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  • PR_Dave
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    • Jul 2003
    • 2792

    #1

    Attention EX-GF content producers! Most of you suck....

    How can we use any of your content when you shoot everything in the same location?

    Do all the self shot pics in the same bathroom.

    Come on guys, know your market. What are we supposed to tell members? These are all EX-GFs of 1 guy?

    Also passing off your shitty content as ex-gf is also lame.

  • Barefootsies
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    • Feb 2005
    • 42635

    #2
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    • JFK
      FUBAR the ORIGINATOR
      • Jan 2002
      • 67373

      #3
      Originally posted by PR_Dave
      How can we use any of your content when you shoot everything in the same location?

      Do all the self shot pics in the same bathroom.

      Come on guys, know your market. What are we supposed to tell members? These are all EX-GFs of 1 guy?

      Also passing off your shitty content as ex-gf is also lame.

      yeah, the guy was a real Stud

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      • Bryan G
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        • Aug 2005
        • 8338

        #4
        that was my washroom!
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        • gleem
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          • Jun 2001
          • 5593

          #5
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          • J. Falcon
            www.AdultCopywriters.com
            • May 2006
            • 31645

            #6
            Originally posted by PR_Dave
            How can we use any of your content when you shoot everything in the same location?

            Do all the self shot pics in the same bathroom.

            Come on guys, know your market. What are we supposed to tell members? These are all EX-GFs of 1 guy?

            Also passing off your shitty content as ex-gf is also lame.

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            • Dugan
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              • Nov 2003
              • 856

              #7
              Originally posted by Platinum Bryan
              that was my washroom!
              thanks for letting me use the place with my girlfriends.

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              • troncarver
                Confirmed User
                • Nov 2006
                • 1584

                #8
                Originally posted by gleem
                Welcome to my world... I have extra exclusive if you need some Dave, or you can just gimme a pile of cash for my proggie
                hahahahaha that made me laugh
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                • Jack Sparrow
                  Almost goners..
                  • May 2008
                  • 11420

                  #9
                  I will rearange my bathroom a little next time. Kthx.

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                  • PR_Dave
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                    • Jul 2003
                    • 2792

                    #10
                    Originally posted by gleem
                    Welcome to my world... I have extra exclusive if you need some Dave, or you can just gimme a pile of cash for my proggie
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                    • Jim_Gunn
                      Confirmed User
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 5702

                      #11
                      Good observation. I put watermarked gallleries of my EX-GF content on my site (see sig) so potential customers can see the images, models & locations and know exactly what they would be licensing.

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                      • Si
                        Such Fun!
                        • Feb 2008
                        • 13900

                        #12
                        Good point!

                        I've only got 2 bathrooms so I guess I can only ever make 2 sets

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                        • JP-pornshooter
                          Confirmed User
                          • Sep 2006
                          • 4007

                          #13
                          traditional producers have no idea how to shoot this content, myself included.
                          when i ask my client how they want it or give samples they direct me to a website with a hugely varied type ex gf content, didnt help me one bit.
                          so i asked more questions and as it turns out, content buyers are expecting the model in several different outfits and locations situations.. girl next door styles etc.
                          in this case less is more, meaning something everyone thinks is easy and cheap to produce actually become more difficult, more time consuming and more expensive...
                          cannot use same location over and over
                          model in different outfits / situation = time consuming and extra $$ to the model

                          me not trying to be difficult, just bringing this to attention so buyers are aware.
                          "Obscenity is whatever gives the Judge an erection." -- Author Unknown

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                          • Pipecrew
                            Master of Gfy.com
                            • Feb 2002
                            • 14888

                            #14
                            You are 100% right.

                            Luckily with the economy the way it is, most of these useless ones are being weeded out anyways.

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                            • The Heron
                              Confirmed User
                              • Apr 2001
                              • 4496

                              #15
                              or it could be super easy just give the model a cheap cam and tell her to come back next week with it full. You don't actually need a photog just the girls that are reliable enough to actually return & shoot themselves...

