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  • Oracle Porn
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    • Oct 2002
    • 24433

    #1

    Legal tubes monetization

    Looking for "experts" in tube traffic monetization
    icq me


  • lazycash
    Troll Patrol
    • Aug 2002
    • 15214

    #2
    Does it differ from illegal tube monetization?
    "WTF, on google you can find the answer to every question in human history, EXCEPT how to convert cams..

    Its crazy..."

    VenusBlogger

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    • halfpint
      GFY's Halfpint
      • Jun 2007
      • 15223

      #3
      if you have your own content and not affiliate content and want a gateway Have a look at

      Adult Access Now

      traffic: youtube, dailymotion, plugs, forums, chatr... u know the rest
      Last edited by halfpint; 04-29-2010, 02:42 PM.

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      • Oracle Porn
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        • Oct 2002
        • 24433

        #4
        Originally posted by lazycash
        Does it differ from illegal tube monetization?
        maybe the "experts" can explain? :P


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        • Barefootsies
          Choice is an Illusion
          • Feb 2005
          • 42635

          #5
          Originally posted by lazycash
          Does it differ from illegal tube monetization?


          I doubt, even if there were an expert, they would wanna put a big bull's eye on them.

          However, maybe O.P. will get lucky privately via ICQ.
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          • Jack Sparrow
            Almost goners..
            • May 2008
            • 11420

            #6
            Originally posted by lazycash
            Does it differ from illegal tube monetization?
            Yes it does, and "experts" that have experience running huge legal tubes will know.

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            • Oracle Porn
              Affiliate
              • Oct 2002
              • 24433

              #7
              Originally posted by mrfrisky
              Yes it does, and "experts" that have experience running huge legal tubes will know.
              by your comment I guess you consider yourself an "expert"?


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              • BIGTYMER
                Junior Achiever
                • Nov 2004
                • 17066

                #8
                Originally posted by halfpint
                if you have your own content and not affiliate content and want a gateway Have a look at

                Adult Access Now

                traffic: youtube, dailymotion, plugs, forums, chatr... u know the rest
                How does ACN work? Any example pages? I don't see anything.

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                • Jack Sparrow
                  Almost goners..
                  • May 2008
                  • 11420

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Oracle Porn
                  by your comment I guess you consider yourself an "expert"?
                  I have been running legal tubes for some time now. From tubes doing 30-140k up to tubes doing 100k-120k of PURE seach engine traffic that did an easy $40k-$60k a month when i monitized them (admanagement/seo/etc).

                  Im not sure if I should call myself an expert. Others that know what i do may decide

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                  • Oracle Porn
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                    • Oct 2002
                    • 24433

                    #10
                    Originally posted by mrfrisky
                    I have been running legal tubes for some time now. From tubes doing 30-140k up to tubes doing 100k-120k of PURE seach engine traffic that did an easy $40k-$60k a month when i monitized them (admanagement/seo/etc).

                    Im not sure if I should call myself an expert. Others that know what i do may decide
                    is one click tube what you consider to be properly monetized?


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                    • seeandsee
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                      • Mar 2006
                      • 50945

                      #11
                      just take full cash from tube, shit out your traffic for future
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                      • Jack Sparrow
                        Almost goners..
                        • May 2008
                        • 11420

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Oracle Porn
                        is one click tube what you consider to be properly monetized?
                        No it isnt, thats why i might be selling it. My company is focussing on other areas and i have my reasons. Even without managing it like it should its still raking in a lot of money, and thats without advertising it. Hell, im even offering afspace there for free for some people starting up their new sites.

                        Btw i wasnt talking about oneclicktube.

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                        • Oracle Porn
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                          • Oct 2002
                          • 24433

                          #13
                          well you "advertised" it heavily on gfy and also have the logo as your avatar so I just thought.....my bad


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                          • halfpint
                            GFY's Halfpint
                            • Jun 2007
                            • 15223

                            #14
                            Originally posted by BIGTYMER
                            How does ACN work? Any example pages? I don't see anything.
                            You can use it in conjuction with a pay tube site or any other pay site It acts like a payment gateway.

