WTF post: Moscow putting up posters honoring Stalin!

[Caligari]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100324/..._russia_stalin

"Posters of Josef Stalin may be put up in Moscow for the first time in decades as part of the May 9 observance of Victory Day ? the annual celebration of the defeat of Nazi Germany..."

Are we in bizarro world? Do people realize this psychotic tyrant killed more of his own people than Hitler killed jews? 10's of millions in Slave labor camps? WTF!?

Yes its great he helped stop Hitler, but the thug was just another mass murderer.

[Cyber Fucker]

Yeah, this is very common trend today. Russia and Ukraina rewrite their history to the new versions. So now bad guys like Joseph Stalin or Stepan Bandera who murdered millions innocent civilians are national heroes. While guys like Józef Piłsudski who fighted back Polish independence after 123 years unexistance on maps (divided by Austria, Germany, and Russia) are criminals.

[Agent 488]

was better times when the oiligarchs looted russia and left everyone else in a state of grinding penury.

[CaptainHowdy]

He was one of the greatest men that stepped on this earth...

[Caligari]

Originally Posted by Cyber Fucker

Yeah, this is very common trend today. Russia and Ukraina rewrite their history to the new versions. So now bad guys like Joseph Stalin or Stepan Bandera who murdered millions innocent civilians are national heroes. While guys like Józef Piłsudski who fighted back Polish independence after 123 years unexistance on maps (divided by Austria, Germany, and Russia) are criminals.

Good example, many governments rewriting history (or trying) on a daily basis. I'd like to read about some Russians' reactions when these posters are actually up. I would imagine there will be some opposition.

[Phoenix]

yeah the japanese changed their history books and what is taught in schools to make it look like they were not the aggressors

history is filled with such lies

[Caligari]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

yeah the japanese changed their history books and what is taught in schools to make it look like they were not the aggressors

history is filled with such lies

Aye, you would think they would take the other approach and say "look, the japanese (insert other govt here) government did some terrible things back in the day, and we want to make sure this doesn't happen again, so we will show you how bad it was."

nothing worse than hiding the historical truth, cuz it will repeat..

[Cyber Fucker]

And it's even more amazing to see and hear it now because Stalin was not only exterminating other nations but the most of his victims was... Russians themselves! I can understand the cult of Vladimir Lenin who wanted to do right but it ended wrong, but things that did Stalin are unacceptable in any way.

[seeandsee]

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

He was one of the greatest men that stepped on this earth...

he fucked hitler :F

[Caligari]

Originally Posted by seeandsee

he fucked hitler :F

His sexual proclivities have little to do with this;)

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Caligari

Aye, you would think they would take the other approach and say "look, the japanese (insert other govt here) government did some terrible things back in the day, and we want to make sure this doesn't happen again, so we will show you how bad it was."

nothing worse than hiding the historical truth, cuz it will repeat..

what country are you from?

[baddog]

I was talking to some young Russian's the other day, and they could not refrain from telling me how much they adored Stalin. I thought they were just messing around, but maybe not.

[CDSmith]

Will they also be having an "Ivan the Terrible Day"? Let the festivities begin.

Here's an interesting top 10 list.... The top 10 most evil men in history

Note that Stalin is listed AHEAD of the horrible guy Hitler.

[mayabong]

We have a G W Bush Airport....

Hawaii has statues of their Killer King everywhere.



People love killers.. haha

[Serge Litehead]

outlook on Stalin with Russian mentally

we have to accept the fact that he is part of our history, any sane Russian recognizes Stalin as very harsh fearful dictator, power not to mess with. whole nation was on its knees
at the same time he would bring hope to the masses and was great organizer and leader
should Russians just erase Stalin from their history? i'm not justifying idea of his posters without knowing first hand how they are thinking to display them but Stalin will always associate with ww2 and post war period rebuilding USSR
no one in their right mind would want to wish Stalin back for any other generations
although there are some, few hard core fans of Stalin era who believe to make things go forward you need hard iron hand to control it to make it happen.

[Serge Litehead]

btw Russians don't judge dead people - its a cultural thing.

[Caligari]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

what country are you from?

US, i noticed you're in vancouver you lucky devil! one of my favorite big cities, tried to get in there once upon a time but they booted me arse out. i used to kayak around the islands, unbelievable.

we have to accept the fact that he is part of our history, any sane Russian recognizes Stalin as very harsh fearful dictator, power not to mess with. whole nation was on its knees
at the same time he would bring hope to the masses and was great organizer and leader
should Russians just erase Stalin from their history? i'm not justifying idea of his posters without knowing first hand how they are thinking to display them but Stalin will always associate with ww2 and post war period rebuilding USSR
no one in their right mind would want to wish Stalin back for any other generations
although there are some, few hard core fans of Stalin era who believe to make things go forward you need hard iron hand to control it to make it happen.

interesting perspective, how do people in general feel about Putin right now?
i get many mixed reports/opinions on him and the US media doesn't help.

