doubt it,They will roll out tiers and tiers of regulations until it seems impossible they cant control us scummy fucks lol... I give that 3-4 years... I do agree with the cutting of rebilling

Arthur Anderson?

shit... i have password protection!

let me think on this for a sec...

Hope you have someone else to handle your members area design for you.

I got that from clicking a link in your members area, genius.

Sad day when the lowly 'tgp posters' have to tell a 'program owner' how to correctly assemble a paysite.

:2 cents:

Keep banking on that.

Are you this much of an idiot.

we feature the mature content then we have all our other content in the members section for when they get tired of mature most surfers are just curious when they join so we give them everything.
And its a $1 trial for a month then turns into a full memebership
Never ending pop ups in members are you crazy.

any webmaster who wants to see our members section is welcome we have more content then most. just shoot me an email and check it out for free I'm not worried.


my first reply I will continue to read

Although the thread started with Roger, I did not refer to him. I have no idea nor specific interest in his sites. My comment was a generic commentary on the industry and a prediction for 2003. You might also be correct, if you are it is time for all of us to seek new vocations.

I do believe you can find a sweet spot that provides adult content to adults who will believe enough in the value that a significant percentage will renew without autorenewals. To do that you need quality not necessarily quantity and good customer support. Sounds like real business and it is.

As to the future with the charge card companies your crystal ball is as good as mine meaning neither of us know for sure but either scenario is possible.

Incidently did you ever make the move back to AZ?

wow.. you are an asshole.. you are going to talk shit just cause one link isnt working? Is it possible that I am only human, and have 12 sites to manage?
idiot.

what kind of member's area is this?
only leased feeds and upsells....

if as a surfer i ever joined i would certainly charge back....

leased content is supposed to be a bonus not the whole content of a site in my opinion

so what to turn to? checking as the only primary billing? Something new on the horizon you're aware of?

xxxpix is not our members section but a 404 error page for hacks

and our sites are not free its a $1 trial for a month that rebills at a full price after a month

No problem I will show any webmaster our members sections
we don't rip our customers off or any webmasters
infact we give them a month trial for a $1 what more do you want.

we have enough content inside to keep them busy for months daily. and our chargebacks and credits are under 1%

we have been doing paysites for 7 years I think we understand what we are doing.

"You don't have permission to access /members/videos/ on this server. "

... it´s the only error there is, nice membersection, pretty much like ours ...

" I have been inside some of pornkings sites before.. and i think you are confused on something..

I think the popup you got was from a delayed timed exit.. there is not actual consoles inside his members areas.. that popup was from the tour.. MANY MANY sponsors use delayed timed exits.. I think perhaps roger overlooked this by not disabling the popup if they joined...

You are bashing a program that makes alot of money, and pays on time.. and DOES offer the content they say they are offering.. Who cares if you have teen content in a mature sites.. as long as you ALSO offer mature content.. the more content the better right? And what they charge per month is moot at this point, cause its a pay per signup program.

Also, they are no longer your customer once they leave your page and went to rogers site. Are you a customer service spokesman or a business man/girl? Rogers sites are golden compared to 85-90% of the shit out there today. "

... fucking hell, 800 posts of pure crap and bullshit and out of a suddend this guy starts making sense ... never make your judgements too fast, me enjoyed that post !!

lol all my posts have been crap? come on man!

I have had atleast 5 good posts in my career as p1mpdogg :)

I was under the impression that once the surfer purchases a membership to the SPONSOR'S site that they are the SPONSOR'S customer. The sponsor is responsible for surfer support, content, billing, and any other problems that may arise. You are not...thus the surfer is their customer, not yours.

However, the surfer IS yours up until you send him somewhere else. If you do not agree with a sponsor runs his or her program, then it is your responsibility to not send your surfer there.

You don't like it, then don't send your traffic there, simple as that. If you can't find a sponsor that you do like, then you can go get a domain, find reliable hosting, pay for the site and banner design, buy the content, set up the billing, build the member's areas, build the exit structure, answer all complaints from your customers, update the member's areas, deal with spam complaints from your affiliates spamming your site, deal with fraud, absorb your own chargebacks, pay for your hosting, pay for your bandwidth, deal with uunet, track your upsells, promote it, pay your graphics designers, programmers, PR and marketing people, oh, and I almost forgot: Try to make a profit.

:)

exactly funkmaster

Infact I'm proud of our members section how do you think I can give them a $1 trial for a month 45% rebill after the month.

infact this is just one of the ezines in our members section 5% of the content we have in our members section


we are going to start updating this ezine again and we are giving this to our webmasters for free
http://www.strokemag.com/members/
the first 5 links in nav bar are upsells the issue's have a ton of content we updated it for 2 years and stopped a while back
this only refeclts 5% of the content inside

if someone wants to see the members section no prob but we pay you on trial no active or revshare

... well, it reads 802 under your nick ... that still leaves you with 2 decent posts ... maybe "800 posts of crap&bullshit" was a bad call ... make that 780 ... hahaha ...

