So are cross sales now officially dead ??!!!

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  • PixelBucks
    Confirmed User
    • Sep 2008
    • 553

    #31
    Wrong...

    Originally posted by mynameisjim
    If you are cross selling all inside of one company, are you still allowed to have separate cancel pages? A big part of the cross selling was the inability to cancel all the different merchants which caused the trials to convert to fulls.

    A program will have hard time explaining why it's so hard to cancel different sites that are all owned by the same company and under the same merchant account.

    But I think Visa was getting heat from the FTC and they made this announcement to appease the FTC, not to protect consumers. I'd assume Visa makes money from this cross selling, if they were losing money, they would just stop it outright.
    To be fair the % of money VISA makes from Porn is negligable to the big picture... I heard they wouldnt really give a shit if they dropped it completly ! But who knows...
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    • Martin
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      • Dec 2001
      • 17277

      #32
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      • mynameisjim
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        • Aug 2007
        • 2985

        #33
        Originally posted by PixelBucks
        To be fair the % of money VISA makes from Porn is negligable to the big picture... I heard they wouldnt really give a shit if they dropped it completly ! But who knows...
        I've heard that too, but if it were true then Visa would drop adult, they have no responsibility to the adult community to continue processing just as a favor to all of us. Obviously it makes them enough money for it to be worth it.

        I think Visa says that as a negotiating tactic. The same way when you go to buy a car, you never say you love it. You say it's nice, but not really what you are looking for.

        If people think that what businesses say and what businesses really think are the same thing, they need more experience dealing with real business.
        Last edited by mynameisjim; 04-29-2010, 01:16 PM.
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        • PixelBucks
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          • Sep 2008
          • 553

          #34
          So...

          Is it...

          Option A : You cant do external cross sales at all period...

          or

          Option B : You can do external cross sales, but they must be on a serperate join page where the surfer as to re add his details ?

          And one we havent answered yet... is this just US accounts ? As I have said it appears this is a VISA INC ruling, not VISA GLOBAL ???
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          • PixelBucks
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            • Sep 2008
            • 553

            #35
            Yeah

            Originally posted by mynameisjim
            I've heard that too, but if it were true then Visa would drop adult, they have no responsibility to the adult community to continue processing just as a favor to all of us. Obviously it makes them enough money for it to be worth it.

            I think Visa says that as a negotiating tactic. The same way when you go to buy a car, you never say you love it. You say it's nice, but not really what you are looking for.

            If people think that what businesses say and what businesses really think are the same thing, they need more experience dealing with real business.
            I need to get out more
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            • Robbie
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              • Aug 2002
              • 20960

              #36
              Originally posted by PixelBucks
              Option B : You can do external cross sales, but they must be on a serperate join page where the surfer as to re add his details ?
              That's no longer a x-sell. That's just an advertisement or upsell.
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              • mynameisjim
                Confirmed User
                • Aug 2007
                • 2985

                #37
                That's why I said they were just feeling heat and put out this lip service

                In 2009, the U.S. Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation investigated the issue and merchants who use this practice.

                "I applaud Visa's decision to prohibit merchants from using 'data pass' marketing on its network," said Senator John D. (Jay) Rockefeller IV, Chairman of the U.S. Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation. "The Senate Commerce Committee's investigation showed that this aggressive marketing practice enabled unscrupulous e-commerce companies to scam millions of American consumers out of more than a billion dollars. Our Committee's investigation revealed how appalling this practice is and makes clear it should not be allowed - I'm glad to see Visa has reached the same conclusion."
                Read that last line. That's what you say when you've forced someone to do something.
                Last edited by mynameisjim; 04-29-2010, 01:22 PM.
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                • mynameisjim
                  Confirmed User
                  • Aug 2007
                  • 2985

                  #38
                  Originally posted by PixelBucks
                  I need to get out more
                  lol. I didn't mean you. For me personally, I've rarely read a corporate PR release that turned out to be 100% truth.
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                  • PixelBucks
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                    • Sep 2008
                    • 553

                    #39
                    Lol...

                    Originally posted by mynameisjim
                    lol. I didn't mean you. For me personally, I've rarely read a corporate PR release that turned out to be 100% truth.
                    Only playing I didnt take it personally, even though it was probably a fair comment lol...

                    So what are these BROgrams going to do now then, if that was the way they made their millions !!! just create a load of new programs and do internal cross sales ?
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                    • stever
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                      • Jul 2005
                      • 1716

                      #40
                      Originally posted by PixelBucks
                      Only playing I didnt take it personally, even though it was probably a fair comment lol...

                      So what are these BROgrams going to do now then, if that was the way they made their millions !!! just create a load of new programs and do internal cross sales ?
                      they all have been doing internal cross sales this whole time


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                      • Barefootsies
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                        • Feb 2005
                        • 42635

                        #41
                        Originally posted by PixelBucks
                        So are cross sales now officially dead ??!!!
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                        • The Porn Nerd
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                          • Jun 2009
                          • 19784

                          #42
                          Originally posted by mynameisjim
                          I've heard that too, but if it were true then Visa would drop adult, they have no responsibility to the adult community to continue processing just as a favor to all of us. Obviously it makes them enough money for it to be worth it.

                          I think Visa says that as a negotiating tactic. The same way when you go to buy a car, you never say you love it. You say it's nice, but not really what you are looking for.

                          If people think that what businesses say and what businesses really think are the same thing, they need more experience dealing with real business.
                          Just a quick scan of the top ten 'Brograms' and their stated revenues gets you to a giant chunk of change pretty quick. As a percentage Adult may be tiny but I don't think so - I think Adult actually accounts for a lot of Visa's business. Anyone have exact numbers ('exact' being relative) on what Visa processes vis a vis Adult?

                          (Heh - 'vis a vis' - Visa.)
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                          • PixelBucks
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                            • Sep 2008
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                            #43
                            Hmmmm...

                            Originally posted by MisterPeabody
                            Just a quick scan of the top ten 'Brograms' and their stated revenues gets you to a giant chunk of change pretty quick. As a percentage Adult may be tiny but I don't think so - I think Adult actually accounts for a lot of Visa's business. Anyone have exact numbers ('exact' being relative) on what Visa processes vis a vis Adult?

                            (Heh - 'vis a vis' - Visa.)
                            Your in for a surprise me thinks... I remember some one posting it before and Adult accounted for about 2% of VISA's transactions... imagine everything else that VISA is used for the millions of daily transactions across the world... if anything PORN as become more of a luxury purchase... where as every one from filling their car up, buying groceries, clothes, travel, ect ect... seriously it isnt a big %...

                            Why Visa stay in who knows... maybe money is money, the argument if they were that worried about their brand they would dump us makes sense... who knows...
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                            • PixelBucks
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                              • Sep 2008
                              • 553

                              #44
                              So...

                              So if the BROgrams knew this was coming, surely they did things to prepare for it ?

                              Now it's happened what does that mean for paying people out... ??? Now they lost their golden egg, sure that will have a knock on effect !

                              How many of them are going to come up with excuses not to payout ? Anyone had any problems so far... seem's the good old "We Got Problems With Our Bank" seems to be going around a lot, coincidence ?
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                                #45
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