Thought he more to do with it from stuff like this;
"I would say he is the brain behind most of them," said Muzaffar Chishti, director of the Migration Policy Institute's office at the New York University School of Law.

Thanks, didn't realize that the majority of your State Senators and Reps are Latino. Would have thought it would be a majority White since that is the largest percent of residents.

Yes, sorry I don't know much about your state:upsidedow

Are there laws against hiring illegal immigrants? And, if there are laws, where is the enforcement? If your competitors were getting busted for hiring illegals, and I am talking busted HARD, then wouldn't other business stop the hiring? If no one was hiring wouldn't that stop the flow of illegal immigrants who are coming to this country trying to find work?

I wasn't talking about AZ specifically. I was talking about the US as a whole.

"even if 100% of the black population in this state was on welfare, it wouldn't be a measurable percentage to the amount of illegals that hammer the system"

Do you have any statistics to back this up or is it a bare assertion? Seems a little far fetched but it may be accurate in Arizona, given the large percentage of "illegals."

"The worst black/any color crime area in America doesn't compare"

So you're making the claim that AZ has the highest crime rate in the nation and it can be attributed to "illegals"?

"Worst" is subjective. Got any stats to back that up?

You made the claim. Now back it up or deflect, like a typical negro.

I definitely don't think anyone that doesn't live in Arizona should be complaining about the law. They have some serious shit going on there.

Ever watch that show Border Wars on Nat Geo Channel? It's focused on the Arizona Mexico border, and Border agents seem to have their hands full -- and that's understating it. I'm sure what I see on that show could be multiplied by 100.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mara_Salvatrucha fucking scum

Phoenix is the number one city for kidnappings

you can post the embedded vid of the hispanic looking fellow in Seattle getting stomped!

heard he's illegal so it doesn't matter

yes when the smuggling go's bad the police are called to save them

I was in Savage Maryland (very far from the border) this past week and I saw ICE come into a state park there and round up about 500 immigrants (all Latino) they had giant paddy wagon buses and helicopters.

Normally they all spend thier days there in the woods after work or at lunch. Fishing and bathing in the river. and you can see 4 to 500 latinos down there.

I went back the next day for a walk and I saw 4 people on the river that was it.


Not one word of it on the news anywhere and it was a huge roundup

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloods
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crips
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Gangster_Disciples

pinche mayates sucios!

bathing in the river :1orglaugh :helpme

I have a question.

If a police officer pulls over a car because of a simple violation, like driving on a spare or obscured license digit or something simple. And that officer notices 8 people crammed into the backseat.. Does anyone doubt that the officer SHOULD be able to determine if those 8 people crammed in the back are being trafficked? What, if anything, should the officer be ALLOWED by law to do? Should they be PREVENTED by law from doing something? What?

Philosophy is fine for what it's worth, but lets talk nuts and bolts on a real scenario at some point.

fuck opinions -- just do as your told and stop wasting my time

you dont wanna get me started on that POS Arizona's law!

I've been reading over these threads and keep wondering that same exact question.

I see the concern over racial profiling, I understand that. But what about situations like this? Obviously something needs to be done when a person is found to be illegal. If I have a warrant out for my arrest and I get pulled over for a basic traffic violation, I get taken in for that warrant. I get punished for something totally unrelated, but something that I did that was illegal.

Why should this not be true for everyone?

I don't need crime stats, all I have to do is look at population stats. Being that blacks ONLY make up 2.5% (or about 180k people) of the States population, I'm 100% sure in my statistics.

vs. 650,000-1million estimated illegals in the state.


Damn straight... the highest crime rate areas in America aren't at 100%, however every single illegal in the Country is committing at least one crime just by being here, then they repeat crimes like breathing air.

"In the population study of a sample of 55,322 illegal aliens, researchers found that they were arrested at least a total of 459,614 times, averaging about 8 arrests per illegal alien. Nearly all had more than 1 arrest. Thirty-eight percent (about 21,000) had between 2 and 5 arrests, 32 percent (about 18,000) had between 6 and 10 arrests, and 26 percent (about 15,000) had 11 or more arrests."

Think what's it really is once the border crime statistics can finally be processed through the Courts and become part of the statistics.

personally i don't disagree with the right for police officers to detain people without identification or papers in obvious immigration type settings, especially in cities or states that have a great deal of immigration.

it's just the way this entire law was introduced, with the amendments, shows no real respect for realities of the racial profiling this will encourage

mi troll hispano de los Estados Unidos estarán libres de basura ilegal

If you have an over stuffed car, the cop can't allow it to proceed on. Once you exit the car, he is going to ask each person to identify themselves, and the process starts.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :2 cents:

I agree the problem is people like Obama recklessly talking out his ass that latinos standing in line for ice cream might be asked to prove they are citizens. NOTHING that would allow anything even CLOSE to that was even in the bill, and I didnt even try to follow it closely to know that.