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                              • ninavain
                                So Fucking Banned
                                • Jan 2004
                                • 6268

                                #16
                                Originally posted by PR_Dave
                                How can we use any of your content when you shoot everything in the same location?

                                Do all the self shot pics in the same bathroom.

                                Come on guys, know your market. What are we supposed to tell members? These are all EX-GFs of 1 guy?

                                Also passing off your shitty content as ex-gf is also lame.

                                you didn't buy mine then..cuz I let the girls shoot it themselves at thier own homes and load to my server w/ IDs 2257..and I send paypal...simple.

                                and YES I agree with you..thats why we do it differently

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                                • ninavain
                                  So Fucking Banned
                                  • Jan 2004
                                  • 6268

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by The Heron
                                  or it could be super easy just give the model a cheap cam and tell her to come back next week with it full. You don't actually need a photog just the girls that are reliable enough to actually return & shoot themselves...
                                  bingo...like your Avatar..it was a cellphone pic submitted to us, it works perfectly for surfers

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                                  • ninavain
                                    So Fucking Banned
                                    • Jan 2004
                                    • 6268

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by JP-pornshooter
                                    traditional producers have no idea how to shoot this content, myself included.
                                    when i ask my client how they want it or give samples they direct me to a website with a hugely varied type ex gf content, didnt help me one bit.
                                    so i asked more questions and as it turns out, content buyers are expecting the model in several different outfits and locations situations.. girl next door styles etc.
                                    in this case less is more, meaning something everyone thinks is easy and cheap to produce actually become more difficult, more time consuming and more expensive...
                                    cannot use same location over and over
                                    model in different outfits / situation = time consuming and extra $$ to the model

                                    me not trying to be difficult, just bringing this to attention so buyers are aware.
                                    The big secret is...wait for it..the PHOTOG does NOT shoot it...You tell the girl to shoot it, cellphones, cheap cameras, webcam snaps..when they finish, come pick up your money...rinse and repeat...and NOT everything needs to be NAKED and the bathroom..that's hardly natural

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                                    • webgurl
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                                      • Aug 2002
                                      • 7954

                                      #19
                                      lol dave , so true .

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                                      • ninavain
                                        So Fucking Banned
                                        • Jan 2004
                                        • 6268

                                        #20
                                        this sales....

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                                        • Kenny B!
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                                          • Jun 2003
                                          • 5718

                                          #21
                                          Dave you rock, now lets count down to Pimp Rolls new ex GF site announcement!
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                                          • Loch
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                                            • Feb 2002
                                            • 7674

                                            #22
                                            I think the majority of the problem here is that clients are not willing to pay what they used to (well most anyways).
                                            Producers are cutting cost on locations, that is if they even use locations.

                                            Makes for poor content.

                                            One of the reasons we stopped producing non-exclusive content years ago and now just buy from others.....

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                                            • PR_Dave
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                                              • Jul 2003
                                              • 2792

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Kenny B!
                                              Dave you rock, now lets count down to Pimp Rolls new ex GF site announcement!
                                              It's going to be good ;)

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                                              • JP-pornshooter
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Sep 2006
                                                • 4007

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by ninavain
                                                The big secret is...wait for it..the PHOTOG does NOT shoot it...You tell the girl to shoot it, cellphones, cheap cameras, webcam snaps..when they finish, come pick up your money...rinse and repeat...and NOT everything needs to be NAKED and the bathroom..that's hardly natural
                                                cool then i can go golfing or fishing and still make money?
                                                anyways, most my client wants hardcore stuff incl video.
                                                try to shoot good quality HDV ex gf style, you know you need some serious lighting to make good HDV quality.
                                                "Obscenity is whatever gives the Judge an erection." -- Author Unknown

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                                                • Aric
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                                                  • Sep 2002
                                                  • 1209

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by ninavain
                                                  you didn't buy mine then..cuz I let the girls shoot it themselves at thier own homes and load to my server w/ IDs 2257..and I send paypal...simple.

