your screen as a background it is just repeating over top of itself infinite forever if your screen was 1 trillion inches wide it would repeat on 1 trillion pixels wide.

now what if the screen was infinite than the background would repeat forever. just like our universe.

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i have done tons of reading on string and M theory i am no expert. im sure this theory has been said before. i am just tying it in on my beliefs about life and death.

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05-27-2010, 08:36 AM

Originally posted by MetaMan

but i do not believe in re incarnation than. because the universe is just re born on top of itself and you have to wait for it to expand out until you are once again reborn as yourself.

i believe a black hole is like a 2 way mirror that reflects on itself into expanding into more nothingness.

I'm not a believer of reincarnation either. But I do take the physicist's view that nothing in the universe is every truly destroyed, just transformed into something else. Everything comes from star dust. Every particle, element, atom.... the works, comes from exploding stars and is remade into everything else.

I have (i guess it's a poster) a poster (didn't I just say that?) in a frame under glass that is a representation of the Universe. It's amazing because it shows cross sections and super clusters and ever-expanding views. We like to think we are the most important thing in the universe, but looking at this print is quite humbling. We are truly nothing, and nothing we do makes any damn difference to the rest of the universe.

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05-27-2010, 08:40 AM

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

I'm not a believer of reincarnation either. But I do take the physicist's view that nothing in the universe is every truly destroyed, just transformed into something else. Everything comes from star dust. Every particle, element, atom.... the works, comes from exploding stars and is remade into everything else.

I have (i guess it's a poster) a poster (didn't I just say that?) in a frame under glass that is a representation of the Universe. It's amazing because it shows cross sections and super clusters and ever-expanding views. We like to think we are the most important thing in the universe, but looking at this print is quite humbling. We are truly nothing, and nothing we do makes any damn difference to the rest of the universe.

i fully believe nothing is ever destroyed, what happens to that energy hell i have no idea. but even being able to question the fabric of space and time is good enough for me. it amazes me that as humans that we can grasp such concepts.

humans think they are hot shit but we in reality know nothing.
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05-27-2010, 08:42 AM

Originally posted by MetaMan

i fully believe nothing is ever destroyed, what happens to that energy hell i have no idea. but even being able to question the fabric of space and time is good enough for me. it amazes me that as humans that we can grasp such concepts.

humans think they are hot shit but we in reality know nothing.

Even if we launched every nuke on the planet all at once and turned the Earth into a smoking cinder.... the rest of the universe would not even notice.

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05-27-2010, 08:44 AM

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05-27-2010, 08:45 AM

I believe in a creator.

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05-27-2010, 08:45 AM

Originally posted by J. Falcon

I believe in a creator.

me to fully.

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Even if we launched every nuke on the planet all at once and turned the Earth into a smoking cinder.... the rest of the universe would not even notice.

agreed.

than the question becomes do you have a chance to change our own reality?

and i do believe so.

i think people like religious leaders fully understand understand that the future is not entirely written. there is still chance involved. reality becomes what peoples minds are shaped to "understand". if you can control peoples reality you can control the future.
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05-27-2010, 08:52 AM

Originally posted by J. Falcon

I believe in a creator.

I'm still unable to sign on to the idea of a creator. If there was / is one, we certainly must mean nothing to 'it'. We are most likely no more important to the creator than the swamp rat or the cockroach, otherwise why wouldn't a creator make itself known to us? So, I'm stuck between, either there is no creator, or the creator views us as just more plasma in a lab experiment.

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05-27-2010, 08:55 AM

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

I'm still unable to sign on to the idea of a creator. If there was / is one, we certainly must mean nothing to 'it'. We are most likely no more important to the creator than the swamp rat or the cockroach, otherwise why wouldn't a creator make itself known to us? So, I'm stuck between, either there is no creator, or the creator views us as just more plasma in a lab experiment.

I was just kidding. The idea of a creator is simply ridiculous.

