His site sucks and he's retarded.
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John, I am launching ten sponsor listing/review sites this month.
In order to have NATS programs listed, please send me a check for $1500.00 by next Monday.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Or else.
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I'm shocked--just shocked... etc., etc., etc.Comment
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Anybody seeing that blacklist knows daizzzy is just on a personal crusade against anybody that:
A. Doesnt agree with him and speaks about it in public.
B. Doesnt pay the fee for her ridicilous reviews.
Its about time someone sends him a nice letter from the lawyers.. Btw. wtf does a dude call himself "daizzy"?Comment
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let me get this straight , you bought ad space from him , then when he asked you to buy more than a month at a time if using checks you thought you would be getting advertising space for free ?
You paid for a month, you got a month , from what i understand you didnt pay for 2 months , thus after a month he pulled the ad.
Seems pretty low to say "don't do business with daizzzy" simply because you didn't want to pay for more than a month at a time of adspace.hatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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this would rank as one of the lamest dramas on GFY.. cant we do better than this?I am not a megalomaniac.. I just rule the world
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John whens the next BBQ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Every day there is different drama around this person.
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he seems like a tool but his site is pretty good - NATS wouldn't have bought the ad if they didn't think the same. it's a useful site, yes there are plenty of others who've tried these sponsor directory sites - BossHawg had a great one - but most of them fall apart at some point because they must be a bitch to keep updated.I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!Comment
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well it's completely understandable that you might want to sling mud on someones face and then not answer any questions when confronted with the facts. Seems to me when that has happened in reverse with nats , you guys have shit a brick sideways.
So point me out where i am wrong , i will make it very simple.
Did you get the months adspace you paid for ?
When your ad was pulled , were you currently paying for it or was your payment LATE ?
Does nats offer its software for free to customers who dont pay you ?
Does nats pull licenses of customers who don't pay ?
Do you think it would be a fair statement to say "do not do business with TMM" if you pulled my license for refusing to pay ?
p.s. did you ever found out who hacked into the NATS admin and stole your customers data slowly without you noticing using one of your admins usernames ? was there a criminal investigation ? i am hoping there was because i'm pretty sure you must report all crimes to the police, and i would assume because the criminal stole data from many different nats sponsors, it would be a fairly large investigation. I realise these things take time , maybe they are still investigating , or maybe they are leaving you guys in the dark because it was one of your admins usernames that actually did the hacking ? an update would be coolhatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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As I've told you in the past I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you. You take one little piece that is factual then draw all of your own conclusions from that and insist that they are therefore true also. It's a waste of my time.well it's completely understandable that you might want to sling mud on someones face and then not answer any questions when confronted with the facts. Seems to me when that has happened in reverse with nats , you guys have shit a brick sideways.
So point me out where i am wrong , i will make it very simple.
Did you get the months adspace you paid for ?
When your ad was pulled , were you currently paying for it or was your payment LATE ?
Does nats offer its software for free to customers who dont pay you ?
Does nats pull licenses of customers who don't pay ?
Do you think it would be a fair statement to say "do not do business with TMM" if you pulled my license for refusing to pay ?
p.s. did you ever found out who hacked into the NATS admin and stole your customers data slowly without you noticing using one of your admins usernames ? was there a criminal investigation ? i am hoping there was because i'm pretty sure you must report all crimes to the police, and i would assume because the criminal stole data from many different nats sponsors, it would be a fairly large investigation. I realise these things take time , maybe they are still investigating , or maybe they are leaving you guys in the dark because it was one of your admins usernames that actually did the hacking ? an update would be coolComment
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I'm just reading all this from a distance, but your OP did make me ask myself *why* you even started this thread? I would have thought you were professional enough to chalk it down to a bad business decision and get on with it. Usually when threads like this are started it's either the thread starter is has a lower standing than the offender and wants to alert the masses to something wrong with a larger enterprise, or the two sides in question are of equal size and need to do a cock dual in public (you and oyster have done this in the past).
Just my in what is is perplexing in this whole shebang...
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The thread was started because he's basically trying to extort money from us and I think that's something people here should be aware of. It's really as simple as that.I'm just reading all this from a distance, but your OP did make me ask myself *why* you even started this thread? I would have thought you were professional enough to chalk it down to a bad business decision and get on with it. Usually when threads like this are started it's either the thread starter is has a lower standing than the offender and wants to alert the masses to something wrong with a larger enterprise, or the two sides in question are of equal size and need to do a cock dual in public (you and oyster have done this in the past).
Just my in what is is perplexing in this whole shebang...
Whether he makes a dollar a day or a million dollars a day has nothing to do with it, as it shouldn't.Last edited by TMM_John; 05-20-2010, 09:57 AM.Comment
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i made it very simple yes or no questions so as to avoid any confusion . I didn't insist on anything , i draw my conclusions on the facts presented to me as anyone does. You always seem to insist the facts are wrong but dont post anything to help anyone share that opinion.
Did you pay for and recieve one months adspace ?
by your own admission this seems to be the case.
Did your ad get pulled before or after you didn't pay ?
by your post it suggests your ad was pulled only after you didn't pay, something i would assume you would also do if one of your customers stopped paying.
Did nats get hacked ?
posted evidence on gfy suggests many sponsors did have information stolen by means of a hacked nats admin username, if this evidence is incorrect and your customers were lying then by all means tell us. If it is correct then a crime was committed and i assume you filed charges to protect your customers, an update on the criminal investigation to your customers and future customers would be nice. Was a third party investigation ever launched ? after all it was one of your admin usernames used to access the data right ?, how do you know an employee wasn't involved, a purely internal investigation seems rather silly when an internal account was used to steal data. If "joe" is stealing my customers mailboxes and i ask "joe" to investigate it , what do you think "joe" would say ?hatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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that is a pretty childish response john.