                            You put a widget on the site
                            You set the amount of tease time before it pops up and locks the content. Or you can just have a link that your users click on as an alternative to paying by credit card. Instead they just have to fill in a survey.
                            You can set the amount of hours or day that users have access to your content before they have to fill out another survey

                            You get paid for every completed survey They pay out anything from $0.30 up to $11.00 now. You can set which surveys you want shown on the popup based on your EPC (earnings per click) Countrys your traffic is comming from, ect


                            If you want to see a working example hit me up on ICQ (its in my profile)

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                            • Headless
                              Registered User
                              • Jan 2001
                              • 26727

                              #15
                              Originally posted by mrfrisky
                              I have been running legal tubes for some time now. From tubes doing 30-140k up to tubes doing 100k-120k of PURE seach engine traffic that did an easy $40k-$60k a month when i monitized them (admanagement/seo/etc).

                              Im not sure if I should call myself an expert. Others that know what i do may decide
                              If true, those numbers are really impressive.

                              May I ask, did you use a custom tube script or off the shelf solution?

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                              • Oracle Porn
                                Affiliate
                                • Oct 2002
                                • 24433

                                #16
                                Originally posted by mrfrisky
                                I have been running legal tubes for some time now. From tubes doing 30-140k up to tubes doing 100k-120k of PURE seach engine traffic that did an easy $40k-$60k a month when i monitized them (admanagement/seo/etc).

                                Im not sure if I should call myself an expert. Others that know what i do may decide
                                p.s. I call bullshit on $40k on a 120k tube site with PURE SE traffic


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                                • GTS Mark
                                  Vrume Mark
                                  • Jan 2001
                                  • 20912

                                  #17
                                  Give us a shout, we can help.

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                                  • Jack Sparrow
                                    Almost goners..
                                    • May 2008
                                    • 11420

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Headless
                                    If true, those numbers are really impressive.

                                    May I ask, did you use a custom tube script or off the shelf solution?
                                    It was a custom tube script, honestly, a very poor one. A new one has been build and should be in place now.

                                    Originally posted by Oracle Porn
                                    p.s. I call bullshit on $40k on a 120k tube site with PURE SE traffic
                                    You can call it what you like. People that REALLY know me know what site it was i was managing/monitizing. Its not something i have to "prove". You not believing me is fine with me.

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                                    • Headless
                                      Registered User
                                      • Jan 2001
                                      • 26727

                                      #19
                                      I think I have the perfect tube domain

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                                      • Agent 488
                                        Registered User
                                        • Feb 2006
                                        • 22511

                                        #20
                                        freeporn.com?

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                                        • Headless
                                          Registered User
                                          • Jan 2001
                                          • 26727

                                          #21
                                          Lol no....

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                                          • Oracle Porn
                                            Affiliate
                                            • Oct 2002
                                            • 24433

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by mrfrisky
                                            It was a custom tube script, honestly, a very poor one. A new one has been build and should be in place now.



                                            You can call it what you like. People that REALLY know me know what site it was i was managing/monitizing. Its not something i have to "prove". You not believing me is fine with me.
                                            thats what I thought


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                                            • Jack Sparrow
                                              Almost goners..
                                              • May 2008
                                              • 11420

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Oracle Porn
                                              thats what I thought
                                              Good, glad we can agree on something

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                                              • Naechy
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                                                • Sep 2007
                                                • 6497

                                                #24
                                                You put a widget on the site, yes yes
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                                                • Agent 488
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                                                  • Feb 2006
                                                  • 22511

                                                  #25
                                                  really doubt freeporn.com was making 40k a month.

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                                                  • harvey
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Jul 2001
                                                    • 9266

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by lazycash
                                                    Does it differ from illegal tube monetization?
                                                    a lot. you're talking day and night here. for starters, unless you're investing huge amounts of money in content, you're left with only sponsors vids. This will affect traffic, bounce rate, conversions and also leaves you with less options. However, if properly done, some people is able to make more off this kind of traffic than with long videos. Then you have upgrades, premium members areas, freedom of using any kind of promotion you want, and so on. As sad as it sounds, one of the reasons for people to go with illegal content tubes is because content is free AND they can monetize it better on top of that
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                                                    • harvey
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                                                      • Jul 2001
                                                      • 9266

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by halfpint
                                                      if you have your own content and not affiliate content and want a gateway Have a look at

                                                      Adult Access Now

                                                      traffic: youtube, dailymotion, plugs, forums, chatr... u know the rest
                                                      no info at all in their site and they want me to give people access to premium areas while they charge the user or get money from sponsors? wait..... then why don't I charge them or get the money MYSELF?
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                                                      • IllTestYourGirls
                                                        Ah My Balls
                                                        • Feb 2007
                                                        • 14311

                                                        #28
                                                        Hey Frisky hit me up about OneClickTube.

