interesting conversation. yesterday on the Discovery Channel was a show about Nasa announcing possible life on Mars.

some interesting points were made about life in the Universe.

the chances of any form of life existing anywhere in the Universe are incredibly remote and basically so remote that they are even beyond calculation. People like Steven Hawkings insist that it is a mathematical certainty... others insist it is not.

however when you think about "life" existing somewhere, you must define "life". in what form? microbial, bacterial etc? To talk about UFO's coming here to suck your brain, you are talking about an EXTREMELY advanced form of life.

its almost impossible for their to be life anywhere. the chances of "life" existing that is technologically advanced enough to communicate outside of their planet, much less travel in space is a mathematical impossibility according to most. Humans have existed on earth for 10,000,000 to 20,000,000 years and only in the last 50 have we made it off the planet in a limited way.

there is an incredibly long string of almost impossible circumstances that have to happen for life to not only exist, but to evolve and survive on a planet before it is destroyed, the nearest stars burn out, its suck into another planet, hit by a massive asteroid, galaxies collide etc etc etc etc... the list of potential collamities that could destroy life on any planet is really long and on the cosmic timeline, more frequent than the amount of time it would take for any form of life to evolve to the point of coming here secretly to probe your butt... much less travel across galaxies and time

life only continues to exist on earth due to the innordinate and rare stability of the planet and our solar system. those conditions in the universe are also rare beyond calculation.

Yes these guys with technology way in advance of anything we can comprehend, travel 500 lights years to abduct a pig farmer or potato farmer in Ohio. Then who do they abduct, some hillbilly who can hardly spell his name.

Why don?t they come down, land on the White house lawn and bang some sense into G. bushes head?

Hang on they have a lot of clever stuff but nothing that clever.

YES thats so correct, there are 100's of scietists who will say that its 1 in 100,000,000,000,000, THATS ONLY ONE CHANCE In that number that humans evolved. But of course scientists say "Well were here aren't we, so yes it happens, now lets look at that evidence from a totally byass point of view and make up a story/theory/fairytale called evoloution."

The fact is that the scientific mathmaticial calulations show that its a total joke to believe we came from premoordial soup to today where we are exploring our own solar system. So yeah thats why they are saying its a mathmaticial joke to think that it ever happened again.

Sammy

it is true because an alien is fisting me right now.
he asks if he can come over to your place next.

what do you say?

There is also more to think about than just the technology. There is the money and the will to do it.

We cannot afford to send a man to the moon and probably if we all come together and pool resources we can get a man to Mars.

Which in terms of travelling across the universe, is like moving your arse on the sofa, when you're planning to walk around the world.

If there is life out there, and it is likely with just the sheer number of planets, why would they invest the time and money to take the third step when the first and second cost a fortune and bought nothing in return.

I just hope there not in vegas tonight.

I'm an alien human hybrid.

sure they exist, just ask MassiveCock

The one thing we do know is that these advanced life forms which make it all the way here have an anal fixation. We need to put our top scientists on this! Is there something to shit we have been overlooking all this time?

Life as we know it requires a very special set of circumstances. Astronomers have been working overtime trying to find similar planets relatively nearby, so far without much success. Our situation may be fairly unique, and while given the immense number of planets in the immense number of galaxies, there are almost certainly similar planets, all of them are likely to be much too far away for contact ever to occur.

A lot of people seem to think that since life occurred here, it must be fairly common, whereas in truth it seems that if life was going to occur anywhere, this was where it would occur. Likelihood anywhere else simply doesn't follow from that.

Of course, maybe there is life we don't even know about and may even never be aware of. Perhaps crystals are a life form.

Another probably fruitless approach is banking on "things about physics we don't know yet." I think most physicists will tell you they are not expecting anything earth-shattering. Today, we are mostly dotting the i's and crossing the t's. I actually heard a physicist say, "We seem to know about 99% of what there is to know."

New "discoveries" are very theoretical (e.g., superstring theory) and are may simply be new and productive ways of looking at things rather than actual facts.

I think we need to decide if we can actually give wholehearted thanks about what nuclear energy has brought upon us before we can decide if we want to pursue even more extreme discoveries into new technologies. We also might want to think about what kind of damage a culture with that sort of damage such a technology could do if those beings ever made it here.

yes, and possibly, though most "abductions" are the government abducting and running tests on people w/o consent or their knowledge.