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05-27-2010, 09:00 AM

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

I'm still unable to sign on to the idea of a creator. If there was / is one, we certainly must mean nothing to 'it'. We are most likely no more important to the creator than the swamp rat or the cockroach, otherwise why wouldn't a creator make itself known to us? So, I'm stuck between, either there is no creator, or the creator views us as just more plasma in a lab experiment.

i believe in free will, free will was the gift, we as humans are capable of pure good but we choose evil. that is our own fault not any creators.

if we looked into ourselves and for once saw what we are truly capable of the world would be a much better place.

i dont not view a creator in a religious sense, a creator is everything as one. like a puzzle with lots of pieces but it is just 1 big image. that big image is the creator.

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05-27-2010, 09:18 AM

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I came in here full on expecting you to say the universe revolves around your massive love cannon.

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05-27-2010, 09:20 AM

Originally posted by MetaMan

i think people like religious leaders fully understand understand that the future is not entirely written. there is still chance involved. reality becomes what peoples minds are shaped to "understand". if you can control peoples reality you can control the future.

There's no money in religion.

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05-27-2010, 10:00 AM

i think or know, or realize or fantasize...

matter is just dense vibrations of structurally attracted particles of energy
reality is a dynamic holographic projection of energy vibrations where everything is interconnected - hence you can have effect on reality just like reality effects one's self in inseparable ways.

i think once we know what is and how consciousness works we may understand better a paradox of big boom. quantum level is very exiting.

ultimately I think mind over matter, the proof is - bunch of atoms grouped and chat on message board thinking they are "I"s

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05-27-2010, 10:01 AM

Bla bla bla.. who cares... God saves and the baby Jesus punishes... who gives a rip? Is your life changing because of your knowledge? As far as money in religion... I'm starting a cult so I can get rich bitch....
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05-27-2010, 10:09 AM

Originally posted by Catalyst

Bla bla bla.. who cares... God saves and the baby Jesus punishes... who gives a rip? Is your life changing because of your knowledge? As far as money in religion... I'm starting a cult so I can get rich bitch....

who gives a rip? obviously billions of people worldwide, and obviously you for making a lame attempt at humor in a thread where adults are talking.

actually yes it has changed my life, the more i am ok with understanding what i really am the more i am open to the things around me.

where does this thread mention Jesus or money or religion? did you even read it? nope.

using someone elses' "im rich bich" joke is humorous to you?

you are a complete idiot.

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i think or know, or realize or fantasize...

matter is just dense vibrations of structurally attracted particles of energy
reality is a dynamic holographic projection of energy vibrations where everything is interconnected - hence you can have effect on reality just like reality effects one's self in inseparable ways.

i think once we know what is and how consciousness works we may understand better a paradox of big boom. quantum level is very exiting.

ultimately I think mind over matter, the proof is - bunch of atoms grouped and chat on message board thinking they are "I"s

great post. full agreed.

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05-27-2010, 10:15 AM

Originally posted by DLXphil

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05-27-2010, 10:17 AM

Originally posted by J. Falcon

I was just kidding. The idea of a creator is simply ridiculous.

Here's an interesting thought.... what if there was a creator that whipped all this shit up initially, but the creator died quietly a few billion years ago and we just don't know it, and now all this shit is running wild & out of control on it's own with no supervision.

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05-27-2010, 10:24 AM

Meta, if you wanna see a movie that will twist your brain, check out "The Nines". It's an indie film with Ryan Reynolds from a few years ago. In it, he is but one of many "creators" and is able to remake or destroy the world (our reality) just by thinking about it. In the end, the "others" like him help him to see that it's time to put silly indulgences like this (our reality) away and return home. (not the full end, so not a total spoiler).

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05-27-2010, 10:39 AM

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

I'm still unable to sign on to the idea of a creator. If there was / is one, we certainly must mean nothing to 'it'. We are most likely no more important to the creator than the swamp rat or the cockroach, otherwise why wouldn't a creator make itself known to us? So, I'm stuck between, either there is no creator, or the creator views us as just more plasma in a lab experiment.

something ignited a big boom out of nothing, maybe it was some sort of enlightened self realization of some soft of universal consciousness on a super microscopic level (don't think of it as a human mind) where we are all part of its stable for now "fantasy" or realization of its internal potential, thinking it is our reality and our consciousness is separate from rest of universe but maybe in reality we all share one same consciousness on individual level masked in layer of Ego making us feel like unique characters in this world?

