scary :2 cents:

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That's very interesting that polishing boots would come up especially since
the BDU came into the military in the 1980.

BDU = Battle Dress Uniform.

BDU policy prohibited the polishing of boots or the ironing of the uniform
except when in garrison.

So, you claim that an officer violated military policy and told you to shine boots
in the desert even though the boot is a desert boot that can't be shined.

http://ooaz.com/gfy/desertboot.jpeg

If you claim that you put polish on those boots then you are either the biggest liar in
the world or the biggest idiot ever.

Give it up.

So tell us Lieutenant, did you ever get promoted? Did you ever go to war? Or did you sit in an air-conditioned office for a few years while you rewrote history?

Only lieutenants got the desert boots in '91 Iraq. The rest of us were wearing black issue boots, and yes... the butter bars violated policy and had us shining boots in the desert. they wanted us to look good while we dug their foxholes for them.

Feel free to go deny the Holocaust too if you want, that will not make me deny
the facts as presented to me by the United States Military in my training to become
an officer.

We lost Vietnam, get over it.

Alright I skewed my words there, but i was talking about explosive force.

But look genius, the devastation of a nuclear weapon is two-fold: the initial explosion and the radioactive fallout afterwards.
So no, dropping a one ton box of tnt out of a plane is no where near the equivalent.

I spent 12 years on active duty with the 82nd Airborne...engaged on three different fields of battle and I have attended Univerity and am a student of war...so I too know a little about the military and war. We lost Vietnam...not because we were defeated on the field of battle...but because of piss poor micro management by our civilian leaders...as Amp stated.

I give you credit on creative stories to cover your ass when you blew it by telling that lie
to begin with, but that's it.

See ya, I don't get any benefit out of trying to enlighten you.
You're insufferable.

The S Korean RoK Marines are some of the toughest bastards on the planet. I had the pleasure of cross training with them while I was in the USMC. They are a rough bunch. I've spent months in the jungle out there and the conditions are bruuuuutal.

I've seen enough war simulations about N Korea to know how we'd attack the country if it went down... the part that sucks is it's a lot of ground war...

It's not a lie...

"In the 1991 Gulf War, Iraqi soldiers nicknamed the Marines "Angels of Death". Another so-called term of endearment for Marines was "blackboots". This was due to supply shortages, leaving tan, desert boots unavailable to most Marine units. Haitians called Marines participating in relief operations "whitesleeves" because of the way they roll up the sleeves of their utility uniform, called "cammies" colloquially. In Somalia, they were referred to as "The Devils in black boots", due to their rapid deployment preventing them from acquiring desert boots."

ROFL! You're a riot dude. I knew butter bars were fucking dumb, but I am seriously doubting you were ever a lieutenant anywhere. And go read a fucking history book dumbass. It's not like this shit is a theory. Idiot. :1orglaugh

82nd Airborne.

OOOOHHH BRO!!!!!


Don't talk that shit unless you can back that up!!!

Back it up. Name the most famous street known to all soldiers who ever
served in the 82nd Airborne.

Every soldier knows the street, because almost every soldier went to that street.

Name it.

Or bullshit on you, you never served in the 82nd. No Way!

Lost, yes. Amp is just clarifying the why of it. And he's right. Had the US military not been so handcuffed over there that war would have turned out vastily different. For one thing, the VC died by the hundreds of thousands. 1.1 million total, according to the North Vietnamese gov't. The US? By comparison a mere 58 thousand and change. In the Vietnam airspace the kill ratios were staggeringly lopsided in favor of the US.

In this case "we lost" just doesn't quite say it. The fact is the other side had the numbers, the US had the equipment and training but operated on the whim of a group on polititians and a country that wasn't in support of the war. There's very little doubt that had the US gone whole hog in that war, well, it's no mystery what new outcome would have been.

"We lost" yes, but I think in this case the 'why' is an importan consideration. And TheKing is right, those vids you posted were of the S Vietnam military being defeated, not the US military, who had pulled out long before that. Had they not pulled out none of that would have happend, the war would have gone on indefinitely or until the US leaders (and people) decided to step it up and throw 100% of their military effort at it.

Second Lt. training sounds like a cake walk. Where do I sign up? Wouldn't mind that pension.

yes, thank you dude. It is important because "we" didn't lose anything. "We" straight up kicked ass, even with the handcuffs on. I feel like it's attitudes like sortie's that diminishes every single Nam vet. "We lost". Well, maybe so. But some of "us" did our jobs, and some of "us" didn't.

You said the Hiroshima bomb was a 1 ton bomb.

Where did you "skew" any words?
Claiming it was a 1 ton bomb and now we have 50 megaton bombs
makes no sense no matter how you slice it.

It was a 13-18 Kilo ton bomb!

The only way to possibly call it a 1 ton bomb is if you thought it weighed a ton.
I mean, 1 ton is 17,999 tons off the mark.

You fucked up, admit and improve.

What you think is history is nothing more than political garbage to make excuses
for the loss.

I've heard everything you claim before and it was all discredited by actual military
courses.

Westmoreland was to blame, politics were to blame etc... etc...

It's just excuses.

Excuses that nobody else in the entire world believes except Americans with
blind Tea Bagger mentality.

Speaking of countries having "the numbers", didn't I hear on the news that Iraq had like the 4th largest army in the world at the time of the gulf war(s)? Lots of personell, very little in the way of modern equipment, weapons, or training.