For the record , i am not out to "get you" , you always seem so defensive when asked anything. I think nats is a great piece of software, it always suprises me when the "voice" for nats conveys the opposite message the software does. You call others out then get angry when you are asked about the facts, like you didnt just come on a forum to discuss something and nobody has the right to ask you anything. If you don't want questions , don't start threads like this.
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I've answered plenty of people's questions. I'm just not bothering with you.that is a pretty childish response john.
For the record , i am not out to "get you" , you always seem so defensive when asked anything. I think nats is a great piece of software, it always suprises me when the "voice" for nats conveys the opposite message the software does. You call others out then get angry when you are asked about the facts, like you didnt just come on a forum to discuss something and nobody has the right to ask you anything. If you don't want questions , don't start threads like this.Comment
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My apologies if you explained how he tried to extort money from TMM in the thread, but I skipped over much of the posts, but the OP didn't deal with him trying to extort more money from you.
It's strange why Smokey brings up again the security breach at TMM, and equally strange why you tried to slam that toilet lid closed again. You know that I know that there was much sitting on that toilet before anything came out, or flushed as it were. But let sleeping turds lie I say.
However, I have nothing against your company or you neither - I love nats and it does me good business. I just don't like (well understand really) how you front that on the forums with your posts - this thread being one of them.
I've worked with many of the big guys, and seen many deals go titsup. I've never yet seen though anyone calling out the other for a tistup sour deal like you did in this thread.
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It wasn't a matter of a "deal going bad". It was just an ad buy which we were forced into if we wanted our clients listed. I dealt with that. It was the fact that when we decided to end it he indicated he'd be bashing us and he proceeded to do so. Basically, if we pay him he'll say good things about us, if we don't pay him he's going to say bad things about us. That's extortion plain and simple. That is where my issue lies. It has nothing to do with feeling fucked out of $150 or anything of the sort. That is just another example of people on GFY reading whatever they'd like into things and stating it as fact. It happens constantly around here.
The security issue isn't going to be discussed in detail publicly as there is still ongoing related litigation. The only thing I'll say is that yes, there was a security issue years ago (as I've said many times) and we've become a much better & stronger company as a result of it.
I'm not sure what you mean by fronting that on the forums. I speak my mind and the truth. Some people can't handle that and would rather have everything sugar coated. That's not how I do things. Some people simply prefer to tell everyone what they want to hear. I find it to be a horrible approach to things. We've gotten far more business as a result of it than we've lost.
I'm not going to let someone (even as insignificant in this industry as Daizzzy might be) tell us that if we pay him he'll say good things about us and if we don't he'll bash us every chance he gets and not do anything about it. That's why this thread is here.Comment
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I did business with Daizzzy and everything was fine for me - I had no problems. Good luck.Send me an email: [email protected]Comment
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Of course. I know you like to believe otherwise, but I don't do anything out of spite. Nor do I have any personal vendetta against you. Even if I did it wouldn't affect you using our software.
I just find arguing with you to be an absolute waste of time similar to arguing with someone about politics or religion. It doesn't matter what I say or how many questions I answer, you have your thoughts, theories, beliefs, and opinions, and they are not going to change.Comment
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furry muff - I wasn't reading those threads, so I had no idea of the backthreads on the issue.
I thought you won that at the end of April and it was finally closed (after the other party trying to appeal/lost)??? Is there more in you claiming damages? Good luck with that if so, cos I very much doubt the person has anything to cough up...The security issue isn't going to be discussed in detail publicly as there is still ongoing related litigation.
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I never realized he was so disliked.Comment
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"forced" into , it seems you agreed to it ..
by "dealt with it" you mean you agreed to advertise on his site. you werent forced into anything. and as a matter of fact are there nats programs listed there now? and before ? and are you currently an advertiser ?
seems to me you did the first bashing , although i could be mistaken
Do not do business with Daizzzy / SBD posted at 1 pm by you
Do not do business with TMM / NATS posted at 11 pm by daizzzy 10 hours later
IF he said that and you haven't posted anything to suggest he did say that, you AGREED to it, the only part you DIDN'T agree to was paying upfront for more than one month in advance.
I admit i am not a lawyer but it seems to me that theres no way in the world you wouldn't be able to tell your own clients if there was a "criminal investigation" launched and the results or progress of that criminal investigation, plain and simple. nor could it hamper any current litigation.hatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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He informed us, and admitted in his thread, that he told us in order to list them all we'd need to buy an ad on his site. We were "forced" into buying an ad in order to have all of our clients listed.
He posted over the top negative comments in the v4 upgrade thread about us 5 minutes after indicating to me on ICQ that he'd be showing us how it is now that we don't have an ad with him. This was before both threads were up and is what started things.
Again, this has nothing to do with the ad buy. As I said in my initial post, we paid for a month, we got a month. When we didn't like how he was conducting himself we decided to cancel the ad. After we canceled it he decided his opinion of our software was going to change and he was going to bash us since we were not paying him. That is what the issue is & this thread is about.
I don't discuss issues which relate to ongoing litigation. I'm not going to comment on it beyond what I've already said.Last edited by TMM_John; 05-20-2010, 11:46 AM.Comment
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And that for me is enough - I never even entered the V4 thread, so I was not privvy to info.
However, when litigation allows, I (and I think many others) would like an open statement as to the result of any criminal investigation into the nats break-in. Commenting on ongoing litigation is never a good idea, but litigation ends at some point. I'm sure though when time and circumstances permit, you'll make public the outcome of your investigation, as it was something that did affect a lot of people.
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seems silly to have a personal vendetta against me of all people. ( i.e. not on your radar and of no concern to you)
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