Students Sent Home For Wearing Red White And BLue on Cinco De Mayo

[smutnut]

Students sent home for wearing red white and blue on Cinco De Mayo
http://news.yahoo.com/video/local-15749667/19585803

[Barefootsies]

More of this PC horseshit.

[2012]

[smutnut]

Yet illegal immigrants can wave the Mexican flag and walk down the main streets of Los Angeles with no problem at all.

[smutnut]

Originally Posted by 2012

Awesome song!!!

[BobG]

Funny, I grew up one town over from there. I know how it is there. The campus can be a volatile place, lots of fighting and things can get ugly quick. The adults and administrators are quick to jump on anyone who is trying to (to put it in the vernacular of the area) "start shit." I can see how, in the administrators eyes, these kids were out to start shit and that doesn't fly on high school campuses in that area. Stuff like that has and does lead to fights, even stabbings and shootings which is exactly why the administrators acted how they did. It's not about patriotism, white v brown or USA vs Mex. Simply a case of putting a stop to the actions of a few, that had the potential to lead to something worse. This news headline could have very well read, "4 kids get killed for wearing red white and blue to school," if the administrators had not acted as they did. Nothing to see here.

[smutnut]

Originally Posted by BobG

Funny, I grew up one town over from there. I know how it is there. The campus can be a volatile place, lots of fighting and things can get ugly quick. The adults and administrators are quick to jump on anyone who is trying to (to put it in the vernacular of the area) "start shit." I can see how, in the administrators eyes, these kids were out to start shit and that doesn't fly on high school campuses in that area. Stuff like that has and does lead to fights, even stabbings and shootings which is exactly why the administrators acted how they did. It's not about patriotism, white v brown or USA vs Mex. Simply a case of putting a stop to the actions of a few, that had the potential to lead to something worse. This news headline could have very well read, "4 kids get killed for wearing red white and blue to school," if the administrators had not acted as they did. Nothing to see here.

Maybe they should have called in the police to keep the peace like they do during civil rights demonstrations if things are that volatile and can get that easily out of hand.

[BobG]

Originally Posted by smutnut

Maybe they should have called in the police to keep the peace like they do during civil rights demonstrations if things are that volatile and can get that easily out of hand.

They would have and do. But they literally deal with shit like this every day there... Trying to keep the peace, trying to quiet the shit starters. They don't call the cops every day though, first step is administrator action. High school campuses, esp in areas like this are no place for ethnic/political statements. Put yourself in the shoes of administrators who in recent times have seen kids stomped, beaten, killed... Any little step out of line is going to be called into question. They've dealt with stuff like this since i was in High School in the 80s and 90s, and some of the administrators have been there since then and seen it all. The policy didn't just start yesterday. The action was based on policy that has come to be as a result of many incidents over the last 20 years.

[smutnut]

Originally Posted by BobG

They would have and do. But they literally deal with shit like this every day there... Trying to keep the peace, trying to quiet the shit starters. They don't call the cops every day though, first step is administrator action. High school campuses, esp in areas like this are no place for ethnic/political statements. Put yourself in the shoes of administrators who in recent times have seen kids stomped, beaten, killed... Any little step out of line is going to be called into question. They've dealt with stuff like this since i was in High School in the 80s and 90s, and some of the administrators have been there since then and seen it all. The policy didn't just start yesterday. The action was based on policy that has come to be as a result of many incidents over the last 20 years.

It would be a lot easier to make a policy that you can't wear any colors or flags at all instead of catering to the Mexican American community and trying to call it something else. That would pretty much make things equal and not piss off people who don't give a flying fuck about special interest holidays.

[RaiderCash_Dominik]

Send everyone wearing green and red on 4th of July and call it even.

[Tom_PM]

The good news to the story is that eventually the school district stepped in and admonished the person who sent them home and the kids returned to school.

It's amazing that the country's flag could be viewed by a person in power as a symbol that could incite violence. But there is no other way to slice this pile of shit. Thank god he was admonished, and I hope he's removed for being an idiot.

