where i come from, cops get away with murder

you're saying the cops will get arrested, lose their jobs, sued for 'racial profiling'?

all for a bunch of 'dirty illegals'?

it was a loop hole in the system well the future is here :)

Sued, for sure.. it's written into the new Bill and human rights groups are gearing up for that, without question.

However, it's not racial profiling when they're illegals - they're Criminals.. while the human rights groups will be looking for abuse with illegals, the focus is on actual racial profiling which is targeting brown skin people that weren't doing anything wrong and aren't illegal but yet, get treated like one because they have brown skin and talk different.

Will that happen? Sure... but no more than it does now. Cops don't need to racial profile to bust illegals, they just need a law that allows them to do what they should be doing already - which is arrest criminals.

my point is if something was also set up for canadians, even with budget allowances of the estimated amount of canadians to be apprehended, there would be no discussion here

you said the dirty part but illegal is illegal :)

A Canadian is subject to this as much as any other Illegal that is here.. If you're pulled over, asked for an ID, they will then ask for your passport, no different than now. And by federal law if you're visiting America, those are papers you have to keep on you at all times - under Federal law.

Just like if I visit Canada or even work in Canada.

If you can't produce these papers because you're Illegal, you will be processed and treated like any other Illegal Criminal.

Have you actually READ the law that you are so quick to call racist?


Just wondering. It's only 19 pages or so.

Perhaps you should.


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fair enough, but generally when i visit the states my 'papers' are locked in a safe.. i get by with photo id till the docs are requested for.

regardless, you see where i am coming from.

¿dónde está mi troll hispano
http://norwegianity.files.wordpress....es_troll_2.jpg :helpme :(

i don't need to read a book about the molecular structure of an apple to call it what it is

:2 cents:

I will also have to disagree with you! What example would you like?

The cops are going to have to be re trained so they do not offend anyone and I don't see where Canada comes into this picture and this law never mentions targeting Hispanic's. The only people in uproar are the Hispanics, rightly so, it's "THEIR" people who are the largest offenders of breaking our immigration law and now my State is going to enforce the law.

This is not a race issue, its illegal immigration and that means anyone in this country illegally, whether you are black, white, green or yellow, must obey the law. The majority of illegals in this country happen to be Hispanic although there are other races here illegally too. It is time to clamp down on this issue as it has taken its toll on our State and States across this country.

I for one have seen what the influx of illegal immigration has done to my state and city. I also have experienced the slowly dyeing off of our mainstream company for 5 years due to competitors hiring illegal immigrants. I can not compete against another company who pays cash to curb side workers and does not have to pay into the system like my company has had to do for years.

The illegals have run down our neighborhoods, trashed street corners, harass people pulling into parking lots to get work, over run and taxed our school system, abused and taxed our medical system, and taken about everything they can for free and it is time for it to stop.

It is no different if I went to any other country; I have to have proper paperwork, plain and simple. The problem is, is that the federal government has let this go on way to long while they turned a blind eye and now that we are going to do something about it.

Looks like other states are going to be jumping on board too, so this just goes to show bad the situation is and how fed up citizens are from other states and now it's time to do something about it.

Maybe you should read the law :winkwink:

doesnt matter if he reads it or not its the law now

good luck with it.. from my understanding most of those states of a great deal of Hispanic citizens, and someone has to get racially profiled incorrectly just once for this to be a failure.

I'm actually very surprised to hear you make such a silly analogy. I'm not talking about some non-relavent issues here, I'm talking about what the law actually IS.

To use your analogy, then all you know about the object in front of you is that someone told you that it's a fruit, and that it's rotten..... You haven't seen it, you have no idea what it looks like, or how it tastes, or even what kind of fruit it is... But you are going to go ahead and say that it's a rotten apple based on no knowledge.

I've always counted you as a very smart guy.... this is disappointing.


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I am disappointed in your trying to manipulate me into thinking that your approval of whatever intelligence i have is going to lead me to saying something i'd rather not.

frankly, you're never going to find a document saying 'we're going set up this law to be as insulting and racial as possible'

doesn't mean the reality doesn't exist.

what else exists is quite simply how long it will take till you yourself will be presenting identification to prove you're not illegal

And probably the majority of those Hispanics are here illegally!

