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  • CosmicTang
    Confirmed User
    • Feb 2007
    • 1478

    #121
    Originally posted by theking
    If the people do not like their system of government then the people can change that system of government by creating a viable third party and replacing the incumbents with those of the third party. There are many third parties already in existence and have nominees that run for office but up to this point in time there are not any viable third parties (and if you look at some of their platforms and those they nominate you can understand why). The power lies with the people...but the majority of the people do not exercise their power...so the blame lies with the people.
    There isn't a viable 3rd party because the two that run the show do everything they can to keep it a two party system. I'll concede that the people deserve to shoulder some of the responsibility, but don't sit and pretend that the government isn't doing anything to preserve the status quo and keep new ideas and fresh leadership from rising to power.
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    • CosmicTang
      Confirmed User
      • Feb 2007
      • 1478

      #122
      Originally posted by lumenus
      Obama, Bush, Clinton, Ron Paul all have the same masters The 2 party system is just an illusion.
      Actually, Ron Paul is the one guy on that list that DOESN'T serve the same masters. That's why he's marginalized and his supporters branded loonies.
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      • GatorB
        The Demon & 12clicks
        • Oct 2001
        • 18208

        #123
        Originally posted by PR_Tom
        I personally do not believe for one second that a majority of american people did not want healthcare reform. Thats just laughable to me.
        Here's the thing, sure 56% didn't like this healthcare reform. 13% because it wasn't liberal ENOUGH. Are those guys voting republican this fall? Hell no. So at the end of the day only 43% hated the healthcare reform beause it was too liberal.

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        • GatorB
          The Demon & 12clicks
          • Oct 2001
          • 18208

          #124
          Originally posted by CosmicTang
          There isn't a viable 3rd party because the two that run the show do everything they can to keep it a two party system. I'll concede that the people deserve to shoulder some of the responsibility, but don't sit and pretend that the government isn't doing anything to preserve the status quo and keep new ideas and fresh leadership from rising to power.
          because no one votes 3rd party. Whose fault is that? The same people bitching about the government.

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          • theking
            Nice Kitty
            • Sep 2002
            • 21053

            #125
            Originally posted by CosmicTang
            There isn't a viable 3rd party because the two that run the show do everything they can to keep it a two party system. I'll concede that the people deserve to shoulder some of the responsibility, but don't sit and pretend that the government isn't doing anything to preserve the status quo and keep new ideas and fresh leadership from rising to power.
            Of course the two parties put roadblocks in the way of a third party rising to a position of power...that is a given...and is understandable...but I repeat the power lies with the people and the reason there isn't a viable third party is because the majority of the people are satisfied enough with the status quo...that they will not exercise their power.
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            • kane
              Too lazy to set a custom title
              • Aug 2001
              • 20684

              #126
              Originally posted by Jesus H Christ
              That's because third parties don't work because it's been proven many times on a Governor level. Meaning, it's one of the rare times that Dems & Republicans can get along and come together to filibuster what the third party wants.

              You would need a 4th and 5th party system ironically to make a 3rd party system work. But I understand your point..
              You could have a viable third party, but they would have to have at least as much power and influence as the dems and republicans. If the house and senate were each made up roughly of 1/3rd democrats, 1/3 republicans and 1/3 third party members each party would have to work with the other to get things done.

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              • GatorB
                The Demon & 12clicks
                • Oct 2001
                • 18208

                #127
                Originally posted by Jesus H Christ
                That's because third parties don't work because it's been proven many times on a Governor level. Meaning, it's one of the rare times that Dems & Republicans can get along and come together to filibuster what the third party wants.

                You would need a 4th and 5th party system ironically to make a 3rd party system work. But I understand your point..
                With that attitude nothing will change. It's sad and pitiful that people are too fucking lazy to try to change the system and instead think that getting a gun and starting a militia so they can attack the government is a better way.

                typical tea militia member "Fuck voting, just shoot. That'll change things"

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                • Vendzilla
                  Biker Gnome
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 23200

                  #128
                  Originally posted by PR_Tom
                  Vendzilla, thats just proving my point. It's a poll; the election is over. Polls will come and polls will go and for a few more years, Obama will be our president. Which is more important?
                  Whats important is that Obama know the people are paying attention and don't like what he's doing and he's going to loose his power with a controlled house and senate soon and he better take notice. You're telling me that once a person gets in office he can do what ever the hell he wants?