                                                  and YES I agree with you..thats why we do it differently
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                                                  • alias
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                                                    • Apr 2001
                                                    • 19010

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by ninavain
                                                    this sales....
                                                    That looks real.
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                                                    • MaDalton
                                                      I am Amazing Content!
                                                      • Feb 2004
                                                      • 39861

                                                      #27
                                                      we have offered to shoot at the girls home - some clients have taken advantage of that.

                                                      but from our point of view it makes no sense when someone only wants like 50 pictures and doesnt want to spend more than 20 bucks. it's not worth the hassle for us

                                                      we have a bunch of girls who let us come to them and if you are willing to take a couple of set/videos and pay a decent price - see sig!
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                                                      • NaughtyRob
                                                        Two fresh affiliate progs
                                                        • Nov 2004
                                                        • 29602

                                                        #28
                                                        This is exactly the issue. I was pretty much the first to start selling and shooting this stuff full time (since last summer) and found out right away that I actually need to buy content from girls or have them shoot it at home etc, however I do shoot it also, so its tough to have a ton of different locations but I try.


                                                        Originally posted by JP-pornshooter
                                                        traditional producers have no idea how to shoot this content, myself included.
                                                        when i ask my client how they want it or give samples they direct me to a website with a hugely varied type ex gf content, didnt help me one bit.
                                                        so i asked more questions and as it turns out, content buyers are expecting the model in several different outfits and locations situations.. girl next door styles etc.
                                                        in this case less is more, meaning something everyone thinks is easy and cheap to produce actually become more difficult, more time consuming and more expensive...
                                                        cannot use same location over and over
                                                        model in different outfits / situation = time consuming and extra $$ to the model

                                                        me not trying to be difficult, just bringing this to attention so buyers are aware.






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                                                        • RedGlamourStudio
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                                                          • Dec 2005
                                                          • 2371

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by MaDalton
                                                          but from our point of view it makes no sense when someone only wants like 50 pictures and doesnt want to spend more than 20 bucks. it's not worth the hassle for us
                                                          +1

                                                          usually, we rent apartment for shoots, 3-5 good locations in each, 12-15 apartments...And I just include this 50 pix in our shoots. Samples from my posts on forum
                                                          http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=950905
                                                          http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=925335
                                                          http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=945545

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                                                          • SEO Expert
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                                                            • Oct 2009
                                                            • 428

                                                            #30
                                                            no content producer cam compete with the real thang

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                                                            • Roald
                                                              SecretFriends.com
                                                              • May 2001
                                                              • 27910

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by PR_Dave
                                                              It's going to be good ;)
                                                              Any idea on the launch date?


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                                                              • Screwed Up
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                                                                • Aug 2002
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                                                                #32
                                                                Yeah, I was actually about to shoot it, but the location thing seemed a giveaway.

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                                                                • Loch
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                                                                  • Feb 2002
                                                                  • 7674

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by JP-pornshooter
                                                                  cool then i can go golfing or fishing and still make money?
                                                                  anyways, most my client wants hardcore stuff incl video.
                                                                  try to shoot good quality HDV ex gf style, you know you need some serious lighting to make good HDV quality.
                                                                  Now how would that be true homeshot ?

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                                                                  • ninavain
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                                                                    • Jan 2004
                                                                    • 6268

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by JP-pornshooter
                                                                    cool then i can go golfing or fishing and still make money?
                                                                    anyways, most my client wants hardcore stuff incl video.
                                                                    try to shoot good quality HDV ex gf style, you know you need some serious lighting to make good HDV quality.
                                                                    this is WHY, you don't understand the niche.
                                                                    Serious lighting...HDV...how many girls on myspace have that type equipment???
                                                                    I've been selling this since MAY of last year..then everyone jumped on it...Since 07 I've letting the girls shoot their own videos and I paid by the tape..it's was the only way to get authentic TRUE solo amatuer girl footage...But..I'd leave the room and go watch TV, let the girls do the work, whether it be fuckin their BF or themselves..I don't need to be there if I want it to look REAL

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                                                                    • ninavain
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                                                                      • Jan 2004
                                                                      • 6268

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Loch
                                                                      Now how would that be true homeshot ?
                                                                      x 2

