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"The American Civil Liberties Union and immigrants? rights groups have denounced Section 287(g) as an open invitation for local police to try to cleanse their communities of illegal immigrants under the pretext of enforcing minor infractions, like traffic violations."
Yeah, because ethnic cleansing worked out well in the past.SIG TOO BIGComment
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Cop was bad got reported and fired doesn't give "Illegal" alien a free pass. You ever watch cold case with bill curtis? They arrest murderers 30+ years after the crimes so how long you have gotten away with it don't mean shit. Legal immigrants sit on a list for years where illegals hop a fence or jump in a truck and stay under the radar for years. Why the thought of millions of people here undocumented sounds like a good idea to you I have no clue as they get jobs, free health care, free financial aid while using some random stolen social security number as I have seen it first hand. They protest downtown Chicago with 8,000+ people but the day will come when legals organize and protest with 100k+ to let them know they ain't shit, legal mexicans here don't even like illegals as they did things the right way instead of cheating. Having millions of people here illegally with zero documentation on file is a security risk so I have no sympathy for them. If shit is so bad in your home country then protest there and fix the homefront instead of sneaking into another country and whining like a bitch for handouts.Comment
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And the 911 call that was not acted on?
The false arrest?
Yeah, illegal immigration is a problem. I'm pretty sure I never said it wasn't. But there are provisions in place for guys like this. Illegal or not, no one should be punished for being a victim. Now that he's been identified, give him the provision and let him use the time to get himself legal. Don't just put him on a plane and throw him out over Tijuana. We'd like to keep the good people yes?SIG TOO BIGComment
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Show me one time I called a designer a pig.so you are saying if your designer was reffering to cops as pigs you wouldn't give him work, but if you are reffering to designers as pigs (you said it yourself, that you feel the same thing about designers) - somehow he should not give a fuck? some onesided ligic here
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Here's an idea... why not reform immigration with some incentive instead of threats. Maybe some program like, Turn in a corrupt pig, get an instant green card. Would keep things in check if nothing else.SIG TOO BIGComment
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Well even if a legal citizen is reporting a crime, calls the cops and gets caught doing something illegal (say with drugs, etc), they get arrested too.
My sister lives in East LA and gets pulled over and harrassed all the time for nonsense. They ask her what a white girl is doing in that part of town, like she is looking for drugs. TALK ABOUT RACIAL PROFILING lol
Once they even cuffed her husband, put him in the back of the car and turned the heater on all the way in the middle of summer while they searched her car. They are usually Mexican cops and speak all gangster. "where you from homie," and he tells them nowhere, he's not in a gang.Last edited by cherrylula; 05-26-2010, 10:47 AM.Comment
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He never called designers pigs...so you are saying if your designer was reffering to cops as pigs you wouldn't give him work, but if you are reffering to designers as pigs (you said it yourself, that you feel the same thing about designers) - somehow he should not give a fuck? some onesided ligic here
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so he just wants to cook us on a fire. Perfectly understandable. I'd like to roast a few bikers around here some days.Last edited by Amputate Your Head; 05-26-2010, 10:55 AM.SIG TOO BIGComment
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I might work that you could reward an illegal for something like that with citizenship or something. I'm still not for reform if it means amnesty myself, because how do you create amnesty and where do you draw the line, but getting it up the ass for doing something worthwhile isn't too cool and sends a bad message to look out for yourself first.Comment
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...and you base that on what, exactly? We have not truly enforced our immigration laws, on either the people entering illegally, or the companies that hire them.
If we actually enforce those laws, on both the people and the companies, and it STILL doesn't work, THEN I will agree with you.
Until that happens, I say you have no proof that "threats clearly do not work"
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I could see them looking the other way on this one as they wouldn't have found out he was illegal without the arrest which was unjustified. As far as keeping the good people they need to seal the border before they begin any type of reform as no sense dealing with it when the border can still be penetrated and the flow continues. I'm not sure how San Francisco is but in Chicago crooked politics and cops is how this city runs so the bad cop part of the story doesn't surprise me much as I'm used to the daily news here.
"What is illegal immigration doing to America?
Jobs that once provided a living wage for citizens and legal immigrants have become jobs that "Americans don't want" because illegal aliens provide cheap labor for greedy, unethical employers. Our education, health care, and social services systems are buried under the weight of providing for the flood of illegal aliens who use these services at a disproportionately high rate compared to the amount they contribute. Our criminal justice systems are overflowing with cases of crimes committed by illegal aliens, while cities with so-called sanctuary policies (like Chicago) mandate a lack of cooperation with federal law enforcement agencies with regards to those who are in the country illegally.