[Nikki_Licks]

Originally Posted by smutnut

Students sent home for wearing red white and blue on Cinco De Mayo
http://news.yahoo.com/video/local-15749667/19585803

Fuck Cinco de mayo

This is total bullshit! Who gives a fuck if the hispanics are pissed. This is America, don't like it...get the fuck out!!! The ones probably bitching are illegals ;)
I hope these students sue the fuck out of the school system, I know I would be if it was my kid

[fatfoo]

It sure is a Hispanic Principal. This news article is interesting.

Another victory day is coming soon on May 9.

[BobG]

Originally Posted by smutnut

It would be a lot easier to make a policy that you can't wear any colors or flags at all instead of catering to the Mexican American community and trying to call it something else. That would pretty much make things equal and not piss off people who don't give a flying fuck about special interest holidays.

This one is not about catering to an ethnic group, special interests nor patriotism. Was simply a matter of a group of children trying to be cute, trying to be provocative, trying to draw attention to themselves, trying to start shit, and it worked. They actually did a good job of ruffling feathers. This is an issue of intent.

[smax]

so much for the first amendment...

[spazlabz]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

The good news to the story is that eventually the school district stepped in and admonished the person who sent them home and the kids returned to school.

It's amazing that the country's flag could be viewed by a person in power as a symbol that could incite violence. But there is no other way to slice this pile of shit. Thank god he was admonished, and I hope he's removed for being an idiot.

I was happy to see that as well

in addition, if seeing old glory (and c'mon most of them were wearing tapout shirts geesh!) is an incitement to violence then the ones who are violent deserve an all expenses paid trip to juvy or jail.

It was tactless to wear those shirts specifically on that day but certainly not worth being sent home

[spazlabz]

Originally Posted by smax

so much for the first amendment...

in certain places the first amendment does not apply, public schools, airports and the military are the three that pop immediately to mind

[smutnut]

Originally Posted by BobG

This one is not about catering to an ethnic group, special interests nor patriotism. Was simply a matter of a group of children trying to be cute, trying to be provocative, trying to draw attention to themselves, trying to start shit, and it worked. They actually did a good job of ruffling feathers. This is an issue of intent.

Tell me every fucking civil rights lawyer in the world wouldn't have been all over this if some kids were sent home on St. Patricks for doing the exact same thing.

[ProG]

This vice principle is anti-american, doesn't that make him a terrorist?

[Tom_PM]

Originally Posted by ProG

This vice principle is anti-american, doesn't that make him a terrorist?

If Leiberman and new senate super-model Brown have their way, he can be stripped of his citizenship and sent directly to Guantanamo for some tortur....... er...... interrogation.

[BobG]

I remember how it was in high school... The plan... "Hey, lets all be funny fuckers and wear USA stuff on Cinco de Mayo, hahaha!"... probably all got ready together, drove to school together, marched into campus in a group with big grins on their faces... everybody on campus was probably looking at them, talking about it, kids start getting worked up into a frenzy over it... one great big old distraction. And administrators are suppose to let them put on their show or stop it and move forward with the business of education?

[smax]

Originally Posted by spazlabz

in certain places the first amendment does not apply, public schools, airports and the military are the three that pop immediately to mind

In this context Tinker v. Des Moines says it does

[smutnut]

Originally Posted by BobG

I remember how it was in high school... The plan... "Hey, lets all be funny fuckers and wear USA stuff on Cinco de Mayo, hahaha!"... probably all got ready together, drove to school together, marched into campus in a group with big grins on their faces... everybody on campus was probably looking at them, talking about it, kids start getting worked up into a frenzy over it... one great big old distraction. And administrators are suppose to let them put on their show or stop it and move forward with the business of education?

Yeah, it's pretty ironic how everyone wants their rights until it's something they disagree with

[Meeper]

These kids obviously wore the propaganda to create a rise from the other students, but sending them home was definitely the wrong thing to do. Although you really have to think about it. In a school that is 40% Hispanic, I'm pretty sure there would have been some kind of fight over this if they weren't sent home.

