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mmcfadden 05-19-2010 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lazycash (Post 17154827)
So which new processor is going to be the lucky one to get your 5 sales a month?

you can decide not to listen to me... that is fine.

right now 282 recurring... it will drop

that is a good bit that recurs each month...

but...

I will not tolerate bullshit on the level that I have seen so...

mmcfadden 05-19-2010 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BV (Post 17154793)
i agree, but I didn't think we were talking about customer appreciation

i assumed we were taking about turning off a customer from buying

(thus putting the membership description below the JOIN button as pictured in the screenshot above.)

for those of you that are missing the point here

customers don't like recurring billing, period, so when you spell it out for them it has a tendency to turn off the customer from buying

(this is due to the fact that so many customers have been burned by sponsors in the past, made it nearly impossible to cancel, cross sells, etc etc...)

many of you were not around (or maybe never noticed) but back before VISA started the crackdown like in 03 or 04, these CCBill descriptors were very customizable, some people took advantage of them i suppose some didn't

none the less after the new VISA regs came out these descriptions were no longer customizable

before, CCBill required you to put your own rebilling disclaimer on before, i suppose people abused that and didn't do it or buried it at the bottom of their join page

after the regs changed is when these very detailed descriptions became built in so to speak into the ccbill script

this changed conversion rates drastically

for example:

before the regs you could just have: "3 day trial" with no asterisk and no "then 29.95 every 30 days" description etc etc

all you had to have was a disclaimer somewhere on your join page that said something like: "All trial memberships will rebill at 29.95 every 30 days"

and you could put this in very small font, basically anywhere

paul is oblivious to what u just wrote...

it's crazy that ccbill could likely see 3x profit if paul k was not involved

TheDA 05-19-2010 02:27 PM

This again :) It's been going on a while!

Lloyd_CCBill 05-19-2010 02:51 PM

Dear mmcfadden,

Thank you for posting your concerns regarding CCBill services. I am positive that CCBill can work with you to find a solution that you are satisfied with while remaining 100% compliant. One of CCBill’s most unique services is our dedication to supporting custom join forms and ensuring that integration with CCBill services is completed to your satisfaction. Please contact me directly and we will begin working together towards making your experience with CCBill a positive one.

Sincerely,

mmcfadden 05-19-2010 02:51 PM

bump... fuckin tired man

mmcfadden 05-19-2010 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lloyd_CCBill (Post 17155225)
Dear mmcfadden,

Thank you for posting your concerns regarding CCBill services. I am positive that CCBill can work with you to find a solution that you are satisfied with while remaining 100% compliant. One of CCBill?s most unique services is our dedication to supporting custom join forms and ensuring that integration with CCBill services is completed to your satisfaction. Please contact me directly and we will begin working together towards making your experience with CCBill a positive one.

Sincerely,

when paul gets fired and mark announces... then my friend I will recognize your sincerity

sortie 05-19-2010 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mmcfadden (Post 17154079)
It's a shame that one person can be put in charge of such a valuable asset!.............blah blah blah garbage

So says the guy who's poker site fucked up and asked me to look at it after
fucking me on the poker game job to begin with that led to me just giving
away games for free here(since I don't do games) : http://ooaz.com

That's what the poker game became after I accepted the job and after I was
90% through with it and asked for the content and didn't get it and didn't even really
have the job after "your rep"(the content dude) said it was a "solid deal".

Then after I looked at your problem for 12 hours and gave all my recommendations
and said "You can pay whatever for this it doesn't matter, here's my paypal".
You decided the amount to pay was zero.

No matter how much work I have done in the name of your enterprise I have yet
to ever get a single fucking penny from you.

You are a fucking idiot and this thread proves it far beyond anything you ever
jacked me off for.


In regards to this thread : :321GFY

Varius 05-19-2010 03:31 PM

Paul K. is always professional (like everyone at CCBill) and you talk like a crack head (at least in this thread). You are obviously not going to build support for your cause that way.

CCBill has rules, if you don't like their rules, you are free to use another processor. If you don't like your account manager, ask for a new one. You make it sound like they have a gun to your head.

Instead of complaining about it over, and over, why haven't you moved on yet? There are dozens of other companies who want your "100Ks" who will let you do exactly what you want with your join form; just make sure to choose one who will still be around in a few years.

If you do "100Ks" of business and your join form was actually broken for two weeks, you are an idiot. I would have switched links if it was down for even a few hours, let alone weeks.

:2 cents:

Shoplifter 05-19-2010 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mmcfadden (Post 17155237)
when paul gets fired and mark announces... then my friend I will recognize your sincerity


Paul and Mark have been nothing but sterling with me.

I can remember Mark calling me during the IPSP crisis in 2004 before I was even a CCBill customer.

I am sure that if there is a way that this can be resolved it will be. I mean if you can show them how it's worth their while to change things I am sure they will listen.

