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Kimmykim 12-29-2002 11:34 PM
FYI Carrie -- multiple month memberships are the single biggest point of reseller fraud in a program, usually because they pay alot more and don't recur as often...

Pornkings 12-29-2002 11:43 PM
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Originally posted by Kimmykim
FYI Carrie -- multiple month memberships are the single biggest point of reseller fraud in a program, usually because they pay alot more and don't recur as often...
And most of them chargeback no matter what you have inside
why because they can 0 tolerence

In phone sex we could record the voice of the guy so when his wife would call to complain about the charges we could play back her husbands voice

but right now we have no way of verifying without a sig thats why you need excellent customer support

Pornkings 12-29-2002 11:45 PM
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Originally posted by Carrie
There's only one site out there I would join today.
It isn't any of the big mega-sites... you kidding me? They've all got the same girls on the tours, which says "we've all got the same stuff inside". How many ways can you take that Matrix set of Skye in the blue outfit or Aria in the red patent leather and make a tour out of them? Surf around, you'll find out.

Trial? Don't make me laugh. I don't trust it - and that was BEFORE I became an adult webmaster. Tell me I'll pay $X for a yearly subscription or even a 6 month subscription, then you've got my attention. That tells me a few things:
1. The site plans to be around for a while
2. I'm getting some value for my money
Besides, from a webmaster's point of view - surfers are far more likely to forget about a bill that recurs in 6 months or 12 months than one that pops up on their statement every month.

Monthly fee? Hell no... I've got enough monthly bills. The minute you tell me it's $X per MONTH you've changed my line of thought from "damn I'm horny" to "oh shit, what bills do I have left this month? I'd better check the online bank statement..." and I'm gone.

Offer surfers a 3/6/12 month membership and you'll see wallets getting pulled out. It's what the customer *perceives*, not necessarily what you tell him or show him. Make him think he's getting a real deal and he'll hop on it. A trial membership or $1 membership doesn't say "deal", it says "you're gonna get burned on this, don't trust it".

Then again, I'm a spendthrift who gets horny, rather than a guy who's always horny and thinks with his little head before his big head.

Oh yeah, the only site I'd join? Nina's. Because it's so damn different and it SCREAMS personal attention and interaction. This isn't just some site where you can jerk off to the girl, this is a site where you can get to KNOW her by interacting with her on a regular basis. A lot of amateur sites have this angle, but they don't push it; instead they try to push themselves off as "just like the megasites but with a personal touch".

Just my :2 cents: ...I've not been in this so long that I can't see things from the surfer's point of view.

All of you guys arguing... it's a moot point. Different traffic converts and retains differently. People in different niches convert and retain differently. You can make a generalization about retention rates etc. but arguing over it is pointless unless you can take over your arguing opponent's sites and traffic and see things/change things for yourself.
How about this when they join our sites on a trial we give them a full year free to another members area even if they cancel.
mostly pics and upsell feeds but its free for a year.

And a $1 trial membership for a month doesn't say deal?
tell that to the 1000 surfers who join every day

Pornkings 12-29-2002 11:55 PM
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Originally posted by Kimmykim

ah yes, and if a frog had wings...
or if a pig could fly:winkwink:

Brad Mitchell 12-30-2002 01:22 AM
Great thread everyone... what a thoughtful read. :)

Brad

Pornkings 12-30-2002 02:36 AM
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Originally posted by Donnie Gangsta
the local phone company here has a neat trick....



It's no different in this biz.. I hate to be overly pragmatic and burst the bubbles of everyone who holds onto moral virtues and
Cuz the truth is surfers dont care and this whole industry is based on them forgetting to cancel.... I joined a site the other day to see members' area and forgot to cancel :) It's really easy and thats how we make money.. Btw, another good suggestion to keep your members is to make the prices for recurring really weird, so they won't notice it on their credit card bill.. like 39.82 instead of 39.99 .. Then they will think its just some charge.. etc.. billing companies will recommend you do this too :) It really helps.


Anyway.. just my :2 cents:
Don't give away all the secrets
yes it is smart to charge an off number like 37.48 because $39.99 is rare since there is always tax and its a good idea to keep it under $40

or another good one is $40 even so it looks like fast cash etc.:2 cents: :winkwink:

Kimmykim 12-30-2002 02:53 AM
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Originally posted by Pornkings


or if a pig could fly:winkwink:
LOL get on your knees and bark like a dog.

Then I'll start busting your balls again ;-}}}}

Pornkings 12-30-2002 03:00 AM
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Originally posted by Kimmykim


LOL get on your knees and bark like a dog.

Then I'll start busting your balls again ;-}}}}
I'll get on my knees and bark like a dog. if you get on your knees and S-@k my C*#k

Just messing I like it better this way.


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