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                                                        • Jack Sparrow
                                                          Almost goners..
                                                          • May 2008
                                                          • 11420

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Agent 488
                                                          really doubt freeporn.com was making 40k a month.
                                                          You doubting it doesnt make much difference. No offense, but people doubting anything without seeing stats etc. are mostly doubting things based on nothing.

                                                          Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls
                                                          Hey Frisky hit me up about OneClickTube.
                                                          Will do later on bro!

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                                                          • Oracle Porn
                                                            Affiliate
                                                            • Oct 2002
                                                            • 24433

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by mrfrisky
                                                            You doubting it doesnt make much difference. No offense, but people doubting anything without seeing stats etc. are mostly doubting things based on nothing.



                                                            Will do later on bro!
                                                            is freeporn.com the monetization you were talking about? wetdollars/sexsearch/celebsonly?


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                                                            • LoveSandra
                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                              • Aug 2008
                                                              • 10551

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by lazycash
                                                              Does it differ from illegal tube monetization?

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                                                              • redwhiteandblue
                                                                Bollocks
                                                                • Jun 2007
                                                                • 2793

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Oracle Porn
                                                                p.s. I call bullshit on $40k on a 120k tube site with PURE SE traffic
                                                                If he's talking 120k/day then at a CTR of 10% and earning $0.10/click it adds up.
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                                                                • halfpint
                                                                  GFY's Halfpint
                                                                  • Jun 2007
                                                                  • 15223

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by harvey
                                                                  no info at all in their site and they want me to give people access to premium areas while they charge the user or get money from sponsors? wait..... then why don't I charge them or get the money MYSELF?
                                                                  What on earth are you tralking about ? Have you even tried it out ? You get paid for the surveys... Its a way to make money without the surfer having to pull out his credit card.

                                                                  These are earnings taken from the chat

                                                                  has earned $31.00 so far today with 5 leads and 240 clicks.

                                                                  has earned $24.80 so far today with 4 leads and 173 clicks.

                                                                  has earned $31.31 so far today with 5 leads and 38 clicks

                                                                  The mainstream version has over 50k publishers and this adult one is new so they must be doing something right ?

                                                                  Log into the site even if you dont want to try it out and you will see exactly what I mean
                                                                  Last edited by halfpint; 05-01-2010, 02:27 AM.

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                                                                  • Oracle Porn
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                                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                                    • 24433

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by redwhiteandblue
                                                                    If he's talking 120k/day then at a CTR of 10% and earning $0.10/click it adds up.
                                                                    everything is so easy in THEORY!

                                                                    12k clicks from tube to sponsor give you a beer and a slice of pizza, 2 slices if u are lucky


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                                                                    • redwhiteandblue
                                                                      Bollocks
                                                                      • Jun 2007
                                                                      • 2793

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Oracle Porn
                                                                      everything is so easy in THEORY!

                                                                      12k clicks from tube to sponsor give you a beer and a slice of pizza, 2 slices if u are lucky
                                                                      OK. Those ratios match my own for one specific niche but on a much smaller scale so probably doesn't count.. Nah fuck it, tube traffic sucks.
                                                                      Last edited by redwhiteandblue; 05-01-2010, 02:41 AM.
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                                                                      • Jack Sparrow
                                                                        Almost goners..
                                                                        • May 2008
                                                                        • 11420

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by redwhiteandblue
                                                                        If he's talking 120k/day then at a CTR of 10% and earning $0.10/click it adds up.
                                                                        And that would be a low estimate.

                                                                        Originally posted by Oracle Porn
                                                                        everything is so easy in THEORY!

                                                                        12k clicks from tube to sponsor give you a beer and a slice of pizza, 2 slices if u are lucky
                                                                        Shows how much of a clue you have. None.
                                                                        Sorry dude, but you seem to think that anything with the word TUBE in it must suck. Hate to break it to you, but it doesnt.

                                                                        Much more involving factors.. not even going to explain. I thought you wanted to learn something but you dont obviously.

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                                                                        • redwhiteandblue
                                                                          Bollocks
                                                                          • Jun 2007
                                                                          • 2793

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by mrfrisky
                                                                          Sorry dude, but you seem to think that anything with the word TUBE in it must suck. Hate to break it to you, but it doesnt.