                  Originally posted by tony404
                  They do for the most part lets not kid our selves.A big chunk of that no tax people is people with kids that get tax credits and people not working. right or left understand this they dont give a fuck about you and me. On both sides and this includes the tea party they tell you what you want to hear.They care about big donations that is all. I learned that after all this bullshit. You think I wouldve learned it sooner. lol
                  No, what I'm saying is that it's irrelevant, the poor don't pay federal taxes, so any tax cut is for the rich, it's all bullshit and propaganda
                  Originally posted by kane
                  That wasn't the point. The point is that people are making it out like the entire country is up in arms about what the democrats are doing. I was simply pointing out that those who voted for Obama are getting what he promised them and are happy. Most of the country isn't up in arms. The republican base and some conservatives are.

                  I don't support everything Obama has done and I am among those who feel that everyone in congress needs to be thrown out and replaced, but I am not blind to the reality that the Tea Party is simply just the republican party with a different name and they will elect the same people who helped to cause the problems we have now.
                  If you think the whole country isn't up in arms, then you need to get out more, away from your bubble, people are pissed, the Tea Party has grown alot in just the last month



                  The Swiss don't need a militia
                  http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/754.html+
                  Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                  think about that

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                  • theking
                    Nice Kitty
                    • Sep 2002
                    • 21053

                    #129
                    Originally posted by Vendzilla
                    Whats important is that Obama know the people are paying attention and don't like what he's doing and he's going to loose his power with a controlled house and senate soon and he better take notice. You're telling me that once a person gets in office he can do what ever the hell he wants?
                    Actually...yes they can as long as it is legal...until they come up for re-election. BTW...the President has already stated that if he is a one term President...so be it.

                    If you think the whole country isn't up in arms, then you need to get out more, away from your bubble, people are pissed, the Tea Party has grown alot in just the last month
                    The Tea Party has a few thousand "members"...when people start taking to the streets in the tens of millions...then you will see some attention paid to them...but even then...whatever they are demanding will take years to accomplish...as demonstrated by the Vietnam Conflict protests and the Civil Rights protests.
                    Last edited by theking; 04-13-2010, 03:23 PM.
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                    • kane
                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                      • Aug 2001
                      • 20684

                      #130
                      Originally posted by Jesus H Christ
                      In truth Kane, "We The People"... should be the third party. I've come to the opinion if you're not a staunch Independent you are nothing more then a Corporate tool.
                      I agree fully.

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                      • kane
                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                        • Aug 2001
                        • 20684

                        #131
                        Originally posted by Vendzilla
                        If you think the whole country isn't up in arms, then you need to get out more, away from your bubble, people are pissed, the Tea Party has grown alot in just the last month



                        The Swiss don't need a militia
                        http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/754.html+
                        I'm sure it has grown a lot, but it is still made up mostly of republicans and conservative independents who have a favorable view of the republican party. I'm not saying everyone form the middle left is happy, but the entire country is far from behind up in arms. Most of the country would rather watch American Idol then worry about what their leaders are doing.

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                        • Vendzilla
                          Biker Gnome
                          • Mar 2004
                          • 23200

                          #132
                          Originally posted by theking
                          Actually...yes they can as long as it is legal...until they come up for re-election. BTW...the President has already stated that if he is a one term President...so be it.



                          The Tea Party has a few thousand "members"...when people start taking to the streets in the tens of millions...then you will see some attention paid to them...but even then...whatever they are demanding will take years to accomplish...as demonstrated by the Vietnam Conflict protests and the Civil Rights protests.
                          Originally posted by kane
                          I'm sure it has grown a lot, but it is still made up mostly of republicans and conservative independents who have a favorable view of the republican party. I'm not saying everyone form the middle left is happy, but the entire country is far from behind up in arms. Most of the country would rather watch American Idol then worry about what their leaders are doing.
                          The tea party is bigger than you think
                          http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...party_movement

                          Tuesday, April 13, 2010

                          Twenty-four percent (24%) of U.S. voters now say they consider themselves a part of the Tea Party movement, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey. That?s an eight-point increase from 16% a month ago.

                          Another 10% say they are not a part of the movement but have close friends or family members who are.

                          Fifty-five percent (55%) of voters say they have no ties to the Tea Party movement. Eleven percent (11%) more are not sure.