Varius 05-19-2010 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sortie (Post 17155542)
Then after I looked at your problem for 12 hours and gave all my recommendations and said "You can pay whatever for this it doesn't matter, here's my paypal". You decided the amount to pay was zero.

No matter how much work I have done in the name of your enterprise I have yet
to ever get a single fucking penny from you.

Hopefully you learned to charge people at least half up front, or per milestone, to not waste your time without compensation again in the future.

MaDalton 05-19-2010 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mmcfadden (Post 17155237)
when paul gets fired and mark announces...

i have my doubts that this will happen - especially since you are the only one that has a problem with Paul

BV 05-19-2010 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mmcfadden (Post 17154899)
paul is oblivious to what u just wrote...

it's crazy that ccbill could likely see 3x profit if paul k was not involved

it's really not up to Paul

it's VISA

and if they went back to the old way, before VISA cracked down, then CCBill (and everyone that used them) would end up in deep shit with VISA.

Get your own MA and see how long you can last doing it your way.

CCBill has allot of webmasters depending on them to keep things legit.

mmcfadden 05-19-2010 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sortie (Post 17155542)
So says the guy who's poker site fucked up and asked me to look at it after
fucking me on the poker game job to begin with that led to me just giving
away games for free here(since I don't do games) : http://ooaz.com

That's what the poker game became after I accepted the job and after I was
90% through with it and asked for the content and didn't get it and didn't even really
have the job after "your rep"(the content dude) said it was a "solid deal".

Then after I looked at your problem for 12 hours and gave all my recommendations
and said "You can pay whatever for this it doesn't matter, here's my paypal".
You decided the amount to pay was zero.

No matter how much work I have done in the name of your enterprise I have yet
to ever get a single fucking penny from you.

You are a fucking idiot and this thread proves it far beyond anything you ever
jacked me off for.


In regards to this thread : :321GFY

stop... cmon... your game sucked, didn't work and just quite simply sucked balls.

my problem was with paul,

i will say that it is a dead issue.

mmcfadden 05-19-2010 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BV (Post 17155951)
it's really not up to Paul

it's VISA

and if they went back to the old way, before VISA cracked down, then CCBill (and everyone that used them) would end up in deep shit with VISA.

Get your own MA and see how long you can last doing it your way.

CCBill has allot of webmasters depending on them to keep things legit.

i am fighting the fight for this man... you have always been supportive (i think we just think e to e) but this is money.

My join form will be changed tonight and maybe yours too...

Talked with ccbill and promised changes... I think you could do well from it as well

sortie 05-19-2010 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Varius (Post 17155704)
Hopefully you learned to charge people at least half up front, or per milestone, to not waste your time without compensation again in the future.

Yes, I have learned this.

The thing is that new people with very good ideas often need someone to give them
some "working space". In other words "they don't have the big cash yet".

I try to work with some of those people. And yes, many do fail completely.
But at least they can pay something and I understand their situation.

So I did that for him and he paid zero.

So he's on the zero list.

I only have two list :

1. People
2. Zeros


Naive people think they are going to continue to go forward in the biz without
programmers. They are idiots.

The gap is closing people. In a few years, none of the "amateurs" will be around..............
.....................
.....................
.....................
except for those that can get a programmer to put them in a position to
compete.


When people fuck their programmer they are only fucking themselves for the future.

The only thing dumber than fucking with the programmer is fucking with the billing company. :1orglaugh


(sorry for all the "F" words in my post, that's just the way I talk. Not proud of it, but it's the reality of how I came up).

sortie 05-19-2010 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mmcfadden (Post 17156004)
stop... cmon... your game sucked, didn't work and just quite simply sucked balls.

my problem was with paul,

i will say that it is a dead issue.

Oh really?

My game sucks?? Well, I totally agree because .......


My game is only based on your specs. :1orglaugh

You specs fucking sucked!
I did exactly what was asked. (I mean what your flunky asked, that you hid behind)

Here are your specs : "Hey, can you make a poker game with video sluts".

You got just that and I was waiting for content to make it more and whatever you thought needed done.

The reality is this bitch :

You didn't want to pay $3500.


End of fucking story!.

You got your shitty 3rd world programmer for $10 and hour and your shit didn't work.

Stop complaining.

You fucked yourself, and nobody else helped you do that.

:1orglaugh

sortie 05-19-2010 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mmcfadden (Post 17156092)
Yap yap yap with no payment. :1orglaugh

Hey, do you have paypal or epass?

paypal : [email protected]
epass : hulupu

You can still actually pay the fucking $3 you have in your bank and shut me up.

I mean, I didn't set a price. You can pay "whatever" and settle the debt.

I gave you that payment option.

So what's the problem?