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                                                                      • ninavain
                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                        • Jan 2004
                                                                        • 6268

                                                                        #36
                                                                        [QUOTE=GetNaughty;17067035]This is exactly the issue. I was pretty much the first to start selling and shooting this stuff full time (since last summer) and found out right away that I actually need to buy content from girls or have them shoot it at home etc, however I do shoot it also, so its tough to have a ton of different locations but I try.[quote]



                                                                        Tell the truth, robert..you were the 2nd, c'mon now..lol you were 3 weeks behind us
                                                                        Last edited by ninavain; 04-23-2010, 11:19 AM.

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                                                                        • AaronM
                                                                          GFY Royality ;)
                                                                          • Oct 2001
                                                                          • 46923

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by PR_Dave
                                                                          How can we use any of your content when you shoot everything in the same location?

                                                                          Do all the self shot pics in the same bathroom.

                                                                          Come on guys, know your market. What are we supposed to tell members? These are all EX-GFs of 1 guy?

                                                                          Also passing off your shitty content as ex-gf is also lame.


                                                                          You want amateur EX-GF but you are buying from content producers instead of direct from the amateurs? As a content producer, I know my primary market doesn't include content that is actually produced by others.

                                                                          There are a couple people who provide the kind of content you seek but why pay their markup when you can buy direct? It's not like you have to deal with the headache of an actual production and that's where the real value of buying content from producers comes from.

                                                                          Seems to me that you may be the one who does not know the market as you are going to the wrong sources and then wondering why you can not find what you really want/need. If I want a used VW Bug then I'm not going to go to the Honda dealership then tell them they don't have what I want.

                                                                          Just my humble opinion.
                                                                          Last edited by AaronM; 04-23-2010, 11:26 AM.

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                                                                          • kristin
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                                                                            • Sep 2002
                                                                            • 9768

                                                                            #38
                                                                            We're looking forward to tapping into this niche ... it should rock on mobile.

                                                                            Stay tuned for TopBucks' announcement next week! =)
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                                                                            • NaughtyRob
                                                                              Two fresh affiliate progs
                                                                              • Nov 2004
                                                                              • 29602

                                                                              #39
                                                                              About the same I guess..
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                                                                              http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=904365

                                                                              [QUOTE=ninavain;17067158][QUOTE=GetNaughty;17067035]This is exactly the issue. I was pretty much the first to start selling and shooting this stuff full time (since last summer) and found out right away that I actually need to buy content from girls or have them shoot it at home etc, however I do shoot it also, so its tough to have a ton of different locations but I try.



                                                                              Tell the truth, robert..you were the 2nd, c'mon now..lol you were 3 weeks behind us
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                                                                              • NaughtyRob
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                                                                                • Nov 2004
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                True... and if someone wanted to order it EXCLUSIVE I'd shoot it however and wherever they want it.

                                                                                Originally posted by AaronM
                                                                                You want amateur EX-GF but you are buying from content producers instead of direct from the amateurs? As a content producer, I know my primary market doesn't include content that is actually produced by others.

                                                                                There are a couple people who provide the kind of content you seek but why pay their markup when you can buy direct? It's not like you have to deal with the headache of an actual production and that's where the real value of buying content from producers comes from.

                                                                                Seems to me that you may be the one who does not know the market as you are going to the wrong sources and then wondering why you can not find what you really want/need. If I want a used VW Bug then I'm not going to go to the Honda dealership then tell them they don't have what I want.

                                                                                Just my humble opinion.
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                                                                                • goldflower
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                                                                                  • Feb 2006
                                                                                  • 5545

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Best way is find girls who can shoot by self in own house. I have that girls
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                                                                                  • SykkBoy2
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                                                                                    • Feb 2001
                                                                                    • 19969

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by Si
                                                                                    Good point!