[Serge Litehead]

Originally Posted by Caligari

US, i noticed you're in vancouver you lucky devil! one of my favorite big cities, tried to get in there once upon a time but they booted me arse out. i used to kayak around the islands, unbelievable.




interesting perspective, how do people in general feel about Putin right now?
i get many mixed reports/opinions on him and the US media doesn't help.

there are mixed feelings about Putin even among Russians. for instance my parents think with any Russian government - don't expect anything good of it. some people love him some people hate him.
personally I think Putin is great and that Russia been very lucky having him as president and prime-minister. I look from relative perspective, what if instead of Putin Russia had someone else - Russia or world at whole might have been at worst and in danger. in my eyes one of the great achievement of Putin administration is that during his service Russia got rid of it's national debt and was able to sustain its economy, with out him whole Russia might have been stolen and sold of apart and risking nukes getting in wrong hands.
its a long way for Russia to go from 90% or more corruption to democracy. i think they're moving in the right direction.

[hypedough]

If you're surprised by this you're obviously not Russian.

[O MARINA]

Originally Posted by Caligari

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100324/..._russia_stalin

"Posters of Josef Stalin may be put up in Moscow for the first time in decades as part of the May 9 observance of Victory Day ? the annual celebration of the defeat of Nazi Germany..."

Are we in bizarro world? Do people realize this psychotic tyrant killed more of his own people than Hitler killed jews? 10's of millions in Slave labor camps? WTF!?

Yes its great he helped stop Hitler, but the thug was just another mass murderer.

I like your post and your thread
I would like a chance to speak to you about working together, and not just Stalin

[CaptainHowdy]

Originally Posted by seeandsee

he fucked hitler :F

Yeah, I want to know capitalism's death toll...

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Caligari

US, i noticed you're in vancouver you lucky devil! one of my favorite big cities, tried to get in there once upon a time but they booted me arse out. i used to kayak around the islands, unbelievable.

yea i grew up sailing the islands here Sorry to hear about the booting!

My basic point here, bullshit aside, is the 'victors write the history'.. rule of thumb

[free seo]

what are you talking about, he defeated the Nazis, the man is a hero

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by holograph

outlook on Stalin with Russian mentally

we have to accept the fact that he is part of our history, any sane Russian recognizes Stalin as very harsh fearful dictator, power not to mess with. whole nation was on its knees
at the same time he would bring hope to the masses and was great organizer and leader
should Russians just erase Stalin from their history? i'm not justifying idea of his posters without knowing first hand how they are thinking to display them but Stalin will always associate with ww2 and post war period rebuilding USSR
no one in their right mind would want to wish Stalin back for any other generations
although there are some, few hard core fans of Stalin era who believe to make things go forward you need hard iron hand to control it to make it happen.

we germans don't "erase" Hitler from our history either - but we don't put up posters of him

[Davy]

Originally Posted by Caligari

Yes its great he helped stop Hitler, but the thug was just another mass murderer.

Dude, in case you did not know: there's statues of Lenin and Stalin all over Russia.
A few more of them in poster form won't hurt anybody there.

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

we germans don't "erase" Hitler from our history either - but we don't put up posters of him

everything retro comes back as a fad some day, when are the germans gonna start redecorating?

[Caligari]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

yea i grew up sailing the islands here Sorry to hear about the booting!

My basic point here, bullshit aside, is the 'victors write the history'.. rule of thumb

aye, i will get back there one day, the islands rule, some nice ones on the US side too, just a killer area. And the inside passage...holy shite.
But the thing about victors writing history is that, we know the truth about Stalin as does most of the world. That will not be re-written. He slaughtered millions of his own people. Its just a fact.

Dude, in case you did not know: there's statues of Lenin and Stalin all over Russia.
A few more of them in poster form won't hurt anybody there.

Yes but they were existing statues from many years back, putting up new posters of the guy is amazing to me.

everything retro comes back as a fad some day, when are the germans gonna start redecorating?

Isn't that a photo of a town hall meeting in Idaho? ;)

[xmas13]

Well..............

