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  • FlexxAeon
    Confirmed User
    • May 2003
    • 3765
    #1

    Do sponsors have a 'sandbox'?

    I've seen this happen quite a few times. I "turn on the traffic" for a new sponsor, or an old sponsor that I didn't send a lot of traffic to before. At first the signups and hitting right away. And then they stop. Most of the time they return after a few days. I've had a couple that never returned lol

    So are you guys flagging new, unexpected sellers? Or what? Can you turn off the shave a little sooner?
    flexx [dot] aeon [at] gmail
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    • FlexxAeon
      Confirmed User
      • May 2003
      • 3765
      #2
      bump for some inside info
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        • alias
          aliasx
          • Apr 2001
          • 19010
          #3
          That is why it is important to control your traffic, choose good sponsors & have a contact at said affiliate programs.
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            • aniloscash
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              • Oct 2008
              • 1161
              #4
              is this sites using nats or ccbill? cause I dont think they can do that
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                • FlexxAeon
                  Confirmed User
                  • May 2003
                  • 3765
                  #5
                  Originally posted by alias
                  That is why it is important to control your traffic, choose good sponsors & have a contact at said affiliate programs.
                  agreed and i have a nice custom system that pretty much allows me to swap out/drop any sponsor at any time. but this is when i first start sending joins. after some time the program 'seems' to start converting again. and since i've seen this pattern more than once it makes me wonder if this is a manual action. having a contact isnt a bad idea though...

                  Originally posted by aniloscash
                  is this sites using nats or ccbill? cause I dont think they can do that
                  it's non-ccbill ones. i dont know why they can't or wouldn't do that. i could see where a tool like that would no only make sense, but would help to stop fake joins and spammers. if i sent 5 uniq/day last month and then this month i send 500 uniq/day i can understand how that would be considered a red flag.
                  flexx [dot] aeon [at] gmail

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                    • alias
                      aliasx
                      • Apr 2001
                      • 19010
                      #6
                      Of course they can do that, hit them up with your issues or move your traffic.
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                        • Barefootsies
                          Choice is an Illusion
                          • Feb 2005
                          • 42635
                          #7
                          Originally posted by alias
                          That is why it is important to control your traffic, choose good sponsors & have a contact at said affiliate programs.
                          Completely agree.
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                            • BIGTYMER
                              Junior Achiever
                              • Nov 2004
                              • 17066
                              #8
                              Shave-O-Meter in full effect.

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                                • CarlosTheGaucho
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Oct 2005
                                  • 9559
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by FlexxAeon
                                  agreed and i have a nice custom system that pretty much allows me to swap out/drop any sponsor at any time. but this is when i first start sending joins. after some time the program 'seems' to start converting again. and since i've seen this pattern more than once it makes me wonder if this is a manual action. having a contact isnt a bad idea though...



                                  it's non-ccbill ones. i dont know why they can't or wouldn't do that. i could see where a tool like that would no only make sense, but would help to stop fake joins and spammers. if i sent 5 uniq/day last month and then this month i send 500 uniq/day i can understand how that would be considered a red flag.
                                  Yeah I dealt with one of those third party affiliate softwares as a super administrator and you can pretty much set any criteria you want to filter out what's supposed to be a red flag PLUS you can always play with things manually, assign / de-assign affiliate, subafilliate etc.

                                  I was actually picking a few sponsors recently and besides them having halfway decent sites it was the gut feeling and inside info that mattered the most.
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                                    • seeandsee
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                                      #10
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                                        • nickutis
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Dec 2002
                                          • 719
                                          #11
                                          Well maybe the problem is your traffic? If you suddenly change banners, it's new for your bookmarkers first few days, so you see increase in ratios. After few days, everyone already saw & visited them, that's why nobody's buying anymore?

                                          Just guessing

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                                            • FlexxAeon
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • May 2003
                                              • 3765
                                              #12
                                              ok i hear what you guys are sayin. it's time to thin the herd of affiliates anyway.

                                              Originally posted by nickutis
                                              Well maybe the problem is your traffic? If you suddenly change banners, it's new for your bookmarkers first few days, so you see increase in ratios. After few days, everyone already saw & visited them, that's why nobody's buying anymore?

                                              Just guessing
                                              nah not really. that is possible though so you have a point. but i play the SEO game so the significant majority of visitors are brand new
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                                                • The Ghost
                                                  IslandDollars.com
                                                  • Oct 2004
                                                  • 12188
                                                  #13
                                                  It sounds more like reverse shaving than anything else. Adding in phantom sales to keep you sending traffic to hit the minimum payout.
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                                                    • FrozenJag
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                                                      • Oct 2006
                                                      • 1763
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by The Ghost
                                                      It sounds more like reverse shaving than anything else. Adding in phantom sales to keep you sending traffic to hit the minimum payout.
                                                      +1 Exactly.

                                                      In nats you CAN NOT shave but you absolutely can reverse shave. I dont think many affiliates really understand this but it happens alot more then you think.

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                                                        • cherrylula
                                                          lol
                                                          • Jan 2002
                                                          • 15969
                                                          #15
                                                          REVERSE SHAVING! finally something new to accuse programs of. phew thank goodness.

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                                                            • FrozenJag
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Oct 2006
                                                              • 1763
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by cherrylula
                                                              REVERSE SHAVING! finally something new to accuse programs of. phew thank goodness.


                                                              Atleast it means more money for the affiliate then less.

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                                                                • kane
                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                  • Aug 2001
                                                                  • 20684
                                                                  #17
                                                                  I have actually heard theories about this for a long time. There are some that believe some sponsors will give you some free signups when you join and send some traffic to entice you to keep sending.

                                                                  For example. You signup and send a sponsor 2K hits. If you only get 1-2 signups (depending on the traffic source) you might decide it is not good enough and move on. so the sponsor "credits" you a few sales without telling you. Now you have 3-4 signups and you might continue using them.

                                                                  I have never seen proof of this happening nor have I ever heard any sponsor admit that they have done this, but it is a rumor that has gone around for years.

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                                                                    • The Ghost
                                                                      IslandDollars.com
                                                                      • Oct 2004
                                                                      • 12188
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by cherrylula
                                                                      REVERSE SHAVING! finally something new to accuse programs of. phew thank goodness.

                                                                      It's not exactly new lol. Countless mentions about it here over the years. Generally don't hear anyone complaining about getting more sales though.
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                                                                        • FlexxAeon
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • May 2003
                                                                          • 3765
                                                                          #19
                                                                          yeah the whole "reverse shaving/phantom signups" is also something i've come to suspect & accept. i have a few sponsors where i have had the same exact amount of conversions for each of several pay periods. one of these sponsors it would not surprise me at all if they were doing such a thing. i look at my epass and lol at the same amount every payout. sure it MAY be a coincidence, but come on...

                                                                          reminds me of a thread around here where the point was brought up that $/unique was the main number to look at to decide what sponsors are worth your time/traffic, regardless of shaving (or 'reverse shaving' lol)
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                                                                            • FlexxAeon
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • May 2003
                                                                              • 3765
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by FrozenJag
                                                                              +1 Exactly.

                                                                              In nats you CAN NOT shave but you absolutely can reverse shave. I dont think many affiliates really understand this but it happens alot more then you think.
                                                                              while i'm sure there's no "shave button" in nats, there's a bunch of ways you could shave 'around' any billing system
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                                                                                • LoveSandra
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                                                                                  • Aug 2008
                                                                                  • 10551
                                                                                  #21
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