                                                                                    I've only got 2 bathrooms so I guess I can only ever make 2 sets
                                                                                    How hard would it be the re-arrange a few things on the counter and change the towels hanging in the background? Change the angles, etc.
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                                                                                    • Juicy D. Links
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                                                                                      • Apr 2001
                                                                                      • 122992

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by JFK
                                                                                      yeah, the guy was a real Stud
                                                                                      i am far froma stud but thx JFK for calling me a stud

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                                                                                      • beerptrol
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                                                                                        • Feb 2003
                                                                                        • 12722

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        wouldn't it be easier just to give a model a disposable camera and have her take self shots at home or public having her pretend she is shooting sexy pics for her man. Then pay her upon return of the camera?
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                                                                                        • Bman
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          I am sure you will find some good suppliers.
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                                                                                          • Zorgman
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                                                                                            • Aug 2002
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            But Dave, I only have 1 bathroom.
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                                                                                            • Jim_Gunn
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                                                                                              • Feb 2003
                                                                                              • 5702

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by JP-pornshooter
                                                                                              traditional producers have no idea how to shoot this content, myself included....
                                                                                              Good post. But no one on the forum qualifies as a "traditional" content producer more than me. My IAFD.com listing as a porn director goes back to 1993. And I am doing quite well so far with my non-exclusive Ex-GF content. I have been pleasantly surprised by how many people that have never done business with me before for exclusive content have been hitting me up to license my non-exclusive content or even to shoot some exclusive sets with special themes for them. Whether you wanna call it Ex-GF, amateur, self-shot, or some of each, I believe the pics and vids can and should feature sexy young girls and different outfits & settings.













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                                                                                              • CYF
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                                                                                                • Mar 2009
                                                                                                • 10973

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Wow, some of you guys just don't get it.

                                                                                                The surfer doesn't want high quality HD video with perfect lighting. They don't want your standard amateur type that a photographer did. EXGF is not amateur with a different name.

                                                                                                The exgf niche is all about the self shot type stuff, arms length shots, bathroom and bedroom mirror type stuff. Stuff they took themselves. Cell phone pics that the girlfriend sent to the boyfriend on the phone, "stolen" cellphone pics that the pissed off ex boyfriend shared with the internet. (Hence the "ex-gf" name...) Photos that the boyfriend and girlfriend made together. Crappy videos in normal bedroom lighting. Webcam videos of the chick masterbating over yahoo messenger.

                                                                                                If you're using lights and HD and a Canon 20D, you're doing it wrong
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                                                                                                • digitaldivas
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by CYF
                                                                                                  Wow, some of you guys just don't get it.

                                                                                                  The surfer doesn't want high quality HD video with perfect lighting. They don't want your standard amateur type that a photographer did. EXGF is not amateur with a different name.

                                                                                                  The exgf niche is all about the self shot type stuff, arms length shots, bathroom and bedroom mirror type stuff. Stuff they took themselves. Cell phone pics that the girlfriend sent to the boyfriend on the phone, "stolen" cellphone pics that the pissed off ex boyfriend shared with the internet. (Hence the "ex-gf" name...) Photos that the boyfriend and girlfriend made together. Crappy videos in normal bedroom lighting. Webcam videos of the chick masterbating over yahoo messenger.

                                                                                                  If you're using lights and HD and a Canon 20D, you're doing it wrong
                                                                                                  ...Yes, it IS all about the fantasy, isn't it
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                                                                                                  • JP-pornshooter
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                                                                                                    • Sep 2006
                                                                                                    • 4007

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by ninavain
                                                                                                    this is WHY, you don't understand the niche.
                                                                                                    Serious lighting...HDV...how many girls on myspace have that type equipment???
                                                                                                    I've been selling this since MAY of last year..then everyone jumped on it...Since 07 I've letting the girls shoot their own videos and I paid by the tape..it's was the only way to get authentic TRUE solo amatuer girl footage...But..I'd leave the room and go watch TV, let the girls do the work, whether it be fuckin their BF or themselves..I don't need to be there if I want it to look REAL
                                                                                                    i understand the niche fine but as an old saying goes you cannot fit a square peg in a round hole..
                                                                                                    but i am happy to hear you found your niche.
                                                                                                    i am not worried to announce publicly that it is not my niche to shoot
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