Hey Roger, where did you get all the horoscopes?

I am looking for something like that.

http://www.strokemag.com/gallery/mag...pornoscope.php

http://www.strokemag.com/gallery/mag...pornoscope.php

Have you seen our members section they get there money's worth.

plus most surfers will cancel no matter what. we have had members sections with every single piece of content and some with barely any and it didn't matter

plus we have had exclusive amateurs with them chatting and it didn't retain more.

the only company that I know of that has more content then us is FM's sites he buys everyone's content.

If you honestly think chargebacks/refunds/ratios aren't tracked by account on a PPS you can continue to send hits to sites that offer nothing in the way of content (or all plugin content that is listed on millions of other sites) you are out of your mind. Pimpdogg's site is a good example of that, except he removed the pw access after I pointed out the errors. Should really clean your own house before you try to show it off.

Sending good surfers to sites that suck will result in refunds/chargebacks. They will be passed along to you in the form of account termination, shaving sales to make up for refunds, etc. I don't see anyone who runs a program with exclusive content sticking up for PornKings. If you want to cut costs and go with common plugins, broken links, and tons of upsells, be our guest. But don't expect to be praised for the quality of your sites.

:2 cents:

The truly forward looking site owners have been diversifying their billing processes for the past year, credit cards are not the be all, end all of the business model you know.

Before there were cc's online, there was porn online, and after the cc's are gone, the porn won't be. That much I will promise you.

probono, I'm back in Phoenix, have been for a couple weeks, where are you again?

As for the gripes about Rogers site -- let's all contemplate this point.

At least Rog is smart enough to put as much content into his sites as possible. It is FAR WORSE, MUCH WORSE, for a surfer to buy a membership and find out a site has 2000 pics and 10 videos and this is what he's being billed 30 bucks a month for, than to have a site with additional content that's not identical to what the tour promised, provided there is adequate content to satisfy the tour claims.

Surfers are a curious lot, if they weren't then why in the hell would guys taking a straight tour click on a gay link off the exit console????

I keep forgetting to push Rogers programs. This thread reminded me, THANKS!

:thumbsup

Trust me I will

I'll be the first to test it out. and post how it converts.

surfers have plenty of time to cancel if they are unhappy they have a month damn.

And I will say it again use our Program. LOL
Best conversions on the net.

I had someone wake me up for this.

Any webmaster talking shit right now I would be more than happy to have a contest on our members sections with. lets see who can talk the talk. I'm not worried

the battle of the members sections who's on?

thats for us to know and you to find out.:Graucho

In Tucson. I would enjoy buying you lunch and learning a bit about your perspective on the future. We have been at this in our own quiet way for seven years and still have a great deal to learn.

Drop me a note with your email at lee at dreamnet.com

Right on:thumbsup

probono, you've got mail :)

Fletch sign up and I'll give you stroke mag for free.
its not the greatest but it has a lot of content that will help your retention stroke mag goes deep and we are going to start updating it again in 2003.remember stokemag is only 5% of our content inside our members section

I will find out where we got the horoscopes on monday for you.
hit me up on ICQ to remind me 161759738

Marks'...I'm still waiting on an explanation of your"questionable" T & C's. And as far as showing you my sites...go to Dannicash. That's who I use...no trials...no b.s. and top rate quality. And pure rev share.

The rest of my traffic I actually do send to History Killer / Popup Killer sites.

My own small site that I tried was also a no b.s. $9.95 a month site. And my ad was a complete and accurate screen shot of the members area. But, I can make more using Danni's sites..so why bother.

So go ahead...start digging for dirt...

you send to dannicash or use there members section I don't get it?

whats your retention on $9.95 a month and who do you process with?
I have a small site as well megaporn.com which is $6.95 a month no BS.

lets put both our members sections up and see what the webmasters prefer your 9.95 0r our $6.95
this way we can put all this to rest just a little competetion are you up for it?

No.

Nothing is free.

I was just looking for the content place or wherever man.

I rather set up my own email script and do my own ezine. I have more content than I need right now, I have toonist friends, writer friends I dont need to give my traffic away man.

;)

Uh oh.. shit, I knew I forgot to do something this month.. :winkwink:

That's possible ... I behaved just like an ordinary surfer .... those usually don't care where the pop-up was coming from.

I never complained about their behaviour towards webmasters but towards their customers.