[ProG]

Originally Posted by BobG

I remember how it was in high school... The plan... "Hey, lets all be funny fuckers and wear USA stuff on Cinco de Mayo, hahaha!"... probably all got ready together, drove to school together, marched into campus in a group with big grins on their faces... everybody on campus was probably looking at them, talking about it, kids start getting worked up into a frenzy over it... one great big old distraction. And administrators are suppose to let them put on their show or stop it and move forward with the business of education?

I am really missing your point here. It's a public school. If someone wanted to dress up as Satan on Christmas that's their choice. The school should not have any agenda and certainly shouldn't punish kids who do not wish to celebrate a holiday from another country. They are treating it like they stopped some race riot in a prison. If the school is that tense they have much bigger issues going on. It's obvious the vice principle was the one offended, not the students, and when the students refused his demands they were sent home. He should be fired.

[smutnut]

Originally Posted by Meeper

These kids obviously wore the propaganda to create a rise from the other students, but sending them home was definitely the wrong thing to do. Although you really have to think about it. In a school that is 40% Hispanic, I'm pretty sure there would have been some kind of fight over this if they weren't sent home.

Yeah, it's getting harder and harder to stay a democrat. I agree.

[BobG]

Originally Posted by smutnut

Yeah, it's pretty ironic how everyone wants their rights until it's something they disagree with

I don't disagree with anyone's right to wear whatever the fuck they want, I support that right. I do not agree that it is a right to create distractions and incite racial tension on the campus of a public high school. Why not get together and wear red white and blue on any other day or every other day for that matter? Why on that day? What was their intent? Was it to say, "Cinco de Mayo... fuck that!?" I think so. Which is fine too. You're perfectly within your rights to say fuck Cinco de Mayo, just not to organize and demonstrate it on a public high school campus.

[smutnut]

Originally Posted by BobG

I don't disagree with anyone's right to wear whatever the fuck they want, I support that right. I do not agree that it is a right to create distractions and incite racial tension on the campus of a public high school. Why not get together and wear red white and blue on any other day or every other day for that matter? Why on that day? What was their intent? Was it to say, "Cinco de Mayo... fuck that!?" I think so. Which is fine too. You're perfectly within your rights to say fuck Cinco de Mayo, just not to organize and demonstrate it on a public high school campus.

But you have the right to organize and be pro Cinco De Mayo? Do you hear yourself?

Everyone has rights except natural born Americans I take it, and the more white you are or act, the less rights you should have?

You don't need your rights if you follow the crowd. Only when you're going against it. There's no problem when you follow the crowd

[BobG]

Originally Posted by ProG

I am really missing your point here. It's a public school. If someone wanted to dress up as Satan on Christmas that's their choice. The school should not have any agenda and certainly shouldn't punish kids who do not wish to celebrate a holiday from another country. They are treating it like they stopped some race riot in a prison. If the school is that tense they have much bigger issues going on. It's obvious the vice principle was the one offended, not the students, and when the students refused his demands they were sent home. He should be fired.

Public, doesn't mean that you can do anything you want. Private schools tolerate misbehavior and distractions less so things like this would never even come close to happening. Maybe some were offended but wasn't that part of the fun of doing what they did for them? They wanted to ruffle feathers and they did. The schools agenda was to prevent these kids from starting trouble.

[Tom_PM]

Yes, children want to get attention.

[BobG]

Originally Posted by smutnut

But you have the right to organize and be pro Cinco De Mayo? Do you hear yourself?

Everyone has rights except natural born Americans I take it, and the more white you are or act, the less rights you should have?

You don't need your rights if you follow the crowd. Only when you're going against it. There's no problem when you follow the crowd

My dad is actually a teacher up there. Trust me, this isn't political, it's simply about keeping the peace on a high school campus. You're injecting your own perceived political implications into the situation. Minus your viewpoints based on your political opinions, and this matter it's simply about keeping the peace on a high school campus and nothing more.