                                                                          Much more involving factors.. not even going to explain. I thought you wanted to learn something but you dont obviously.
                                                                          Do you think it's best to have the word "tube" in your domain or not? Or doesn't matter?
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                                                                          • Jack Sparrow
                                                                            Almost goners..
                                                                            • May 2008
                                                                            • 11420

                                                                            #38
                                                                            It doesnt matter much.
                                                                            Actually you are better of with a good keyworddomain.

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                                                                            • Davy
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Apr 2006
                                                                              • 4323

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by halfpint
                                                                              so they must be doing something right ?
                                                                              The homepage is under construction.
                                                                              The application timed out because the google api was not responding...
                                                                              They should be doing something better.
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                                                                              • TheDoc
                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                • Jul 2001
                                                                                • 13827

                                                                                #40
                                                                                While I don't own a legal tube worth two shits..... I help with a couple people that are a bit bigger than two shits.

                                                                                Research your titles before you create them to find subjects people already search for and/or a power term that produces money too. This way you're not targeting free loaders that have already been circle jerked for an hour already that aren't going to ever buy.

                                                                                And host your own geoip banners to keep the speed up on the ads and site.

                                                                                All I can think of at 6am on a Sat morning.
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                                                                                • Oracle Porn
                                                                                  Affiliate
                                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                                  • 24433

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by mrfrisky
                                                                                  And that would be a low estimate.



                                                                                  Shows how much of a clue you have. None.
                                                                                  Sorry dude, but you seem to think that anything with the word TUBE in it must suck. Hate to break it to you, but it doesnt.

                                                                                  Much more involving factors.. not even going to explain. I thought you wanted to learn something but you dont obviously.
                                                                                  you can talk the talk I give you that.
                                                                                  Learn, lol. like you've given any value to this thread other then chit chat. People hit me up on icq cuz of this thread to tell me you are full of shit lol.


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                                                                                  • Headless
                                                                                    Registered User
                                                                                    • Jan 2001
                                                                                    • 26727

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by mrfrisky
                                                                                    And that would be a low estimate.



                                                                                    Shows how much of a clue you have. None.
                                                                                    Sorry dude, but you seem to think that anything with the word TUBE in it must suck. Hate to break it to you, but it doesnt.

                                                                                    Much more involving factors.. not even going to explain. I thought you wanted to learn something but you dont obviously.
                                                                                    I'm all ears. Please explain.

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                                                                                    • Jack Sparrow
                                                                                      Almost goners..
                                                                                      • May 2008
                                                                                      • 11420

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by Oracle Porn
                                                                                      you can talk the talk I give you that.
                                                                                      Learn, lol. like you've given any value to this thread other then chit chat. People hit me up on icq cuz of this thread to tell me you are full of shit lol.
                                                                                      Oh really. Ask them how they know me or what i did or still do.
                                                                                      Or even better, tell us who these "people" are.

                                                                                      I bet you cant come up with one decent name. It will be "i respect their privacy im not gonna tell" bullshit lol.

                                                                                      Next thing will be you asking for screenshots of proof huh?

                                                                                      Why do i even care? Its fun to see people like you asking for advice then going in rantmode when you have the possibilty to talk to someone whos primary biz has been tubes

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                                                                                      • halfpint
                                                                                        GFY's Halfpint
                                                                                        • Jun 2007
                                                                                        • 15223

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by Davy
                                                                                        The homepage is under construction.
                                                                                        The application timed out because the google api was not responding...
                                                                                        They should be doing something better.
                                                                                        Its just over a month old, give them some time and it will be the same as cpalead which makes a lot of people a lot of money

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                                                                                        • xp-ViT
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                                                                                          #45
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                                                                                          • stever
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                                                                                            • Jul 2005
                                                                                            • 1716

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by mrfrisky
                                                                                            Oh really. Ask them how they know me or what i did or still do.
                                                                                            Or even better, tell us who these "people" are.

                                                                                            I bet you cant come up with one decent name. It will be "i respect their privacy im not gonna tell" bullshit lol.

                                                                                            Next thing will be you asking for screenshots of proof huh?

                                                                                            Why do i even care? Its fun to see people like you asking for advice then going in rantmode when you have the possibilty to talk to someone whos primary biz has been tubes
                                                                                            hey mrfrisky im just curious nothing more

                                                                                            but most tubes i see have very aggressive ads pops/player/hover banners/etc

                                                                                            but im not seeing any of that on the site in question so just wondering if you changed this recently or if it is still being monetized the same way as always?

