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10-21-2010, 06:43 AM

As posted on another forum for your pleasure.

Dear,

The PayPal User Agreement states that PayPal, at its sole discretion,
reserves the right to limit an account for any violation of the User
Agreement, including the Acceptable Use Policy. Under the Acceptable Use
Policy, PayPal may not be used to send or receive payments for certain
sexually oriented materials or services or for items that are considered
obscene.

Not really news, but apparently some still wanted to risk it. Bravo.

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10-21-2010, 06:46 AM

Really Paypal doesn't do adult? Who would have known? LOL

Been posted years ago everyone knows what people want to know about is B2B. Everyone knows Paypal doesn't take payments for porn, dummy.
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10-21-2010, 06:54 AM

Affiliate payments are not for sexually oriented materials. They are like paychecks.

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10-21-2010, 07:01 AM

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10-21-2010, 07:03 AM

Originally posted by stocktrader23

Affiliate payments are not for sexually oriented materials. They are like paychecks.

That is technically true, but would you be surprised at all to get a similar message from them for affiliate payouts from an adult site and in the end how are you going to fight it?
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10-21-2010, 07:03 AM

That was predictable...
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10-21-2010, 07:06 AM

Originally posted by sam_mrskincash

That is technically true, but would you be surprised at all to get a similar message from them for affiliate payouts from an adult site and in the end how are you going to fight it?

I don't know what you guys are reading into what BF posted but this is the same (actually lighter) TOS that they've had for years. Want to know what else they've done for years? Let adult programs make payments to their affiliates.

The people that got banned did stupid shit like send money from [email protected] or put PORN CONTENT in the description. If you use Paypal for 'payroll' you send a mass payment with 'affiliate commission' as the code and all will be well. Or it least it has been since forever now.

I would bet you money that BF got his account booted for selling his wares through Paypal at some point.

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10-21-2010, 07:12 AM

How does paypal know it's for adult stuff anyway? It's not like it says "XXX porn payout" in the subject? or comes from [email protected]?

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10-21-2010, 07:14 AM

Originally posted by CaptainHowdy

That was predictable...

Nothing happened, what did you predict exactly?

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10-21-2010, 07:16 AM

affiliate payouts are for services rendered in generating adult revenues, and therefore not able to be sent via paypal. go ahead get caught and see what happens.
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10-21-2010, 07:26 AM

Originally posted by stocktrader23

I would bet you money that BF got his account booted for selling his wares through Paypal at some point.

BF has a merchant account for his wares and processing.

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10-21-2010, 07:30 AM

Originally posted by Alprazolam

affiliate payouts are for services rendered in generating adult revenues, and therefore not able to be sent via paypal. go ahead get caught and see what happens.

There are more than a handful of programs that send with Paypal, I'm sure they are fucking aware.

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10-21-2010, 07:31 AM

Paypal process the biggest adult "sites" today: Filehosts

Adult and piracy.. thy can stick their AUP and moral up their own ass. In the end they process what they can get away with.

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10-21-2010, 07:32 AM

Originally posted by woj

How does paypal know it's for adult stuff anyway? It's not like it says "XXX porn payout" in the subject? or comes from [email protected]?

Some people aren't that intelligent. Affiliates will also use things like [email protected]

Duh. If you want to be paid via PayPal, be smart about it.

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10-21-2010, 07:35 AM

It only took me losing 3 accounts to figure that one out.
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10-21-2010, 07:50 AM

I like how they start the letter with "Dear, ".

However it's still somewhat vague to say "payments for certain sexually oriented materials or services" and "at its sole discretion" without mention about exact situation of affiliate payments.

Originally posted by woj

How does paypal know it's for adult stuff anyway? It's not like it says "XXX porn payout" in the subject? or comes from [email protected]?

So does this mean that several biggest sponsors are able to use paypal payments only because they are able to hide from paypal their true business? Although i can imagine it CAN work for years, to me that all sounds a bit shady and more unreliable than any of the new epass alternatives.

Still would be nice to know the full story about who exactly got the letter in OP and Why.

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10-21-2010, 07:56 AM

Originally posted by Hermes

I like how they start the letter with "Dear, ".

However it's still somewhat vague to say "payments for certain sexually oriented materials or services" and "at its sole discretion" without mention about exact situation of affiliate payments.

So does this mean that several biggest sponsors are able to use paypal payments only because they are able to hide from paypal their true business? Although i can imagine it CAN work for years, to me that all sounds a bit shady and more unreliable than any of the new epass alternatives.

Still would be nice to know the full story about who exactly got the letter in OP and Why.

Someone on another forum quoted the relevant part of the TOS from Paypal. If BF was trying to say someone answered an email like that he did a bad job of explaining it.

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10-21-2010, 08:05 AM

Originally posted by stocktrader23

Affiliate payments are not for sexually oriented materials. They are like paychecks.

Do you want to Risk that " Pay Check "?

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10-21-2010, 08:08 AM

Originally posted by sam_mrskincash

That is technically true, but would you be surprised at all to get a similar message from them for affiliate payouts from an adult site and in the end how are you going to fight it?