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05-27-2010, 10:44 AM

Originally posted by J. Falcon

I believe in a creator.

After reading Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins books, I have come to the conclusion that there is no god or gods or a creator.

Enjoy the life you have right now...

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05-27-2010, 10:46 AM

Originally posted by TheSenator

After reading Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins books, I have come to the conclusion that there is no god or gods or a creator.

Enjoy the life you have right now...

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Richard Dawkins is great. Check out Matthew Alper, "The God Part Of The Brain". Great read. That and the Tao Te Ching convinced me there is no god.

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05-27-2010, 10:47 AM

On the religious angle, even if God exits, he would be so irrelevant to your petty existance it would be ludicrious to care one way or the other. No one can convince me that any one religion ever got it right.

On the scientiific angle, there isn't any. Your theory is worse than the ones I've read in most bad sci fi novels.

On the other hand. Nothing is stopping you from making a meta-physics religious website and raping all these idiots that want to believe in ryhme and reason. I mean shit sounds way better than scientology if I only had two choices

scientology is much better monetized though so you have to find a good profit angle
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05-27-2010, 11:00 AM

omg please dont turn this into a God thread.

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05-27-2010, 11:03 AM

But the universe is still expanding, in fact the expansion is accelerating. So unless it stops accelerating and starts decelerating on its own it's not going to implode on itself.

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05-27-2010, 11:04 AM

so if you are bad luck, you will die early and die early million times and nothing will be changed

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05-27-2010, 11:05 AM

Well, it's certainly not a science thread. It's water down bullshit without any actual details that could even execute a good story and there's not data or math to back anything up.

I might not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but I'm a hell of a lot smarter than to think I figured out the universe, or even that it would matter if I did.

Like I said, turn it into some money and go the Scientology route. Who cares what anyone thinks about the universe unless you're writing a book or screenplay?
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05-27-2010, 11:06 AM

Originally posted by Choker

But the universe is still expanding, in fact the expansion is accelerating. So unless it stops accelerating and starts decelerating on its own it's not going to implode on itself.

You know what always blows my mind about that.... what is the universe expanding in? Meaning, if this represents our universe:

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and it is expanding, what is outside of it and what is it expanding within? What is outside of the universe?

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05-27-2010, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by smutnut

Well, it's certainly not a science thread. It's water down bullshit without any actual details that could even execute a good story and there's not data or math to back anything up.

I might not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but I'm a hell of a lot smarter than to think I figured out the universe, or even that it would matter if I did.

Like I said, turn it into some money and go the Scientology route. Who cares what anyone thinks about the universe unless you're writing a book or screenplay?

LOL dont take me so seriously.

it is a thread + thread title to provoke thought. that is all. i actually already know i dont have the capability of understanding as a human. but i feel one day we will.

did you expect me to start doing physics? i mean cmon loosen up.
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05-27-2010, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by smutnut

Who cares what anyone thinks about the universe unless you're writing a book or screenplay?

Most people. Money might make the world go round, but that's only here on Earth. Nowhere else does the dollar or the economy or screenplays or any of this other crap here mean anything.

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05-27-2010, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by Choker

But the universe is still expanding, in fact the expansion is accelerating. So unless it stops accelerating and starts decelerating on its own it's not going to implode on itself.

to continue accelerating do you not need energy behind that acceleration?

where does that energy come from? and is there a limit?
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05-27-2010, 11:12 AM

Originally posted by Choker

But the universe is still expanding, in fact the expansion is accelerating. So unless it stops accelerating and starts decelerating on its own it's not going to implode on itself.

Maybe it's going to suck back in again like after a nuclear bomb goes off.

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05-27-2010, 11:13 AM

I love some of you wanabes who always act like "i am far to intelligent to participate in this conversation" but than you have nothing to say. if you are so intelligent you should be disproving everything without even hesitating and save all of us mortals the time.
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05-27-2010, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by MetaMan

omg please dont turn this into a God thread.

i shall return worktime!

It comes with the territory when you start talking about reincarnation and creation. Though you approached it with a scientific theory does not change the fact that all to many will make such a theory a proof or lack of proof in god thread.