I'm with Sly, I too would take training and equipment over numbers any day. In this day and age Equipment and training are everything. Not sure how WWII got brought into it, just ONE of today's carriers could have anihilated the Pearl harbor attack force and wiped out the entire Japanese fleet. Then sailed to the Mediterranean and cleaned up the Nazis.

To those of you yakking on about how great Russia was in WWII you should really look up the term Lend-lease some time. Russia had the numbers but lacked the materials to fight the kind of war they needed to. The US sent over millions of dollars worth of munitions and materials via this program.

Everyone talks about what the Russians did, yet incredibly and invariably they leave this little detail out of the conversation.

You're out of your mind.

You sound just like a boot lieutenant :P "My military courses told me so!"

Yes, Iraq had a massive military pre-Gulf.

sortie, I just have to know... do you also consider the "why" details of Pearl Harbor to be irrelevant?

Google is also your friend;)
Skewed: Distorted or biased in meaning or effect.

But you are right, the way i said it was wrong.

Not as big as I thought...

545,000 (100,000 in Kuwait)+
649 fighters
4,500 tanks (Chinese Type-59s, Type-69s, & self produced T-55 T-62, about 200 Soviet Union T-72M's Asad Babil)[5]

Still fairly sizable. It was their 500,000 against the world's one million.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...mber_of_troops

Vietnam has 500,000. Syria has 300,000. Israel has under 200,000.

I would be more afraid of Israel.

Look bro, the Tet offensive, although not decisive for the Vietcong, showed clearly
the the Vietcong had infiltrated the south and were not contained as much as
previous believed.

It was a sign that the war was now in a futile stage because the enemy was now
everywhere.

That's when we launched a "last ditch effort" and killed a bunch of cong so we
could pull out looking good.

The equivalent of the "Iraqi Surge". "Hit them hard, show big force, then get the
fuck out looking as good as we can"; because we can kill them all but we still can't
get the kind of victory we need to make it all make sense.


Facing the truth is just something that my fellow Americans have a real hard time
doing no matter whether it's war, racism, stock market, housing etc..etc...

We are the most stubborn of minds to have ever assemble into a nation.

Peace out.

Shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I give the fuck up.

probably because they potentially have 7 million reservists lol

My take on N Korea,

If not for their nukes their "army of 1.2 million" would seem a lot less imposing. A lot less. Personnel are still important but these countries with large armies but little to no modern equipment aren't nearly as imposing as their numbers suggest. Today wars are won with planes, carriers, tomahawks, smart bombs, precision air strikes. In the past the boots hit the ground first. Nowadays when the boots hit the ground the war is already all but won.

N Korean leader is a psycho, plain and simple. But he's mostly a sabre rattler. Hopefully it doesn't come to anything more than that but if it does I have no doubt it would be a very grave mistake (for N Korea)....




Every time I view that vid I can't help saying: FuuUUUuuucKKKKkkkkk :D


1.2 million ill-equiped N Koreans (and quite a few of their civilians too I'm sure) would be in for a shit-storm sized world of hurt.

I assume that you are referring to Gillespie Street and the infamous "combat alley"...which no longer exits. The city fathers cleaned up "combat alley" as well as Hay Street.

The Tet Offensive took place in '68...and was a major defeat for the North...and was over with in a couple of months or less...so we could "then get the fuck out" five years later. Good SITREP there Lt.

They got napalmed by the thousands. They had little to no equipment versus the US forces who by comparisson had vertually ALL the equipment -- planes, choppers, fighters, massive air transports. The US forces were a quarter the size yet held all the aces, and the casualty numbers reflected that.

The point is there was no "defeat" of the US forces, at least not in any real military sense.

No one's saying there wasn't a defeat of sorts, only trying to clarify it a little because as I said to you earlier, "we lost" in this case doesn't paint the whole picture. I'm not even sure why you chose to argue the point. There was a defeat, yes, but one born out of a withdrawal rather than a straight-up military defeat. The staggering losses on the VC side would indicate an incredibly one-sided fight in most people's books.


I can agree with that for the most part, although the political climate of the time of Vietnam was extremely volatile and played a significant role thus it really has to be considered when making such sweeping generalizations as "face it, we lost".


I can agree with that as well, but having stubborn opinions isn't something native only to the USA.

Me, I'm just making conversation.:pimp

LOL :1orglaugh you made my day man! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Man, people are so stupid. Someone is going to push the big red button soon...

Don't try to argue with a guy who's only education was (and still is) FOX News "school" :winkwink:

It is a fact that the U.S. made a decision to allow the Russians to take Berlin and the decision was made for multiple reasons.

Hope it doesnt go down.

That's a very-very stupid statement. The more stupid could be just a person who called it "a fact". I really don't even know how to comment that...

The USA were (an are) tooooooooooooo far away from Europe and it was very hard (actually it's very hard even now) to deliver enough forces (infantry, tanks, weapon, ammunition, fuel, food, backend infrastructure, and so on etc) over the sea to have a real fight.

P.S. You are playing computer games too much IMHO.

One reason being the Russians would never have cared anyway. They were all longing for junge mädchen.

Do you realize that if you're a one in a million kind of guy in China, that means there are 1500 people just like you?

It took you too long to give those answers, but I will give you the benefit of the
doubt on that one.

Fucking governer bulldozed hay street. :1orglaugh

I will not respond any further to such ignorance...thank you very much.