Again...for like the one millionth time. Unless the company sending the money or the person receiving have some fucking email address along the lines of [email protected] how the fuck are they gonna know?

At least a few of us here aren't total morons.

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10-21-2010, 08:10 AM

Originally posted by stocktrader23

Nothing happened, what did you predict exactly?

I predicted that nothing will happen... that's the only accurate prediction anyone can ever make!
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10-21-2010, 08:10 AM

Originally posted by Dirty Dane

Paypal process the biggest adult "sites" today: Filehosts

Adult and piracy.. thy can stick their AUP and moral up their own ass. In the end they process what they can get away with.

So true. They're pretty screwed with that.
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10-21-2010, 08:10 AM

so does paypal keep your money if they catch you doing adult stuff?

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10-21-2010, 08:14 AM

So in other words, it's ok and safe to break their rules if you don't get caught

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10-21-2010, 08:16 AM

soul cash used to pay me via paypals for years

when they were around

they paid me during the entire time that being attacked by the government

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10-21-2010, 08:21 AM

Originally posted by stocktrader23

Affiliate payments are not for sexually oriented materials. They are like paychecks.

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10-21-2010, 08:30 AM

it is risky, why use someplace you have to hide from to move your money

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10-21-2010, 08:32 AM

Originally posted by pornguy

Do you want to Risk that " Pay Check "?

I did for years, after I talked to Paypal and confirmed that it was perfectly OK. What I didn't want to do was risk it with Epassporte. Now, who made the fucked up decision in that scenario?

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10-21-2010, 08:33 AM

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10-21-2010, 08:35 AM

Originally posted by stocktrader23

Affiliate payments are not for sexually oriented materials. They are like paychecks.

Well, not to Paypal and that's all that matters.

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10-21-2010, 08:36 AM

IMHO Paypal is the safest risk... the only one I'm willing to take with a third party payment solution right now. Just use it wisely.

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10-21-2010, 08:36 AM

Originally posted by Phoenix

it is risky, why use someplace you have to hide from to move your money

use your bank...or a place like paxum

I don't know who started these rumors but you don't have to hide anything. The TOS has changed a bit over the years but affiliate payments have ALWAYS been ok. At some points in time certain adult products were OK too, just not paysites.

I had my account locked from idiots using fucked up email addresses before. Paypal asked me what I got the money for, I told them, I got my account right back. I think one of the problems is that so many shady ass people in adult get their accounts locked for unrelated stuff and this affects others they've sent / received money from.

It's not like Paypal keeps your money. Unless you stole it you get it all back even if you ignore their emails.

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10-21-2010, 08:46 AM

paypal and adult don't go together...

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10-21-2010, 08:48 AM

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10-21-2010, 08:50 AM

It's not about hiding what you do or doing anything shady in order to use their service. Paypal simply does not want their name or logo etc associated with anything adult. In other words they don't want their "Pay via Paypal" buttons showing up on an adult site's join page. They don't want to see any transactions that are visibly associated with adult either. Period. Which is understandible from a certain point of view.

But if your transactions and payment transfers are all just that, straight up p2p transfers/incomming payments with NO visible connection to adult then there's no more "risk" than using any such service.

Me, I've been doing work in this business for going on 13 years now, have been using paypal since their first year of operation, and I have yet to have a single problem with them. But then again I don't use email addresses in my paypal account that are associated with my adult domains, never have. I also make sure that before anyone sends me payment that they too have their head completely OUT of their ass and not using adult domain emails, and that they don't leave any indication in the transaction's description field that would indicate the payment is for anything or any service related to adult.

It's not about hiding, it's about adhering to their TOS. Just don't sell porn paraphinalia or porn menberships using paypal. Affiliate payments - I don't see the problem with those. Straight up p2p, nothing more. Don't agree? Then use some other payment method or a different sponsor and get on with it.

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10-21-2010, 09:35 AM

I've been paying affiliates via paypal for years. Even before I was with Swurve, while working for more hardcore adult dating properties.

There are things you can do to fly under the radar. It is possible, but my huge issue has always been it's not reliable. Paypal will never be an Epass replacement. Their system flags large dollar transfers, especially large dollars going from the US to overseas. I don't know where their line is drawn, but once you raise enough red flags they launch an investigation. During their investigation, which takes from a few days to a week, they lock the account and freeze the most recent funds sent, which can cause some webmasters paypal balances to go into the red as it locks their money as well.

I've never heard of them not releasing funds though. Every investigation I have been able to resolve. If you receive an email like the one posted above, it seems they would have to return the cash to one party or the other?

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10-21-2010, 10:14 AM

PayPal may not be used to send or receive payments for certain sexually oriented materials or services

This is very vague statement, one could interpret that it can mean also payments for advertising of pornsites, and not just selling access to those sites. They both are essentially same thing, selling porn, you can call affiliates as another "middlemen" ;) But if they don't specify what those "certain" materials and services are, it's up to individual's decicion, and I can imagine different workers at PayPal too might interpret that differently.

The fact that we still haven't seen any official reply from them, i mean something more specific than just copy/paste's of their terms, shows that it's still somewhat gray area.

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