American citizens and those who honor this country by immigrating legally deserve better -- much better -- and the time has come to stand up, speak out, and demand it from our government."
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Might have worked out better for everyone if he'd just shot the cop instead.--
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Here is a headline today that supports what I already said, and for another reason altogether:
Police fear Ariz. law will boost crime
Arizona's new immigration law and similar proposals in other states would lead to an increase in crime, some police chiefs from around the country told Attorney General Eric Holder in an hourlong meeting Wednesday.
The chiefs told the attorney general that having to determine whether a person is in the United States illegally will break down the trust that police have built in communities and will divert law enforcement resources away from fighting crime.
If that happens, "we will be unable to do our jobs," said Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck. "Laws like this will actually increase crime, not decrease crime."
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but then, us designers are just crazy.
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The Arizona police themselves are against this nonsense.
Tucson Police Chief Roberto Villasenor said the requirements of the new law are so burdensome that "we doubt the federal government can even handle the numbers of people we will bring to them" on immigration status.
The new law "puts Arizona law enforcement right in the middle" at a time when police budgets are already in crisis, said John Harris, president of the Arizona Association of Chiefs of Police.SIG TOO BIGComment
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So my next question is, if the AZ police are even against this, and they are the ones that are supposed to enforce it (but probably won't since they are against it), what good does any of this do for anyone?SIG TOO BIGComment
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Here is a headline today that supports what I already said, and for another reason altogether:
Police fear Ariz. law will boost crime
Arizona's new immigration law and similar proposals in other states would lead to an increase in crime, some police chiefs from around the country told Attorney General Eric Holder in an hourlong meeting Wednesday.
The chiefs told the attorney general that having to determine whether a person is in the United States illegally will break down the trust that police have built in communities and will divert law enforcement resources away from fighting crime.
If that happens, "we will be unable to do our jobs," said Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck. "Laws like this will actually increase crime, not decrease crime."
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but then, us designers are just crazy.
saw that bit of news today. so the great law is backfiring in more ways than one.
its been a huge re-direction. economy goes sour, politicos say "hey look its them! they're the ones that took your jobs and sapped our resources." while they continue to line their pockets fueling the racist fire.
if they want to seal the borders fine, they should. maybe they should have thought about that 20 years ago when they had the money.
but really, enough of this sudden hispanic backlash crap.
have a look at the AZ gov. her inner lizard is showing.
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I think amp wants to send all the cops to Mexico and keep the illegal aliens hereCarbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
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You certainly have a lot more hate in you than I would've imagined dude. I'm not really sure what my profession has to do with any of this or why you feel the need to drag it through the mud along the way. I certainly haven't mentioned anything about your profession in here, unless of course you happen to be an actively employed policeman. However, even if that were the case, the story involved and the purpose of the thread in the first place include the actions of a corrupt cop and is quite relevant in the discussion. Bagging on "designers" or trying to use "designer" as some sort of slur just because you disagree with my view of cops is just childish. A "designer" didn't try to rape a woman from a position of absolute power & public trust. A fucking PIG did.SIG TOO BIGComment
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I don't know what you mean by 'he wouldn't have been there'... why wouldn't he have been there? This isn't a Schrödinger's cat situation.Originally posted by Jesus H ChristCome on Amp, you have to admit this reasoning is a bit flawed? ....... Meaning, if Abel Moreno was following the law and not here illegally then the crime could have never been committed because he would not have been there.
Example and true story:
My wife sucks at driving and had a rear-end collision. I thought the insurance would go up until I read that the girl my wife hit had a suspended license. Matter of fact, it was the opposite and could have sued the girl if we wanted. Why? If the girl was following the law she would have not been there for my wife to hit. Anyway, the insurance did not go up even though my wife was at fault.SIG TOO BIGComment
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Oh come on dude.Originally posted by Jesus H Christ
Seriously? And if he would've turned left out the driveway 7 years ago instead of going right.....SIG TOO BIGComment
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Thing is, him being there isn't a bad thing. It's a good thing. It resulted in a seriously disturbed cop getting pulled off the street. We should all be grateful. And now he must be punished for his reward.Originally posted by Jesus H Christya, a bit of a stretch...gave it my best
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You're right. You weren't quoting me or talking to me.
You preferred to make comments around me. So which is it? Is it designers that bother you, only "idiot" designers, or just me. I'm also curious why you chose this thread as your platform for comparing skin depth of designers and announcing pre-requisites for your patronage.