Check out Franz Bardon interesting stuff. Also black hole theory like you explained is often played out in chaos theory multiverse scenarios.

As for the god stuff brought up here. I will leave that to others as my theories are still in a flux.

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05-27-2010, 11:13 AM

whatever gets you through the night and this life. it's all very interesting and as a species we should never stop trying to learn more but a thousand years from now people will still be pretty much in the dark, more knowledge will just begat more theories.

the truth most people want is the one that makes them feel the best and least fearful - the root of all religion in my opinion.

i like the Mark Twain quote.

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05-27-2010, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by ottopottomouse

Maybe it's going to suck back in again like after a nuclear bomb goes off.

That's a real theory, and it's called the Big Crunch. An alternate theory is the Big Freeze, where the universe slowly stops expanding and then freezes solid forever.

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05-27-2010, 11:15 AM

Originally posted by MetaMan

I love some of you wanabes who always act like "i am far to intelligent to participate in this conversation" but than you have nothing to say. if you are so intelligent you should be disproving everything without even hesitating and save all of us mortals the time.

Yes, the GFY geniuses should put Michio Kaku out of a job and spare him all that wasted effort.

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05-27-2010, 11:18 AM

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It comes with the territory when you start talking about reincarnation and creation. Though you approached it with a scientific theory does not change the fact that all to many will make such a theory a proof or lack of proof in god thread.

Check out Franz Bardon interesting stuff. Also black hole theory like you explained is often played out in chaos theory multiverse scenarios.

As for the god stuff brought up here. I will leave that to others as my theories are still in a flux.

well i could have guffed at the people talking about it. i just dont want to stray the thread. my original post says "no idea how" for that reason.

i like reading on these things so i will def check it out.

Originally posted by Mutt

whatever gets you through the night and this life. it's all very interesting and as a species we should never stop trying to learn more but a thousand years from now people will still be pretty much in the dark, more knowledge will just begat more theories.

the truth most people want is the one that makes them feel the best and least fearful - the root of all religion in my opinion.

i like the Mark Twain quote.

maybe you answered your own statement, infinity is the answer. everything is possible.
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05-27-2010, 11:18 AM

Originally posted by MetaMan

to continue accelerating do you not need energy behind that acceleration?

where does that energy come from? and is there a limit?

Well nobody knows for sure why it is still accelrating but most likely gravity from a unkown source. Gravity is not logical, it should be many times stronger than it actually is. Many theories are around about why gravity is so weak compared to the other forces in the universe, among them that other dimensions dillute gravity's strength

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05-27-2010, 11:22 AM

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

Yes, the GFY geniuses should put Michio Kaku out of a job and spare him all that wasted effort.

"im far to intelligent for this conversation".... "do you have anything to add".... "no"

ive seen this guy alot. i love his speeches and views.

Originally posted by Choker

Well nobody knows for sure why it is still accelrating but most likely gravity from a unkown source. Gravity is not logical, it should be many times stronger than it actually is. Many theories are around about why gravity is so weak compared to the other forces in the universe, among them that other dimensions dillute gravity's strength

yeppa that is what they are trying to do with CERN, try to get a graviton and have it pass through another dimension.
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05-27-2010, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

You know what always blows my mind about that.... what is the universe expanding in? Meaning, if this represents our universe:

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and it is expanding, what is outside of it and what is it expanding within? What is outside of the universe?

Thats whats really hard to wrap your brain around. The universe is all there is and it expands itself and there is nothing outside of it. What's realy hard to think about is the distance between galaxies. The universe is not a big sphere nor is it a box, it's shape depends on where you are in it and what you are viewing. And gravity is not caused by a objects mass, it's not two objects pulling on each other. It's the warping of space the two objects create by their mass.

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05-27-2010, 11:24 AM

It's really all about our perspective on things. Think about this... if you stand up a 4'x8' sheet of plexiglass in front of a bunch of ants, they don't know it's a sheet of plexiglass from Home Depot. To them it is just some magical impenetrable "force field". But if you enlarge that ant to human size, after he eats you he will discover, as he's wiping his mandibles, that it was only a sheet of plastic. Perspective.

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