[ProG]

Originally Posted by BobG

Public, doesn't mean that you can do anything you want. Private schools tolerate misbehavior and distractions less so things like this would never even come close to happening. Maybe some were offended but wasn't that part of the fun of doing what they did for them? They wanted to ruffle feathers and they did. The schools agenda was to prevent these kids from starting trouble.

Kids dress different from each other every single day. It's nothing new. You have different groups of kids that all dress different. You are saying because they dress different than the majority on a certain day they deserve to be punished?

[smutnut]

Originally Posted by BobG

My dad is actually a teacher up there. Trust me, this isn't political, it's simply about keeping the peace on a high school campus. You're injecting your own perceived political implications into the situation. Minus your viewpoints based on your political opinions, and this matter it's simply about keeping the peace on a high school campus and nothing more.

It's bullshit. You're avoiding direct answers to the questions. If everyone up there wanted to own a slave would we bring slavery back? Or if everyone wanted to have an orgy, would that be okay too? Basically you're letting the inmates run the asylum and you already admitted it was majority Mexican and it just so happens that the issue is about Cinco De Mayo. You can color it anyway you want but the facts are the facts, and all your smooth PC talk isn't really changing that. Like I said, reverse this situation and see if anyone gets away with anything or if there's even a defense then.

[BobG]

Originally Posted by smutnut

It's bullshit. You're avoiding direct answers to the questions. If everyone up there wanted to own a slave would we bring slavery back? Or if everyone wanted to have an orgy, would that be okay too? Basically you're letting the inmates run the asylum and you already admitted it was majority Mexican and it just so happens that the issue is about Cinco De Mayo. You can color it anyway you want but the facts are the facts, and all your smooth PC talk isn't really changing that. Like I said, reverse this situation and see if anyone gets away with anything or if there's even a defense then.

If everyone wanted to own a slave, would we bring it back? No
If everyone wanted to have an orgy, would that be ok? No

I don't understand this logic though.

Do you agree that these kids were trying to "ruffle feathers?"

[smutnut]

Originally Posted by BobG

If everyone wanted to own a slave, would we bring it back? No
If everyone wanted to have an orgy, would that be ok? No

I don't understand this logic though.

Do you agree that these kids were trying to "ruffle feathers?"

I'm not going to argue that they were or weren't trying to ruffle feathers. That's beside the point. Maybe their feathers were being ruffled and they retaliated. You're logic is the only way to stop violence from taking place was to send these kids home. That's a pretty insanely violent school that should be shut down if that's the case. Violence or not though, freedom of speech and expression are supposed to be important in this country. It's the reason things like Cinco De Mayo are allowed to be celebrated in the first place and not shut down by the right wing tea baggers and other such groups.

[BobG]

Originally Posted by ProG

Kids dress different from each other every single day. It's nothing new. You have different groups of kids that all dress different. You are saying because they dress different than the majority on a certain day they deserve to be punished?

It's not about dressing different though. It's about, "does this situation have the potential to lead to something worse?" Unfortunately, the answer is yes.

[bronco67]

The irony of this is so mind blowing, I can't even believe it actually happened -- except there's a video to prove it. It's almost an Onion story.

[Tom_PM]

Actually, the answer is "no" and the school district higher ups CORRECTED the WRONG principal who sent them home. It's in the story.

[ProG]

Originally Posted by BobG

It's not about dressing different though. It's about, "does this situation have the potential to lead to something worse?" Unfortunately, the answer is yes.

Dude this logic is flawed. Would you send home a black student in a majority white school because it has the potential to lead to something worse? It's about the freedom to make your own choices.

[BobG]

Originally Posted by smutnut

I'm not going to argue that they were or weren't trying to ruffle feathers. That's beside the point. Maybe their feathers were being ruffled and they retaliated. You're logic is the only way to stop violence from taking place was to send these kids home. That's a pretty insanely violent school that should be shut down if that's the case. Violence or not though, freedom of speech and expression are supposed to be important in this country. It's the reason things like Cinco De Mayo are allowed to be celebrated in the first place and not shut down by the right wing tea baggers and other such groups.