Maybe I'm just unlucky, but 90% of the cops I've had the displeasure of dealing with have been much less than professional. Most are downright psychopathic.
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He knows that being in the country illegally always carried a risk; it may have been low-risk before but it was still there that he could be deported at any time. One aspect of that risk is the fact cops or others may fuck with him knowing he will likely not report them.
For example, do you think it's NEVER happened before that an immigration officer discovered some latina was illegal and blackmailed her to either fuck him or he'd send her back? This stuff happened long before these new laws.
As for crime rising, that will happen, as illegals will both not be as afraid to commit them as well as not report them happening to them. However, that's short-term *IF* in fact millions eventually do get sent home. The ones causing crime and not reporting it will no longer exist in America (again, big *IF* enforced properly) and thus that crime will drop.
As for this guy being good in reporting a cop, you don't know the guy. What if he is in fact a criminal himself? What if he beats his GF at home? You can't judge him by the fact he stopped this incident.Skype variuscr - Email varius AT gmailComment
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All good points, except the last one. We can judge him, because if that dude had a history it would be the first thing in the headline. "WANTED ILLEGAL FELON CAUGHT" is what it would've said. I have no doubt they got this guy's history back to before he was born sitting in a nice thick file. Especially with a cop going down for it.SIG TOO BIGComment
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Actually Varius.... you are beginning to flip me on this one a bit.
How's this... Even if the dude is squeaky clean, he really didn't turn this cop in because he was trying to be a good citizen, it happened out of bad luck ending up in a situation. And I agree, he knew he was illegal and he knew there are risks... totally agree.
Should he get a free pass? I don't think so. But I do think he should be given an appropriate amount of time to be able to become legal. He's got a special circumstance, and after all, they've already gone through his history, job, details, etc... and they were victims of the worst kind of crime of all: Betraying the public trust. When the enforcers are the criminal, who do you turn to?
but anyhow... this is only one dude in a weird situation. We can talk about him forever and none of it applies to the masses anyway.
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I agree with him being given time to apply for the Witness Visa type and if granted, he would then have time to work towards a true Visa.Actually Varius.... you are beginning to flip me on this one a bit.
How's this... Even if the dude is squeaky clean, he really didn't turn this cop in because he was trying to be a good citizen, it happened out of bad luck ending up in a situation. And I agree, he knew he was illegal and he knew there are risks... totally agree.
Should he get a free pass? I don't think so. But I do think he should be given an appropriate amount of time to be able to become legal. He's got a special circumstance, and after all, they've already gone through his history, job, details, etc... and they were victims of the worst kind of crime of all: Betraying the public trust. When the enforcers are the criminal, who do you turn to?
but anyhow... this is only one dude in a weird situation. We can talk about him forever and none of it applies to the masses anyway.
I think of it this way: as a Canadian, I'm not legally allowed to live in the States. Now, as I'm caucasian, the chances of me being profiled are pretty low. However, all it takes is some tiny event to cause my deportation; for example, if I get in a fight at a bar, let's say it wasn't even my fault - cops may check my ID and realize I've overstayed my welcome and deport me, possibly even banning me from re-entering for a few years. Or it could be a car accident, or a million other things that would lead to my being found one and sent packing.
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What if was a ex-con that missed his parole visit and he called 911, give him a pass? Who chooses? Thats why we have laws.
It's not a perfect system, but it's all we got.Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
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Could it have anything to do with the fact that [by your own admission] you were pretty much psychopathic?Comment
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What if he was a mobster that committed 5 murders and he got like immunity because
he was turning in the other mobsters that committed 20 murders?
What is it that we normally might do over here?
Duh........I don't know.
So like a guy is violating a law that, except for Arizona 1070, a city cop can't even arrest for the
offense is now a massive threat to society since he turned in a rapist cop.
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Yeah? What was the common denominator when the police robbed my house? What was the common denominator when they came to my front door and demanded I prove that I own the house? Since when do police get to do these things?
What's the common denominator when the SWAT team shoots a little girl sleeping on a sofa? Or when they bust in and destroy the wrong house like they routinely do?
the same one that's in every other story every day in the news: The police.SIG TOO BIGComment
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I am not a fan of the police, but two wrongs do not make a right tootsie.
The people he reported were breaking the law. The dude reporting was breaking the law.
Whether one is a capital crime, and the other a petty crime, it does not matter to the coppers. They only care about law breakers regardless.Comment
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