Was Lincoln and Kennedy killed because they both attempted to release us from the FED?

I wish Bill Maher would do a show just about these issues.

Arm yourself, let em come. Use hollow tips only

Lincoln was killed by fanatics for destroying the confederacy. That was on actual conspiracy in our history and they tried to get the vice president too.

Kennedy was killed by a nut who wanted to feel important and read a lot of commie pamphlets. He happened to be an ex marine and very skilled marksmen.

Both Roosevelts opposed big business and corporations. Teddy actually took on the Robber Barons and FDR's terms should speak for itself. One was a democrat and one was a republican if I'm not mistaken.

cliff notes for those who don't have the time to read such a long read on a monday?

yep theres latin on the bills that reads "one world order"

Hmmmm.... If Lincoln was after the FED or the FED was after Lincoln, there must have been some crazy time traveling going on. The FED didn't even exist until after the passing of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 and Lincoln was assassinated in 1865.

Lincoln may have been killed for other reasons but the FED sure as hell didn't do it unless they stole Doc Browns time traveling Dolorean.

And no I didn't read the article because if it is a retarded as the claims of this thread title then there clearly is no TRUE claims at all.

it's another one of those *the rothchild's own the fed* psychobabble sites.

didn't kennedy just severely mess up Vietnam and the missile crisis situation before he was assassinated?

No......

Don't forget andrew jackson who got rid of the central bank (it wasn't called the fed back then). The guy tried to kill him but his gun misfired 2 times.

Who does own the fed?

FR are watching this thread closly

Some guy named Fred. We were knocking back a few in a bar the other night.

Really? Show me.

"A great industrial nation is controlled by it's system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the world--no longer a government of free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of small groups of dominant men." --President Woodrow Wilson after signing the fed into existence. (there are some variations of this quote on the web, some say I am a most unhappy man at the beginning, but not sure if that's valid)

"From now on, depressions will be scientifically created." -- Congressman Charles A. Lindbergh Sr. , 1913

i'm not here to educate. you should do what you suggest everyone else do which is research the topic for yourself.

I've been researching it for the last 9 years, just wondering if you knew.

Actually the guy what was supposed to get the VP chickened out. Also the Secretary of War was severly attacked but survived. One can only wonder what would have happed if all 3 died.

that's a long time.

Actually when I was in high school and had to study the Lincoln Conspiracy, I think I remember they thought Scranton or Stanton or something with an "S", I think that was the Sec Of Wars name (later changed to SEC OF DEFENSE) was behind it, but maybe our history teacher was trying to keep us interested and also, you know how science and history changes from year to year like religion LOL

I may have stated it wrong... Lincoln, instead of borrowing money from the banks, created "green backs" instead, interest free...then, after he was killed, the government removed the green backs and went back to % bearing notes. Something going on there.

It's a long article, but worth reading.

Possibly that is what the "media" wants all of us to think. If the FED owns and controls the media, who knows what is really going on anymore?

So Kennedy had nothing to do with the missile crisis and killing the gooks from the movie Platoon was based on??

our national debt is growing, that's what's going on.
and all people do point fingers at each other - they are left wingers, they're right wingers and blame each other

All I know is that they NEVER talk about the FED, ownership and why we still have it on ANY newsprogram.

There does seem to be some type of cover up to keep the people misinformed.

I'm going to write Bill Maher and ask him why even his show never addresses this issue. Why is everybody afraid to discuss and exploit this issue?

It's all a form of control. Massive debt, Americans will never pay off and it's being used to "keep everybody in line."

Scary shit.

You're going to write Bill Maher?!!!

Why don't you just write Sean Penn and ask him to write you back as "I AM SAM"?

My bad it was Sec of State Seward that was attacked.

OH, JESUS H!!! Not the EYE OVER THE PYRAMID - that proves everything!

Alright I confess! Whats the point the holding out any longer?!

thankfully it doesn't read "Novus Ordo Mundi" (new world order) although many of our politicians reference "NWO" throughout the history

Do your research.