Yes I was abducted in 1993 and taken to mars and back!


Fucked some alien bitches over there!

:thumbsup :thumbsup

I'd recognize Massivecock anywhere. How the hell ya doin'?

OK! :winkwink:

this is very interesting thread. the question is do they exist or not, it is hiliaruaous how many people take it personally, will they come here, or not, being abducted etc. what kind of interest you can have to anybody? - same as you would be interested in somebody else. if you think someone is after you to kill you, w/o any significat proof - what do you tell about yourself? sounds like incompetence, inconfedence..

another thing about aliens.. go on a trip do a dessert, spend couple of month there completely alone, during that time ask yourself are you completely alone in this world.
there is life everywhere and in everything, stone can look like lifeless object to you but its been here way before you - did someone put it there, yes, but only if someone placed you here. think about it.
when, if you get a chance spend time alone from other species fo your own nature you will talk to rock, sky, tree, you will talk with them so serious cuz only then you will know they hear ya.
aliens.. HA
speak of God, you think it's someone who is elsewhere, created this world and chilling elsewhere? God is part part of nature, its everything, everywhere, someone that goes by the name NOBODY and NOTHING, why? god doesn't need selfpromotion and praise..

another thing, do you think that everything you see around came from nowhere? w/o any consiousness?
and please define "aliens"? for me personally alien is someone who doesn't speak my language, with such definition i see many aliens around, and i think of common undestanding, not abduction and experiments...

of all living species, human race is most alien in term of what humans think about aliens (abducting, experiments, wars, enslavery, etc) look around.. on earth, only humans making experiments on anything they can lay eye on...
where is fear of war and abduction is coming from? i think from being such ourselves, and being weak before nature, how low.
GFY is a very good concept, still, so many to be enlightened - you think aliens will come fuck you? - GFY my responce ;)

I agree that people get all worked up over something that is so unlikely to happen in their lifetime (or ever) that it is silly. People are more likely have monkeys fly out of their butts than to ever see or get some sort of "message" from an intelligent alien species.

No one is disputing that there is life on Earth, but any Earth-like planet, if indeed one exists, is probably so far away as to make it a moot point.

Not a clue.

There is not evidence for the existence of God. There is much more chaos and dissolution in the Universe than any evidence of logic or coherence.

People who think it's absurd that the Universe sprang out of nothing are correct, but not in the way they intend. As I heard one physicist explain it, to speak of the Universe springing into being reveals more about the way we think than about any actual facts. We think "Before the Universe, there was a time when the Universe didn't exist." However, this is absurd, because in order for time to exist something must exist, because the whole notion of time is wrapped up in the concept of process. Their can't be a second hand ticking without a clock, in other words, and without a ticking second hand (a metaphor, perhaps, for the steady decay of atoms or leaves falling off a tree, as you wish), how could time itself exist?

Time began when the Universe began. Hard for us to conceive, but that seems to be the way it is. There was no "time before time when something caused the Universe to exist." And then there is the epistemological argument: "There is no bottle going to wash up on shore telling us what existed before existence as we know it. Perhaps something, perhaps not. It is in the realm of the absolute unknowable, so it does not exist for us."

And how could the Universe "just happen" without God? As the same physicist explained, the Universe popped out of a state before the existence of physics: a state of pure potentiality. To people who live a brief instant of time during which they are subject to cause and effect, surrounded by time-bound processes of dissolution (which is the way the Universe is going), anything outside of that straitjacket of thinking is virtually impossible to conceive, and yet it does seem to be the case that the Universe just happened, and will keep happening ever outward forever. As Bertrand Russell has pointed out, if we use God as the first cause of everything, all that does is move the problem back a notch: Where, then, did God come from? And if indeed one thing can be self-existent, it might as well be the Universe as God.


If your argument is that people see things to fear around them and worry about more of the same, duh! What is your point? Of course they do!

Twelve reasons why interstellar space travel will never occur: http://www.pathlights.com/ce_encyclopedia/02star10.htm

Read and weep all you Trekkies and Star Warriors.

(BTW, it's a creationism site, which I think is a laugh, but they have the facts going for them in this instance.)