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat

everything retro comes back as a fad some day, when are the germans gonna start redecorating?

if that would happen in Germany they would arrest about everyone who's standing there. using the swastika out of historical/scientific context is a felony

[Serge Litehead]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

we germans don't "erase" Hitler from our history either - but we don't put up posters of him

i'm not saying these posters are good idea, but there are many elderly people who fought and strongly believe they won due to Stalin's leadership, they associate victory with him

if you would start praising Nazis now it would show that you approve world domination and dictatorship.
Russian people (minority) bringing up Stalin image only shows how difficult time it was and what kind of leader it took to ironically unite people get through it.
i'm not condoning Stalin, he was a fierce dictator.

[Tjeezers]

Insane...

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Cyber Fucker

Yeah, this is very common trend today. Russia and Ukraina rewrite their history to the new versions

Sounds like a total bullshit from a person who knows nothing about real life in Russia. Now let me explain the real situation.

The mayor of Moscow Mr. Luzhkov decided to put a few posters of Stalin for the Victory Day celebration (May 9th). Actually there will be dozens of WWII posters and only a couple of them will contain the image of Stalin. However(!!!!!!!!!) everyone knows that EXACTLY THESE few posters will be filmed and photographed by the foreign press and every news channel will scream: "RUSSIA GOES BACK TO THE STALIN'S TIMES!!!"

Of course this is not that the Russian president (Mr. Medvedev) want to see/hear. So he has asked Luzhkov to revoke his decision about posters of Stalin. But Luzhkov denied to do that. I saw his interview on central Russian TV. He says what he consciously decided to bring up a few posters of Stalin and he won't get back, because "he don't see any problem with them".

Mr. Luzhkov always been some kind of opposition to so-called St. Petersburg clan (Putin, Medvedev etc). So as for me, it seems that he is just gonna put Medvedev and Putin into some sloppy position. Why? I don't know. This is just dirty politics.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by cyberxxx

Sounds like a total bullshit from a person who knows nothing about real life in Russia. Now let me explain the real situation.

The mayor of Moscow Mr. Luzhkov decided to put a few posters of Stalin for the Victory Day celebration (May 9th). Actually there will be dozens of WWII posters and only a couple of them will contain the image of Stalin. However(!!!!!!!!!) everyone knows that EXACTLY THESE few posters will be filmed and photographed by the foreign press and every news channel will scream: "RUSSIA GOES BACK TO THE STALIN'S TIMES!!!"

Of course this is not that the Russian president (Mr. Medvedev) want to see/hear. So he has asked Luzhkov to revoke his decision about posters of Stalin. But Luzhkov denied to do that. I saw his interview on central Russian TV. He says what he consciously decided to bring up a few posters of Stalin and he won't get back, because "he don't see any problem with them".

Mr. Luzhkov always been some kind of opposition to so-called St. Petersburg clan (Putin, Medvedev etc). So as for me, it seems that he is just gonna put Medvedev and Putin into some sloppy position. Why? I don't know. This is just dirty politics.

i guess only a few are ok..lol why put any at all if they don't want any focus on it?

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

i guess only a few are ok..lol why put any at all if they don't want any focus on it?

The answer depends on who are "THEM". Luzhkov has an old beef on Medvedev and Putin, so he want to bring those posters up in order to make focus on them. This will be a serious hit by the reputation of country and personally Medvedev and Putin. This is what Luzhkov want to do. As I told above, he denied to revoke his decision. Major of Moscow is a very serious player in Russian politics and he knows what he's doing...

[The Sultan Of Smut]

Originally Posted by Caligari

His sexual proclivities have little to do with this;)

[RedGlamourStudio]

Originally Posted by Davy

Dude, in case you did not know: there's statues of Lenin and Stalin all over Russia.

I live in Ru and I know - statues of Lenin - yes, statues of Stalin - not. But you can see many statues of Stalin in Gori (Georgia)

[Caligari]

Originally Posted by RedGlamourStudio

I live in Ru and I know - statues of Lenin - yes, statues of Stalin - not. But you can see many statues of Stalin in Gori (Georgia)

Thanks for that bit of information, and nice avatar btw. Russian Girls really knock me out they leave the west behind;)

[CaptainHowdy]

Originally Posted by holograph

btw Russians don't judge dead people - its a cultural thing.

Another reason to love Russia...

[tranza]

history is filled with lies

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Davy

Dude, in case you did not know: there's statues of Lenin and Stalin all over Russia.

ORLY?

According to this thread I can admit: people know shit about Russia but every FOX-brainwashed "expert" here thinks he's got a clue.