Legally spoken you are right. But with every banner ad I am kind of recommending something so I am somewhat responsible too.
Sad enough.

"Marks'...I'm still waiting on an explanation of your"questionable" T & C's. And as far as showing you my sites...go to Dannicash. That's who I use...no trials...no b.s. and top rate quality. And pure rev share. "

... what the hell is questionable about the t&t´s ... it says 24h ... that´s onethousandandfourty minutes of time to cancle ...

how about a url of your sites big boy ??

You are welcome.

Maybe just as crazy as an average customer of yours.

Pornking, I would really appreciate discussing this in a business-like manner and omitting any personal offences.

It's a link from your member' area ... very much on the top ... and what the heck are those "hacks"you are talking about??

Just what I said.

I send my traffic to dannicash. My own website is something I play with now and then. It's 100% holio feeds... But the dannicash sites are my bread and butter. And the popup killer /history killer software is also a nice suppliment.

And retention....I don't do rebills...I actually send out an email saying "your membership is about to expire - do you want to renew". They have to renew, it is not automatic. Some do, some don't.

But, anyhow, my whole purpose of posting on threads like this is because the business tactics of many of the webmasters (a polite way of saying thiefs) is disgusting. And I don't do anything "for what the webmasters prefer" nor do I care what you do, unless it's scamming. My business is for the customers..and I treat them like gold.

That's exactly what I have been doing for 2 years now. :)
Still I am looking for sponsors to convert part of the traffic that does not subscribe to our site.

"My business is for the customers..and I treat them like gold."

... yes, we know that by now ... so please post some url from where your traffic is going to dannis ... but hey, you won´t ... will ya ?

But your trial is only for 1 day ( you still haven't confirmed if that is 24 hours - or at the end of day, as in midnight.),...Even if it is 24 hours, your T & C's say they have to cancel 24 hours before end of trial...So, are you saying they have to cancel at the same second they take out the membership...hmm something doesn't compute here.


And which part of the above paragraph was beyond the processing power of your pea like brain....I use Dannicash...that's who I send traffic to...[url]www.dannicash.com[url] ... check out there programs...surf away big boy

then don't make false accusations.

we don't have endless pop ups and we don't have pop ups in our members sections.

we have more content and exclusive content then most sites out there and we give them a $1 Trial for a month.

what type of sponsor are you looking for.
we have great sites, a great promotion and we convert the best what more do you need.

if you wanted to discuss this in a business type manner you could have emailed me,ICQ,AIM or called me. all my contact info is on pornkings.com.

your card must have declined and you got our 404. we don't have xxxpix in our members area did it look like this
www.xxxpix.com if it did you got declined and got our members section with all upsells

Mark...here is the url...since you seem to have a hard time figuring out that Dannicash is an affiliate program....
Check it out...no trials...no pop-ups...no cross sells...and awesome quality. A good example of how the adult industry should be run....

http://www.danni.com/directors/dannicash?dcwid=

In fact I paid by PayPal ... subscription was confirmed.
I just wanted to check back but username doesn't work any more ... what a coincidence.

"Even if it is 24 hours, your T & C's say they have to cancel 24 hours before end of trial.."

... well, than we will change that to "within", thanks for letting me know ...

... hahaha, you don´t get it, do you?

I would like to see one of your own domains, you know a website where traffic hits before it get´s to danni´s. is this so hard to understand, or have you got something to hide??

I dont understand you.. Are you with some civil rights group or anti e-commerce group or something? wtf is your problem with making money? I look at your site for 9.95 a month.. and I KNOW you are not making money.. atleast not enough to live on and pay your bills... Im not guessing either.

What is so hard to understand about this being a business?

businesses usually try and make profit.. not the other way around. This is no different than real life everyday joe on the street selling hotdogs.. the hotdog is 99 cents.. but you gott buy the ketcup/mustard.. napkins and a drink right? Many fast food places now charge for condiments (sp*?)

my point is.. NOTHING is what it seems.. there is true deception.. and there is creative marketing/advertising.. the 2 are different. But you seem to have failed either economics or business class... because you sure have a problem with profitablilty.

Amazing jenny, all these passwords magically disappearing!

Sponsors name-calling, scrambling to fix all the errors their thousands of members see on a daily basis (right before they charge back.)

Good thread, a shame it has been dominated by a select few who all use the same types of deceptive marketing practices.

:)

I don't have a problem with your specific program (though I was ready to promote it ... that's why all that started); as the subject of this thread reads, it's about the industry as a whole.

Pornking, I am sure your program is good for webmasters and not the worst for customers and I dont question your honesty.

Nevertheless, I am sure our industry will change significantly over the next few years (if not months) and programs like yours will not survive (I have no doubt you are going to run another successful program by that time though).