                                                                                            wouldnt that more aggressive approach generate more CTR and more money?


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                                                                                            • Choker
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Apr 2001
                                                                                              • 9024

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              The days of making a tube site throwing a little traffic at it and getting massive bookies is over. Unless you have deep pockets I would not even consider a tube site at this point. If however you have a paysite program and own your own content a legal tube is the way to go. It's very hard to squeeze a profit out of a legal tube site unless your a program owner and use your own movies to upsell to your paysite and advertise dating sites on it also. And if your thinking of using less than full length movies on a tube site your just gonna waste a lot of time and money for nothing. Program owners using their content to advertise products other than just thier paysites are making money with tube sites.
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                                                                                              • Jack Sparrow
                                                                                                Almost goners..
                                                                                                • May 2008
                                                                                                • 11420

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by Choker
                                                                                                The days of making a tube site throwing a little traffic at it and getting massive bookies is over. Unless you have deep pockets I would not even consider a tube site at this point. If however you have a paysite program and own your own content a legal tube is the way to go. It's very hard to squeeze a profit out of a legal tube site unless your a program owner and use your own movies to upsell to your paysite and advertise dating sites on it also. And if your thinking of using less than full length movies on a tube site your just gonna waste a lot of time and money for nothing. Program owners using their content to advertise products other than just thier paysites are making money with tube sites.
                                                                                                Exactly!!

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                                                                                                • halfpint
                                                                                                  GFY's Halfpint
                                                                                                  • Jun 2007
                                                                                                  • 15223

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Choker
                                                                                                  The days of making a tube site throwing a little traffic at it and getting massive bookies is over. Unless you have deep pockets I would not even consider a tube site at this point. If however you have a paysite program and own your own content a legal tube is the way to go. It's very hard to squeeze a profit out of a legal tube site unless your a program owner and use your own movies to upsell to your paysite and advertise dating sites on it also. And if your thinking of using less than full length movies on a tube site your just gonna waste a lot of time and money for nothing. Program owners using their content to advertise products other than just thier paysites are making money with tube sites.
                                                                                                  I am seeing a niche tube site that only offers 2-3 min movies as teasers and they have a members area which offers the full length movies whith both credit card access and a free survey access I know he is making $$ cause I referred him and I am also making $$ from it.

                                                                                                  So in one way yes you need full length movies but you can still only offer teasers as an incentive to a members area with a tube site

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                                                                                                  • harvey
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                                                                                                    • Jul 2001
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by halfpint
                                                                                                    What on earth are you tralking about ? Have you even tried it out ? You get paid for the surveys... Its a way to make money without the surfer having to pull out his credit card.

                                                                                                    These are earnings taken from the chat

                                                                                                    has earned $31.00 so far today with 5 leads and 240 clicks.

                                                                                                    has earned $24.80 so far today with 4 leads and 173 clicks.

                                                                                                    has earned $31.31 so far today with 5 leads and 38 clicks

                                                                                                    The mainstream version has over 50k publishers and this adult one is new so they must be doing something right ?

                                                                                                    Log into the site even if you dont want to try it out and you will see exactly what I mean
                                                                                                    man, sorry, they can be the sweetest thing on Earth, but if they can't even hire someone to finish their own site, then that rings a bell. Seriously. Either they don't give a fuck, either they don't have the money to pay. And I still don't know why should I give people access to a premium area worth tens of dollars a month in exchange of a few cents. And since I don't see them explaining why should I do it..... simple maths.

                                                                                                    And comparing them to cpalead.com and mainstream traffic.... sorry, but if you can't see the differences, then I don't even know what to say. For starters, traffic is absolutely different. Getting 10 cents from Google Ads or Chitika or whatever or getting those 10 cents from cpalead makes no difference.

                                                                                                    the fact that Adult Access Now claims to be part of cpalead.com yet their whois don't match and cpalead.com says nothing about this relationship is weird to say the least. The differences about both sites (barring the logo) are day and night. And the list goes on and on and on

                                                                                                    Again, not saying they can't be legit, it's just that they failed miserably in building any credibility and simple logic tells me I should be crazy if I go $30 recurring value in exchange of a few cents. Simple maths.
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