I generally approve of Obama, but sometimes he jams his foot in his mouth up to his knee.

It's just as good as and there have been plenty of illegal immigrants to walk away from accidents because the fact they were illegal immigrants, so nothing could be done to them except being sent home without having to pay for any damages. Real nice, eh?

And this piece of shit ever returns and if my buddy runs into this worthless individual that took his daughters life...you can bet he will be served a cold platter of justice. :thumbsup

Now on the other hand this new law is going to allow the law to prosecute illegal immigrants right off the bat for being in this country illegally and for crimes committed and then send them to jail instead of back to Mexico. :thumbsup

Kind of answers the question of why we need "uninsured motorist coverage" in a state where having auto insurance is the law.

well said :)

that doesnt cover illegal drivers my mom had to use her insurance

People seem pretty easily to agree that an overstuffed car is something already on the books as illegal, and therefore asking the stuffed peoples for ID's is common sense. I agree with that too. Isn't it illegal right now to do that though?

I was in Savage Maryland (very far from the border) this past week and I saw ICE come into a state park there and round up about 500 immigrants (all Latino) they had giant paddy wagon buses and helicopters.

Normally they all spend thier days there in the woods after work or at lunch. Fishing and bathing in the river. and you can see 4 to 500 latinos down there.

I went back the next day for a walk and I saw 4 people on the river that was it.


Not one word of it on the news anywhere and it was a huge roundup

We do have laws against hiring illegal immigrants, but there has not been a way for immigration or law enforcement to just walk in a building and check status of citizenship, although Sheriff Joe was the only one with balls to enforce what little law we have.
I think the biz owners get a warning and then are fined a minimal amount on the second offense.
And there have been restrictions in the law which tied law enforcements hands to really do their jobs when it came to busting those who hire illegal immigrants…..not any more :thumbsup


This is another area where strict laws need to be in place and they are not! And employers need to be busted hard, but they are not. The fines for this offense are not hard enough to make people think twice.
I feel it should be treated just as tough as a drug busts.
1. If an employer is caught hiring illegal immigrants he should have to forfeit his business lic along with contractors lic and not be allowed to ever own operate a business again in the U.S.
2. He should be fined per illegal immigrant he hires.
3. And all assets from the company to be confiscated and sold at auction.

This may not be the best law to impose, but you can bet if an employer values his right to run and own a company ever again and the fact knowing that he will lose everything associated to that business, he will definitely think twice about breaking the law.

You are right, take away the food source and people will leave and who ever decides to still break the law will be deported. ;)

Yes, it is a law that "ALL motorist have to carry insurance, but some feel they are above the law :winkwink:

Thanks Nikki, I just found some info on this too, the Employer Sanction Law that went into effect in Jan, 2008.

It was fought by;
"...Julie Pace, a Phoenix attorney who represents 12 major business groups opposing the law ? contractors, farmers, hotel owners and state and local chambers of commerce. The groups sued to stop the law from taking effect, arguing that it is unconstitutional because only the federal government can make immigration law."
It sounded good in principle;
"The law says any business that knowingly hires a worker who is in the country illegally will have its business license suspended. For a second offense, the business' license could be revoked. That is a far stiffer penalty than the rarely imposed federal fines for similar offenses." http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=16727312

Unfortunately it is not being enforced...and only 1...ONE business has been closed (for all of 2 days). This just happend in March of this year, two years after the law went into effect...
"Danny's Subway has agreed to close its doors for two days and will be placed on probation for three years for violating the employer-sanctions law, the County Attorney's Office announced today. Since the employer-sanctions law has been on the books, this is the first time a business has actually been shut down." http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/val...law_claims.php

Hello Mr. Jew....

Thank you for the info. As you can see there has not been much done and the penalties are laughable.
Hopefully new laws will be written that put the screws to employers the first time (Like I mentioned above) and don't allow them a second chance to do it again ;)

Your point?

:1orglaugh

For one, you didn't get it....And for two, I wasn't addressing you.

No... the cop will do everything up to arresting them, at that point they call border patrol, wait 1-3 hours for them to show up, hand the illegals over, the cop is done and later adds it into his daily report. Unless something criminal can be found to arrest one with, other than being illegal.

Man, don't get your panties in a wad.....was just asking and no, I didn't get it ;)

Now you did address me :1orglaugh

fuck arizona