No system is perfect, but this new law gives us a chance enforce the law that no one has had the balls to enforce. I am sure there will be some sort of profiling, and I am sure it will be dealt with.
Illegal is illegal. Don't blame us for enforcing the law, blame the ones breaking it :thumbsup

you misunderstand Nikki, i am a firm believer in protection of borders and culture, but i also believe in the idea that what doesn't kill us makes us stronger, and the idea of one sleeps in the bed they make.

Mexico has been a 3rd world country for awhile now..

throwing your constitutional ideals under a bus to solve a problem doesn't fix anything.

Right now, when I am pulled over by a cop for speeding, I must provide ID. If I were loitering at the darkened back door of a shop late at night and a cop stops me, I must also provide ID. This is called "in the course of lawful contact" and it is one of the center points of the law.

So you are going to argue based on a law that you haven't even READ???

This reminds me of the US congressmen and senators that vote for or against a healthcare or bailout bill that they haven't read either.

How does that make sense? Doesn't it seem a bit intellectually lazy?

Do you often tell people that books are crap that you haven't read? Or movies are crap that you haven't watched?

Just wondering...


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why keep explaining :2 cents:

so what you're saying is there is already legal precedent to stop people and ask for their identification providing there is justifiable cause?

makes me wonder if there is any point in reading that there law

duly noted

that is true in every country, if they have probably cause to believe there is a crime, ie if you are observed traveling 50mph in a 35mph zone.



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so we have reached the conclusion of what i am saying, that this law is more a political statement then something that should actually be implemented.

there is already legal precedent to do exactly what this law is entailing, and the ability to implement a streamlined system for processing illegal immigrants and providing funding to the agencies, that are at this very moment having an impact on providing a decent solution to this situation, is something that can still be achieved!

minus American citizens getting id'd on the streets they live in due to the colour of their skin, which is what the real point here is

They will continue to evade the fact that LEGAL hispanics will be stopped and hassled for the color of their skin, ethnicity. It's racial profiling, pure and simple.

It's why this arizona fiasco will fail, it provides no equal protection under law. If they are stopping everyone to check their papers that is one thing. But I kinda doubt they're going to be stopping the illegal white german guy anytime soon under this law.

did you read the law? apparently we need to read it for common sense to apply

Actually what you are saying is not correct. EVEN IF in the course of a lawful contact, evidence comes to light that the person that the police are in contact with is in the country illegally, prior to this law, police could do NOTHING about it. They were not able to contact ICE or do anything else to initial deportation. Now with this law, that final step can be taken.


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You are totally mis-informed. The law does NOT allow people to be randomly stopped on suspicion of being illegal. It only applies when the police are stopping them for the same things that they stop people for already.

You guys should really read this law before making specious arguments. I know that you all know how to use Google. Just find it and read it. It takes about 20 minutes.
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usted sabe ilegales han hecho mal uso de Arizona durante décadas. its about race sure because south america is latin. illegals are here from there in the south western states is the gateway. and saying legal hispanics will be stopped if you think you were done wrong file a report.

The Mexicans do provide cheap labour - that's something.

alright, if you have time to read 19 pages of law regarding racial profiling.. take a look at the counter-terrorism laws that were put into place in the UK.. referencing 'Icesave'.

You'll notice the terminology throughout that set of reading will reference 'terrorism' and 'crimes against the state', and then you can refer to how the UK Government used that same counter-terrorism laws to destroy two banks and financially cripple a legitimate government.

and then tell us again about the application of law

who here lives in Arizona? and how do mexicans that cross the US border effect you personally?

Your argument that there is going to be racial profiling has no basis in the actual text of the law. The police can't question someone solely on the grounds that they look illegal. Why don't you just start claiming that police will setup checkpoints in front of ever major intersection? It will scare more people.

if that is true, what is the point of HB 2162?

no comment

It's an amendment that reinforces that cops can't stop someone solely on the grounds that they look illegal.

reinforces? it amends what the government can prosecute for and clarifies what grounds the police can investigate immigration status for any individual.

so instead of language of 'reasonable suspicion' they now tailor the wording to come after the suspect is 'lawfully stopped'

And so what wrong with lawfully stopped?

nothing, you were asking about text based in racial profiling within the law, and here it is

Where is it?