Do you need me to loan you $3 so you can pay me $2? :1orglaugh

mmcfadden 05-19-2010 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sortie (Post 17156314)
Hey, do you have paypal or epass?

paypal : [email protected]
epass : hulupu

You can still actually pay the fucking $3 you have in your bank and shut me up.

I mean, I didn't set a price. You can pay "whatever" and settle the debt.

I gave you that payment option.

So what's the problem?


Do you need me to loan you $3 so you can pay me $2? :1orglaugh

wtf are u talking about?

if you want to argue let's go... I think your avatar is a hidden base for your secret gaming negro affiliate... you are not black nor white... you are a mix

btw... i nor my hommies purchased anything from you...

lighten up man

mmcfadden 05-19-2010 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BV (Post 17155951)
it's really not up to Paul

it's VISA

and if they went back to the old way, before VISA cracked down, then CCBill (and everyone that used them) would end up in deep shit with VISA.

Get your own MA and see how long you can last doing it your way.

CCBill has allot of webmasters depending on them to keep things legit.

this issue is done. yes it was up to paul, he fucked it and maybe he can do right by others. i had talks with ccbill which i think is stand up as a company and this issue is now resolved

trevesty 05-19-2010 05:29 PM

Paul K is great peoples in my book :2 cents:

Argos88 05-19-2010 05:31 PM

CCBILL ratio sucks lately..

just wondering what's going on..

FlexxAeon 05-19-2010 06:12 PM

so.... you added the word "recurring" or not?

mmcfadden 05-19-2010 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlexxAeon (Post 17156468)
so.... you added the word "recurring" or not?

I got someone who speaks my language on ICQ...

my problem lies with paul and that is the end...

everyone from ccbill other then him have been stand up and I wish I didn't have this thread... though it was the only way to get thru

sortie 05-19-2010 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mmcfadden (Post 17156328)
wtf are u talking about?

if you want to argue let's go... I think your avatar is a hidden base for your secret gaming negro affiliate... you are not black nor white... you are a mix

btw... i nor my hommies purchased anything from you...

lighten up man

Yo bro, what's with all the racial stuff?

Am I no longer black because I expect you to fucking pay for services? :1orglaugh


You are a cheap ass complaining loser; that has nothing to do with my race.

Your poker game is a piece of shit because you fucked over one of the few
action script programmers that would ever even surf this hell hole.

Go get your monkey-assed 3rd world code swipers who decompile my shit and sell it
to you as a product and ask them to fix your problems.

Pay me $3 and I'll shut up.

And yes it's true, I only say $3 because I know you only have $2 and can't pay it. :1orglaugh

If I thought you had $1499 in your bank I would have asked for $1500. :1orglaugh

I mean, why not pay for something?

What, you think you can order a new job with a fake nick?
You wouldn't be the first idiot that tried that. :1orglaugh


PS: Learn how to spell homies you dumb MoFo. :1orglaugh

mmcfadden 05-19-2010 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sortie (Post 17156535)
Yo bro, what's with all the racial stuff?

Am I no longer black because I expect you to fucking pay for services? :1orglaugh


You are a cheap ass complaining loser; that has nothing to do with my race.

Your poker game is a piece of shit because you fucked over one of the few
action script programmers that would ever even surf this hell hole.

Go get your monkey-assed 3rd world code swipers who decompile my shit and sell it
to you as a product and ask them to fix your problems.

Pay me $3 and I'll shut up.

And yes it's true, I only say $3 because I know you only have $2 and can't pay it. :1orglaugh

If I thought you had $1499 in your bank I would have asked for $1500. :1orglaugh

I mean, why not pay for something?

What, you think you can order a new job with a fake nick?
You wouldn't be the first idiot that tried that. :1orglaugh


PS: Learn how to spell homies you dumb MoFo. :1orglaugh

I live on homies...homie...

i don't know how else to explain this homie... you got the wrong guy.

i never ordered anything nor did my homies off of you... u are caught up in something that some doctors prescribe pills for.

shit homie... my girl takes pills too... i don't no what they are all i know is i like the small ones.

but please stop this fucking horseshit about 3 or 2 dollars... i have no fucking clue what u are talking about.

btw... ccbill did me right after this thread and i am grateful for that

sortie 05-19-2010 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mmcfadden (Post 17156562)
I live on homies...homie...

i don't know how else to explain this homie... you got the wrong guy.

i never ordered anything nor did my homies off of you... u are caught up in something that some doctors prescribe pills for.

shit homie... my girl takes pills too... i don't no what they are all i know is i like the small ones.

but please stop this fucking horseshit about 3 or 2 dollars... i have no fucking clue what u are talking about.

btw... ccbill did me right after this thread and i am grateful for that

Ok, you won me over.

I now see the light.

Can I borrow $3 motherfucker. :1orglaugh

Wait....wait......OK....$2.83

I'll take that.

"Bwahahahahahaha!".

fatfoo 05-19-2010 07:29 PM

Problems with ccbill? Good luck.


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