"The phrase Novus ordo seclorum (Latin for "New Order of the Ages")"

"The phrase is often mistranslated as "New World Order," for which the Latin would be Novus Ordo Mundi."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novus_ordo_seclorum

Someone needs to actually take a Latin class, then they can explain the Marlboro cigarette pack to me and phonetically pronounce it.

Quoted so everybody will stop posting in this thread. The entire premise of it is flawed from the outset for the reasons Darkland stated.

LOL that's so fucked up.

As if Doc Brown is the only person with a time machine.

damn why did u go wiki on me all the knowlege is there like fox news

True... I forgot all about The Hot Tub Time Machine!

dumb thread

True dat.

I have read and watched the history of how the 'Fed" (reserve) came to be. Scary.

To AaronM

actually lincoln was killed for something similar..but it wasnt called the fed yet...he created the greenbacks when the banking elite wanted to charge him 24-36%

anyway...i dont have time to debate this shit anymore...and it would seem no one really wants to know anything...they just want to fight on the internet

To AaronM

i once read Illuminatus on vacation until my tent mate threw up on the book - what does that tell us?

Former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds dropped a bombshell on the Mike Malloy radio show, guest-hosted by Brad Friedman (audio, partial transcript).

In the interview, Sibel says that the US maintained 'intimate relations' with Bin Laden, and the Taliban, "all the way until that day of September 11."

These 'intimate relations' included using Bin Laden for 'operations' in Central Asia, including Xinjiang, China. These 'operations' involved using al Qaeda and the Taliban in the same manner "as we did during the Afghan and Soviet conflict," that is, fighting 'enemies' via proxies.

As Sibel has previously described, and as she reiterates in this latest interview, this process involved using Turkey (with assistance from 'actors from Pakistan, and Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia') as a proxy, which in turn used Bin Laden and the Taliban and others as a proxy terrorist army.

Control of Central Asia
The goals of the American 'statesmen' directing these activities included control of Central Asia's vast energy supplies and new markets for military products.

The Americans had a problem, though. They needed to keep their fingerprints off these operations to avoid a) popular revolt in Central Asia ( Uzbekistan, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan), and b) serious repercussions from China and Russia. They found an ingenious solution: Use their puppet-state Turkey as a proxy, and appeal to both pan-Turkic and pan-Islam sensibilities.

Turkey, a NATO ally, has a lot more credibility in the region than the US and, with the history of the Ottoman Empire, could appeal to pan-Turkic dreams of a wider sphere of influence. The majority of the Central Asian population shares the same heritage, language and religion as the Turks.

In turn, the Turks used the Taliban and al Qaeda, appealing to their dreams of a pan-Islamic caliphate (Presumably. Or maybe the Turks/US just paid very well.)

According to Sibel:

This started more than a decade-long illegal, covert operation in Central Asia by a small group in the US intent on furthering the oil industry and the Military Industrial Complex, using Turkish operatives, Saudi partners and Pakistani allies, furthering this objective in the name of Islam.

Uighurs
Sibel was recently asked to write about the recent situation with the Uighurs in Xinjiang, but she declined, apart from saying that "our fingerprint is all over it."

Of course, Sibel isn't the first or only person to recognize any of this. Eric Margolis, one of the best reporters in the West on matters of Central Asia, stated that the Uighurs in the training camps in Afghanistan up to 2001:

"were being trained by Bin Laden to go and fight the communist Chinese in Xinjiang, and this was not only with the knowledge, but with the support of the CIA, because they thought they might use them if war ever broke out with China."

And also that:

"Afghanistan was not a hotbed of terrorism, these were commando groups, guerrilla groups, being trained for specific purposes in Central Asia."

In a separate interview, Margolis said:

"That illustrates Henry Kissinger's bon mot that the only thing more dangerous than being America's enemy is being an ally, because these people were paid by the CIA, they were armed by the US, these Chinese Muslims from Xinjiang, the most-Western province.

The CIA was going to use them in the event of a war with China, or just to raise hell there, and they were trained and supported out of Afghanistan, some of them with Osama Bin Laden's collaboration. The Americans were up to their ears with this."

