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Easy there.
You can't expect a processor to know whether a client site is scraped or not.XBIZ™ | The Industry SourceComment
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Stupid thread.ICQ: 637//961--015Comment
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how is it netbilling's fault?
netbilling is just a gateway not even a processor
if anything it would be the bank that approved the site for visa/mc in the first place at fault hereComment
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i didn't say it was Netbilling's fault - not surprising since the average webmaster is working with a GED level education at best. your reading comprehension skills are on a par with your ethics and morals.
I asked Netbilling 'how does it feel to have your company connected/associated with the term CP in the adult press and mainstream press?'. And it's a fair and valid question. The lawsuit does exactly that.
Listen those of us in the teen and solo girl niche know far more about this dirty little secret called EX-GF than any of you know nothings. In fact I think I know who this girl actually is, I was shown her 2 years ago and googled and traced her myspace page - Orlando, Florida.
Ask any EX-GF site owner if they've ever been contacted by an underage girl or their parents about their photos or videos being online - they all have, those that say they haven't are lying or have hidden their contact information.
I have well over 10,000 ex-member emails from my teen solo site which is perfectly targeted towards EX-GF sites - I have upsells in my members area - for the last two years I could have make a little bundle cash sending that traffic to EX-GF sites with a click of a button. BUT I know what those sites are, I know how old many of the girls are - I don't do it. Because it's wrong and in the long run when the national media picks up on the EX-GF porn phenomena and what it's a code phrase for it's absolutely the stupidest move the porn industry has ever made.I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!Comment
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this coming from a guy who has made threads about reading 16 year old girls blog entries while scouting myspace for models
lols at you
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common sense
if it walks like a duck and sounds like a duck, shouldn't you at least check to make sure it's not a duck ?
These sites get approval from the processor first right ?, considering the content i would assume they ask for some sort of documents at random, so yes the processor should know if the content was scraped.
I would feel a tad uncomfortable ( to say the least ) processing for a site that can't verify its models aren't children regardless of what the law might say.hatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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I guess it's easy to look the other way when the money is good...common sense if it walks like a duck and sounds like a duck, shouldn't you at least check to make sure it's not a duck ?
These sites get approval from the processor first right ?, considering the content i would assume they ask for some sort of documents at random, so yes the processor should know if the content was scraped.
I would feel a tad uncomfortable ( to say the least ) processing for a site that can't verify its models aren't children regardless of what the law might say.
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By asking a biller you get a general idea rather than 1 site who will say blah blah, close and open up the same site on a different domain with another Cyprus Corp.
If Netbilling said 'This is terrible we do not want out company associated with these sort of allegations and will not process any exgf sites without a full check.'
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Netbilling is a GATEWAY. They don't actually process anything. A bank does. And when we got our merchant accounts the bank went through our sites with a fine tooth comb. Made us change any words they didn't like and even took photos of our office space. It was pretty intense.
Netbilling has nothing to do with any of that. It is the various merchant banks that we all depend on in this business. And for whatever reasons, they decided to process credit cards for those sites.
I'm no expert on foreign merchant banks because we are still at good old Humboldt right here in the US. But I don't think a US merchant bank would allow that stuff.
But anyway, Netbilling has nothing to do with what is on a website. It's the bank that approves or disapproves a merchant account.-Robbie
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My only guess would be general ignorance about how billing actually works. I wouldn't have known if we didn't have NATS and use cascading billing including our own merchant account with netbilling as the gateway. It's not really something that most people would have knowledge of or care to I suppose.
I'm guessing they just kept clicking on the "join" page and looked at each "biller" One of them shows up as "Netbilling" so they included them.
Pretty typical when attorneys that don't know how a business works try to figure it out. After all it would look like Netbilling is some kind of company like CC Bill at first glance to the "civilian" eye.-Robbie
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does netbilling not look at the site at all? they dont have any sort of approval process for the site?Comment
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CC Bill has their own merchant accounts and are indeed a 3rd party biller. Not a gateway in the sense that netbilling is only a gateway. YOU have to apply for and get a merchant account. Which was pretty hard to do for many years because of the money you needed to have and run through the account. So mostly companies that had those kind of sales could do it.
I have been told that over the last year it has become a lot easier to get a merchant account and you don't need to have the capital that we had to have when we did it.