                          The rise in Tea party support is perhaps not surprising at a time when more voters than ever (58%) favor repeal of the national health care plan just passed by Democrats in Congress and signed into law by President Obama. Most voters remain convinced that the health care plan will require an increase in taxes on the middle class as a time when 66% of voters believe America is already overtaxed.

                          Forty-two percent (42%) of Republicans say they are part of the movement, compared to nine percent (9%) of Democrats and 24% of voters not affiliated with either major party. Thirty-five percent (35%) of Mainstream voters view themselves as Tea Party members, while 84% of the Political Class say they have no ties to the movement.
                          Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                          think about that

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                          • Caligari
                            Confirmed User
                            • Oct 2009
                            • 5414

                            #133
                            Originally posted by PR_Tom
                            "President Obama said Friday he plans to withdraw most U.S. troops from Iraq by the end of August 2010.

                            Between 35,000 to 50,000 troops will remain in Iraq, he said. They would be withdrawn gradually until all U.S. forces are out of Iraq by December 31, 2011 -- the deadline set under an agreement the Bush administration signed with the Iraqi government last year."

                            So... I dunno what to tell ya. My phrase "coming along nicely" just reflects that it's on track according to reports.
                            Actually i thought you were making a joke!
                            Reality- US troops will NEVER be out of iraq, this is not obamas fault and shouldnt be his problem but when he starts talking about troop withdrawl etc...just look at the weekly iraqi death tolls, its really a nightmare.
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                            • kane
                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                              • Aug 2001
                              • 20684

                              #134
                              Originally posted by Vendzilla
                              The tea party is bigger than you think
                              http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...party_movement

                              Tuesday, April 13, 2010

                              Twenty-four percent (24%) of U.S. voters now say they consider themselves a part of the Tea Party movement, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey. That?s an eight-point increase from 16% a month ago.

                              Another 10% say they are not a part of the movement but have close friends or family members who are.

                              Fifty-five percent (55%) of voters say they have no ties to the Tea Party movement. Eleven percent (11%) more are not sure.

                              The rise in Tea party support is perhaps not surprising at a time when more voters than ever (58%) favor repeal of the national health care plan just passed by Democrats in Congress and signed into law by President Obama. Most voters remain convinced that the health care plan will require an increase in taxes on the middle class as a time when 66% of voters believe America is already overtaxed.

                              Forty-two percent (42%) of Republicans say they are part of the movement, compared to nine percent (9%) of Democrats and 24% of voters not affiliated with either major party. Thirty-five percent (35%) of Mainstream voters view themselves as Tea Party members, while 84% of the Political Class say they have no ties to the movement.
                              I think it is pretty hard to say just who makes up the party. There is this CBS poll http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/po...in;contentBody that says most of the Tea Party is made up republicans and that 62% of them see the republican party in a favorable light.

                              To me this isn't a new movement, it is mostly a branch of the republican party.

                              I'd be willing to bet there are probably not many more Tea Party members then there were those who opposed the invasion of Iraq.

                              Even if the Tea Party movement is growing and getting bigger and bigger, to what end will it bring us? They are simply going to vote for republican candidates most of whom helped get us in the shit sandwich we are now in.

                              I will be impressed by the Tea Party when I see them put an actual candidate for an office that runs under the Tea Party banner, not under the republican banner.

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                              • Vendzilla
                                Biker Gnome
                                • Mar 2004
                                • 23200

                                #135
                                Originally posted by kane
                                I think it is pretty hard to say just who makes up the party. There is this CBS poll http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/po...in;contentBody that says most of the Tea Party is made up republicans and that 62% of them see the republican party in a favorable light.

                                To me this isn't a new movement, it is mostly a branch of the republican party.

                                I'd be willing to bet there are probably not many more Tea Party members then there were those who opposed the invasion of Iraq.

                                Even if the Tea Party movement is growing and getting bigger and bigger, to what end will it bring us? They are simply going to vote for republican candidates most of whom helped get us in the shit sandwich we are now in.

                                I will be impressed by the Tea Party when I see them put an actual candidate for an office that runs under the Tea Party banner, not under the republican banner.
                                Here's the misconseption, it's not a party, it's a movement, it will support the candate they believe best fits the conservative, less govenment, less taxes stand point. Yeah less people are paying less taxes this year, but with the debt we have, they know that won't last, do something like value added tax lke they do in several other countries
                                Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                think about that

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