Rogues Gallery
Last year, Sibel came up with a brilliant idea to expose some of the criminal activity that she is forbidden to speak about: she published eighteen photos, titled "Sibel Edmonds? State Secrets Privilege Gallery," of people involved the operations that she has been trying to expose. One of those people is Anwar Yusuf Turani, the so-called 'President-in-exile' of East Turkistan (Xinjiang). This so-called 'government-in-exile' was 'established' on Capitol Hill in September, 2004, drawing a sharp rebuke from China.

Also featured in Sibel's Rogues Gallery was 'former' spook Graham Fuller, who was instrumental in the establishment of Turani's 'government-in-exile' of East Turkistan. Fuller has written extensively on Xinjiang, and his "Xinjiang Project" for Rand Corp is apparently the blueprint for Turani's government-in-exile. Sibel has openly stated her contempt for Mr. Fuller.

Susurluk
The Turkish establishment has a long history of mingling matters of state with terrorism, drug trafficking and other criminal activity, best exemplified by the 1996 Susurluk incident which exposed the so-called Deep State.

Sibel states that "a few main Susurluk actors also ended up in Chicago where they centered 'certain' aspects of their operations (Especially East Turkistan-Uighurs)."

One of the main Deep State actors, Mehmet Eymur, former Chief of Counter-Terrorism for Turkey's intelligence agency, the MIT, features in Sibel's Rogues Gallery. Eymur was given exile in the US. Another member of Sibel's gallery, Marc Grossman was Ambassador to Turkey at the time that the Susurluk incident exposed the Deep State. He was recalled shortly after, prior to the end of his assignment, as was Grossman's underling, Major Douglas Dickerson, who later tried to recruit Sibel into the spying ring.

The modus operandi of the Susurluk gang is the same as the activities that Sibel describes as taking place in Central Asia, the only difference is that this activity was exposed in Turkey a decade ago, whereas the organs of the state in the US, including the corporate media, have successfully suppressed this story.

Chechnya, Albania & Kosovo
Central Asia is not the only place where American foreign policy makers have shared interests with Bin Laden. Consider the war in Chechnya. As I documented here, Richard Perle and Stephen Solarz (both in Sibel's gallery) joined other leading neocon luminaries such as Elliott Abrams, Kenneth Adelman, Frank Gaffney, Michael Ledeen, James Woolsey, and Morton Abramowitz in a group called the American Committee for Peace in Chechnya (ACPC). For his part, Bin Laden donated $25 million to the cause, as well as numerous fighters, and technical expertise, establishing training camps.

US interests also converged with those of al-Qaeda in Kosovo and Albania.

Of course, it is not uncommon for circumstances to arise where 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend.' On the other hand, in a transparent democracy, we expect a full accounting of the circumstances leading up to a tragic event like 9/11. The 9/11 Commission was supposed to provide exactly that.

State Secrets
Sibel has famously been dubbed the most gagged woman in America, having the State Secrets Privilege imposed on her twice. Her 3.5 hour testimony to the 9/11 Commission has been entirely suppressed, reduced to a single footnote which refers readers to her classified testimony.

In the interview, she says that the information that was classified in her case specifically identifies that the US was using Bin Laden and the Taliban in Central Asia, including Xinjiang. In the interview, Sibel reiterates that when invoking the gag orders, the US government claims that it is protecting " 'sensitive diplomatic relations,' protecting Turkey, protecting Israel, protecting Pakistan, protecting Saudi Arabia..." This is no doubt partially true, but it is also true that they are protecting themselves too, and it is a crime in the US to use classification and secrecy to cover up crimes.

As Sibel says in the interview:

I have information about things that our government has lied to us about... those things can be proven as lies, very easily, based on the information they classified in my case, because we did carry very intimate relationship with these people, and it involves Central Asia, all the way up to September 11.

Summary
The bombshell here is obviously that certain people in the US were using Bin Laden up to September 11, 2001.

It is important to understand why: the US outsourced terror operations to al Qaeda and the Taliban for many years, promoting the Islamization of Central Asia in an attempt to personally profit off military sales as well as oil and gas concessions.

The silence by the US government on these matters is deafening. So, too, is the blowback

nice summary