But again, I'm no expert.
CC Bill does just what the merchant banks do. They give you an anal probe. Netbilling doesn't and can't. It's none of their business really. Hell, I don't like it when the bank asks me all these damn questions. It kinda pisses me off because I feel like it's none of their business. But it's the way it's done.-Robbie
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with all that said I still don't get how it's obviously possible to set up sites with stolen, underage content and no one seems to care (of the parties involved). And no one seems to be responsible either.
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Actually, here I think 'anal probe' is a little much, unless you have a real sensitive anus, Robbie. :D
What CCBill does is go over the site the first time you submit it. If they see any of the usual violations - beastiality, crushing a bug, whatever - they ask you to remove an image or a phrase (like 'virgin' or 'teen', I believe, plus others). Sometimes they blame it on Visa, sometimes not (Visa won't approve the site unless you remove blank).
But once you submit a site or two you get to know the deal and now they just approve in a day or two and rarely ask for changes. Once they approve the site they never look at it again and I asked why not once, when I was first submiting sites. The answer is obvious: millions of sites, who's going to police them?
Which is why, even IF Netbilling (or anyone) had THE most vigorous approval process there's no way a company could manually/visually/with a bot make sure a Webmaster didn't just insert the offending shit he took out until CCBill stopped looking. LOL (not my sites, for goodness sake!)
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no one cares because of the $
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No, I mean they actually gave me an anal probe.
But now that I think about it...I wonder why the two guys had baseball caps with "CC BILL" written in sharpie on them? And why did they insist on one guy taking pictures while the other guy was "probing" me? And then why did they switch places and start all over? And why did we all share a cigarette and snuggle afterwards?
Hmmmm.....-Robbie
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No, CC Bill is still in my cascade. And I use them exclusively for my VOD. We put the merchant account with netbilling as the gateway first in the cascade for the paysites because CC Bill charges an outrageous percentage for processing because they handle everything on their end. We make a lot more money by having netbilling up front with CC Bill and Epoch as backups.-Robbie
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This is exactly what I want to explore for my company. Not only for the benefits you mentioned but because it's the only way I can see that I can control my own billing more. CCBill and Epoch are great companies but I know they must be...ahem, how can I put this? Taking their foot on-and-off the gas pedal, so to speak. Or perhaps it's their merch banks doing so (a more likely culprit). But I also assume that Epoch etc have what YOU must have: some control over the scrub rate, the put-through ratio, the fraud detection, etc etc etc. So, if they do, then it's reasonable to assume there are times when they ARE touching these aspects of billing. So why let them have that control and not me?
Of course, convenience goes a long way, and many affiliates will ONLY promote CCBill sites, so it's a trade-off, i guess. Or I suppose it might be possible to setup "double processing choices" for affiliates: let them send their traffic to CCBill Join pages, if they prefer, or to NATS pages, if they prefer.Last edited by The Porn Nerd; 05-26-2010, 06:09 PM.My Affiliate Programs:
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damn, its like teen pussy rules the world or something according to how some guys act.Comment
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Epoch terminated my long standing account (and all rebills) because I refused to give them the IDs of two MILFs without covering up some private info so someone could not stalk them. I lost HUGE and had to close a program over the loss. Yet I see these GF sites flourishing with illegal content and some of them have girls who look like they are 13 years old, with the biggest names in the business hosting, billing and acting as a gateway for them. IMHO, you're all equally guilty.
So please, don't any of you tell me you can't ask for IDs for ANY model who looks to be too young. Epoch does. It should be your duty, as a company that works within this industry, to help keep things on the up and up.
EVERY host, billing company, gateway and webmaster knows most of these sites are using stolen content and there is a chance minors are on the sites. Yet everyone turns a blind eye. Why?
To say you don't support it is bullshit. Not only do you support it, but you profit from it. All of you. You're lying to yourself and the industry. Take some personal responsibly and ask for IDs of anyone you think looks young. Not only will you cut down on CP but you will also cut back on stolen content, another problem that no one else gives a shit about but has no problem profiting from.
If Epoch can do it, and they suck HUGE sweaty donkey balls, then the rest of you can do it. Take some personal responsibility for once and do the right thing. None of us need a court ruling to tell us what is right and wrong.Comment
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