Yes it is logical to remove the kids from the place where they are causing trouble by design, yes it is. My only point is, the actions of these few kids produced a potential for worse things to follow.

[smutnut]

Originally Posted by BobG

It's not about dressing different though. It's about, "does this situation have the potential to lead to something worse?" Unfortunately, the answer is yes.

Hey, I have a question for you. Why don't Mexicans like red white and blue on their holiday? They sure mix it in with their Mexican flags during their immigration marches in Downtown Los Angeles. This is a serious question. I'm not being sarcastic. I'm curious.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by BobG

It's not about dressing different though. It's about, "does this situation have the potential to lead to something worse?" Unfortunately, the answer is yes.

The problem is not with what the person wears it is with the reaction that it causes. The people who could not handle seeing an AMERICAN FLAG should have been the ones sent home since they are the ones that posed a problem, not the people in the shirts.

[bronco67]

So red, white and blue so offensive to the Mexicans -- Are they oppressed as they live in our country illegally, sucking up our fucking resources? Why wave your arms around when you're hanging on by your fingernails? They should keep their mouths shut or get the fuck out.

[pornguy]

I think a WHOLE lot of REAL info has been left out of this.

[Vendzilla]

If they had done something like that to my daughter I would have got in their faces, anyone that has a problem with my flag can go fuck themselves.

Then again, I did kinda scare a couple of the administrators at my daughters schools over the years, one teacher I helped get fired.

I got a call to leave work and pick my daughter up, she had missed the bus, I got there and she told me she was held after class because the class was disrupting. I got the teacher and the vice principal together the next day and read them the riot act, my daughter was with me, in front of them, I told my daughter when that final bell rings, leave the class and if someone tries to stop you, you have my permission to kick their ass! I never had problems with that school again. Later in high school, I had a teacher disagree with a paper my daughter wrote about the Beatles and gave her a "F", my daughter was a "A" student and did a lot of research on the paper, I raised her to be a "free thinker" and today at 22, we're best friends. Well I got the whole staff in on that, her grade was raised to a "B" and because of that and other complaints, the teacher was fired a month later

[ProG]

Originally Posted by BobG

Yes it is logical to remove the kids from the place where they are causing trouble by design, yes it is. My only point is, the actions of these few kids produced a potential for worse things to follow.

I'm so confused by this argument. How can you sit here and say it's fine for the school to celebrate Cinco De Mayo (From video: "They even had ethnic dancers perform at lunch") and punish those who wish not to? This is insane.

[BobG]

Originally Posted by smutnut

Hey, I have a question for you. Why don't Mexicans like red white and blue on their holiday? They sure mix it in with their Mexican flags during their immigration marches in Downtown Los Angeles. This is a serious question. I'm not being sarcastic. I'm curious.

Haha. Ok, serious answer... Mexicans don't dislike red, white and blue on the United States Holiday of Cinco de Mayo.

[BobG]

Originally Posted by ProG

I'm so confused by this argument. How can you sit here and say it's fine for the school to celebrate Cinco De Mayo (From video: "They even had ethnic dancers perform at lunch") and punish those who wish not to? This is insane.

Ok, if you were an administrator at a school and I was a student, and you saw something that I and a group of friends had specifically planned and were doing that was drawing attention to ourselves, distracting others and had the potential to lead to something far worse... what would you do?

[smutnut]

Originally Posted by BobG

Haha. Ok, serious answer... Mexicans don't dislike red, white and blue on the United States Holiday of Cinco de Mayo.

Don't understand the answer. They do or they don't? And isn't it sort of tough shit if they don't since they are here living off the land so to speak whether legally or not? Who the fuck do they think they are? Maybe they should go celebrate this glorious holiday in a land where they can have a better standard of living.

[smutnut]

Originally Posted by BobG

Ok, if you were an administrator at a school and I was a student, and you saw something that I and a group of friends had specifically planned and were doing that was drawing attention to ourselves, distracting others and had the potential to lead to something far worse... what would you do?

I would cancel Cinco De Mayo. Very easy answer to that question. It's a no brainer. It incites violence, and it's offensive to the United States of America