[just a punk]

http://translate.google.com/translat...ml&sl=ru&tl=en

[LoveSandra]

Originally Posted by holograph

btw Russians don't judge dead people - its a cultural thing.

[SCORE Ralph]

Originally Posted by cyberxxx

http://translate.google.com/translat...ml&sl=ru&tl=en

Thread killer!

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

if that would happen in Germany they would arrest about everyone who's standing there. using the swastika out of historical/scientific context is a felony

now that is some nazi shit. they havent learned anything.

you cant even display a swastika??? LOL



at least in America we are free to display any sign we want, wow

[ShellyCrash]

Originally Posted by holograph

there are mixed feelings about Putin even among Russians. for instance my parents think with any Russian government - don't expect anything good of it. some people love him some people hate him.
personally I think Putin is great and that Russia been very lucky having him as president and prime-minister. I look from relative perspective, what if instead of Putin Russia had someone else - Russia or world at whole might have been at worst and in danger. in my eyes one of the great achievement of Putin administration is that during his service Russia got rid of it's national debt and was able to sustain its economy, with out him whole Russia might have been stolen and sold of apart and risking nukes getting in wrong hands.
its a long way for Russia to go from 90% or more corruption to democracy. i think they're moving in the right direction.

This is pretty straight up, thanks for sharing.

I have a few friends from Russia and Ukraine and its very VERY hard to talk politics so we usually don't. Most Russians have a strong sense of nationalism so they take criticism of Putin to heart, even if at their core they may agree or see your point. Also Bush has made some MAJOR international missteps and committed his own crimes as well, so any discussion of Putin immediatly turns to "What about Bush!?", and I don't have alot of defense for that.

[Caligari]

Originally Posted by Ralph - GetScoreCash

Thread killer!

yes you are correct "Moscow has refused to posters with Stalin"

and yet somehow...

[Nodtveidt]

That list of 10 most evil men is interesting, but I don't think Stalin should be #1. I'm not 100% sure about putting him higher than Hitler either...though I guess maybe that was justified, but just barely. Vlad Ţepeş was far more evil, and even Ivan IV was worse. It seems as if the list is simply ordered by "number of people slaughtered", which is a pretty bad way to do it. Attila should have been much higher on the list as well, and I'm not sure Idi Amin Dada even belongs on the list.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by ShellyCrash

I have a few friends from Russia and Ukraine and its very VERY hard to talk politics so we usually don't. Most Russians have a strong sense of nationalism so they take criticism of Putin to heart, even if at their core they may agree or see your point.

Sorry but this sounds like a total B/S. Saying "I have a few friends from Russia" and "Most Russians have" is something like "I saw Bush Jr. on TV and spoke to a few morons on GFY, so I know that most of Americans are idiots". Sounds pretty stupid isn't it?

I'm Russian and I DO NOT LIKE PUTIN, but I also think there were no other candidatures for a president's chair since 1991 (even the first Russian persistent Boris Yeltsin was a pure shame for my country). I know people who loves Putin and who hates him. So what?

Russia is not the USSR anymore and everyone has his/her own right to think what he/she want. However I can assure you, even in the USSR is wasn't really different. Everyone was joking on old and useless Brezhnev and the Communist Party in whole. In fact Soviet people just pretend. They pretended that they love Brezhnev, they pretended that they love Communist Party, they pretended that there is no corruption/prostitution/gambling/porn/organized crime in Soviet Union, they pretended that they are working etc. This is why the Soviet Union has collapsed in 1991. Those who think that Soviet Union was defeated by the United States are idiots because this is nothing than just a myth.

[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Will they also be having an "Ivan the Terrible Day"? Let the festivities begin.

Here's an interesting top 10 list.... The top 10 most evil men in history

Note that Stalin is listed AHEAD of the horrible guy Hitler.

That list = FAIL.

It doesn't even include Mao Zedong or Che Guevara.

Though Che's body count wasn't as high as the others he was one of the most sadistic mass murderers to ever live. Yet retards walk around with him on their t-shirts like he is some sort of rock star or something.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by EonBlue

That list = FAIL.

Exactly. What an idiot made it? Stalin is the most evil man just because of "Under Stalin’s leadership, the Ukraine suffered from a famine (Holodomor) so great it is considered by many to be an act of genocide on the part of Stalin’s government." WTF???

First of all, the so-called "Holodomor" was initiated by the local Ukrainian Communists but not by Stalin. Also, not only Ukrainians has died because of starvation. Whole country has suffered of it.

This World is full of idiots. That's is not bad actually, because they are weak and every person with a brain can use them for his own profit. 10% of normal people rule another 90% herd.