No...you don't even know if any of them watched it. Which was her point.

You are most certainly within your rights to backup and copy any digital media you purchase and own. I'm not worried about that. I'm curious to know how they plan to figure out the differences between different downloaders.

The movie only made 13 million at the box office because they didn't market it like a huge blockbuster simple as that.. it wasn't playing in every theatre, until maybe after the oscars, but even then it was just in a few theatres and showing 2 times a night.. when ironman 2 came out it was on 2 to 4 screens at every theatre in town starting a new screening every half an hour at least! Big time trailers, lots of good music...

Of course you can't do that with this kind of film, it is basically a war story shot in the style of a western. Dramas have been a tough sell for years now, especially ones without big names in it. I thought it was a fantastic movie but I don't think it has much appeal to women, and that is a huge market loss too. Some movies are just hard to market, no matter how good. Shawshank redemption made even less money than that originally and that is often touted as one of the best movies ever made so I have a hard time believing torrent sites killed any profits on this one.. Still lots of money to be made from dvd's and european markets anyway.

Maybe it was the subject reminding Americans of a war they would like to forget?

That's up to a court to decide. They seize the computer and the logs tell them when it was downloaded. Good luck paying the attorneys to get a verdict.

this is what i've been arguing all along. RIAA did not have the guns, Hollywood has the fucking ammo and they will get their pound of flesh guaranteed.

laws do change when you have the clout to change them, or at least get them enforced, and while i don't think individuals should be the ones getting sued and having to pay, something has got to happen to protect copyright and bolster the true idea of "fair use."

I did not download that movie yesterday but then realised that I had already seen it.

I believe he's referring to the ISP's customers, meaning people are going to be pissed once they find out their ISP gave our their personal information and will probably find an alternate internet provider.

Warner Bros is under fire for allegedly pirating another companies idea/software for tracking down illegal file sharers.

Ironic, don't ya think?

http://gizmodo.com/5549129/irony-war...ing-technology

True, but anyone with common sense could figure out one thing:
Obviously only ONE person downloaded the movie right? Doesn't matter if it was the kid, or the parent, or the husband or the wife or a buddy or whatever. Someone there downloaded "The Hurt Locker"

Now that is a real movie. Not a porn scene the you secretly jerk off to. And if there were 5 or 6 people in the house EVERYBODY is most likely to sit down and watch it together. So I say nail all of them!

If me and 5 buddies went to a theater and I picked the lock to the back door and all of us snuck in and watched the movie...guess what? We would ALL be arrested, not just me.

As far as the "It was the kid next door breaking into my wifi" ...yep, that's very possible.

And if something isn't done about pirate sites it's going to lead to a further erosion of our rights. It's NOT the producers fault if this happens. We would all be making our movies and doing our work and not bothering anybody. If new laws come in to play that take more of our rights away, it will be DIRECTLY the blame of sites like rapidshare and all the other greedy, lazy thieving fucks who have brought this on us.

Having said that..the "Kid next door did it" defense is going to lead to entire neighborhoods having their privacy invaded when computers within the range of a suspect's wifi start getting grabbed.

And it will be completely the fault of piracy for starting this shit in the first place. It won't surprise me to see pirate sites cause govt. to act to censor ALL free porn and really kill us. :(

Disagree with that. Everybodies taste in films is different.

Also i'm sure there are many households where the parents have zero understanding of the internet and the kids will be downloading all sorts of things they don't know about.

"Some ISPs track their customers by MAC address."
http://compnetworking.about.com/od/n...dressing_2.htm
even if an ISP doesn't track MAC addresses for security and internet connection authorization it doesn't mean they don't have access for this info and don't log it.
"The MAC address is an important element of computer networking. MAC addresses uniquely identify a computer (or a router) on the LAN. MAC is an essential component required for network protocols like TCP/IP to function."
They know about you bit more than you might realize. Its the same as your router may know/display MAC addresses of computers in your LAN.

Put gideon gallery on da case.

The movie was very good.

I remember downloading it from the net and going like "woah, this movie kicks ass... why isn't it in theaters?"

Yup, that pretty much sums up the plot.

This is how I understand it to work.

They send you a threatening letter telling you that they know you have illegally downloaded the movie and they offer you a flat settlement fee in order to avoid further legal action. If you choose not to pay them (or I assume you could contact them and offer an alternative settlement) they then might choose to take you to court over it.

If they sue there will be a hearing where you (the defendant) will ask for the case to be tossed out due to lack of evidence or simply because it wasn't you. They will put forth their evidence and the court will decide if the case should go forward. If the court decides there is adequate evidence against you then you can end up going to trail. They will try to prove your guilty and you will try to prove your innocence.

You are considered innocent until proven guilty because in a full trial they will still have the burden of proving that you did what they say you have done. Maybe they will be able to prove it, maybe they won't. You still have to defend yourself.

Here is the link to the story
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64B0AU20100512

In the story it says: After unmasking individuals who have illegally downloaded films, the U.S. Copyright Group then sends a modest settlement offer. Lawyers at the firm are seeing some returns on the first two lawsuits filed back in January. About 40% have settled, according to the U.S. Copyright Group. Those who haven't settled will be sent another round of settlement offers, and the group promises to eventually serve lawsuits on these individuals.

It was a good movie, but does not exactly have a mass appeal.
Somebody must be really pissed to sue so many filesharers.

Hollywood AKA the MPAA is not behind these lawsuits. It's just one group of ambulance chasers trying to sell their services as an alternative means of revenue to independent movie studios.

The problem with mass lawsuits like this that require the ISP's to scan through IP addresses is the man power needed to do it. To sum it up, it's not even feasible to sue so many people because of the work it would require to go through the IP address requests.(this is coming from the ISPs themselves)

Once that fact becomes more wide-known then their scare tactics will stop working so well and people will stop paying up front out of fear. Of course there will be some sacrificial lambs before they give up on suing everyone, but the odds are definitely in the favour of the pirates (7 million downloads of one movie compared to a handful of lawsuits)

With a company like Time-Warner, which is both the studio and the ISP, it would seem that they are in a much better position to coordinate such a lawsuit against illegal downloaders and uploaders of their content. If it's so easy to track down these people to get settlements, why hasn't Time-Warner stepped forward to sue or legally threaten hundreds of millions of people?

I had never heard of the movie when I posted..now just for the hell of it im tempted to watch it the weekend just to see if it sucks or not....