Tea Party...Militia?!?!

i will say this in defense of militias...should it come to pass that nuclear weapons explode over DC & wall street, leading to a state of haiti-like civilian unrest as people can no longer access cash to live on, it will be militias that grow & either maintain order, or behave like roving mauraders looting stores & houses. In such a scenario, i would most definitely want to be in a militia.

So do I. Especially the part about free elections and free speech. I'm not sure where the "overthrow the legitimately elected government" and "Kill all those that disagree with you" part is in it.

haha...thats the magic question...the imaginary liberal army that comes to their state to impose their taxes & health care programs!

I don't understand what the leftwingers on this thread are so upset about.... You guys have had majorities since 2006, you have bigger majorities now, and the executive branch also.... Just relax and enjoy your power... Why all the anger?



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But the thing is it would be the militias fault DC is in ashes to begin with. So why defend people that attack their own country? You either love America or you don't. You either are a patriot or you're Timothy McVeigh.

Someone asked me once if I had a survival kit of some sorts if a major event happened, I showed them my AR-15 and a box of ammo

The Constitution is alive and well. It is the Supreme Court that defines and defends what laws are constitutional and what laws are not. Any law enacted by local, state or the federal government can be and often is challenged in the courts and many end up in the Supreme Court. No other government entity and certainly no individual...other than the Supreme Court...has this right or this responsibility. While I sometimes disagree with Supreme Court decisions...I...being a law abiding citizen am obligated to abide by their decisions...that is our system of government.

yep, they're patriots all right. Great americans!

There's no way to accurately predict what would happen in a Constitutional crisis where the country came to the brink of revolt. Maybe the armed forces would fire on their own people, maybe they wouldn't. In 1989 in Tianenmen Square the Chinese military turned on its own people. Two years later in Red Square the Russian military sided with the people and refused to carry out a coup effectively finishing off communist rule and facilitating the demise of the Soviet Union. In both cases the citizenry was unarmed.

I don't know what would happen here. The militias might cave in the face of better trained, better armed military and police forces. Or perhaps seeing the dissenters as plain folk like their families the kids in the military might refuse to fire.

What I do know is that the fact this is starting to happen should give the government pause to think about what its doing to piss off so many people. The militia folks are not without their relevant talking points.

As to the person who suggested we vote and use free speech...you haven't been paying attention. The government is doing what it damn well wants regardless of what the people who pay the bills are screaming for. The people roundly said no to the bailouts and they were granted behind closed doors. They voiced their opinions on health care, and yet again were largely ignored. And the final insult may have been the Supreme Court granting corporations--possibly including foreign ones--the right to spend as much money as they want in campaigns which would determine elections of our representatives. I think it's plain they don't have the people in mind.

So the question becomes: when is it enough?

Clearly the government isn't working for the people anymore and the Constitution is an afterthought to seemingly everyone in D.C. At what point do people have not merely the right, but the responsibility to do something about it?

I would hate to see the situation come to violence but should these bullies and their corrupt and unjust system be allowed to continue while hiding behind the guise of democracy?

Honestly, when is it enough?

Well said Cosmic.

The second Amendment was not constructed to protect the tyranny of the masses by the few, but, rather, the tryanny of the few by the masses. In the latter case, the vote only exacerbates the problem in an environment where demagougic politicians use demonization freely.

Our system is not a Democracy. We are a Republic and out system is that of a Representative Democracy. We elect people to represent us and it is not their job or their duty to represent us by "polls". Every two years members of the House are up for re-election...every six years members of the Senate are up for re-election and every four years the Presidency is up for re-election. If the people do not like the way their Congressman...or Senator...or President represented them the people will not re-elect them. Elections are the time and way for the peoples voices to be heard...loud and clear. That is our system of government.

When it was muskets against muskets that worked. People talk about how great the army is but they really have no idea the power they can yield at a target. The funny thing is I can sit and talk about all the real things I think obama and the politicians I are doing fucked up all day long and Im a lefty. I don't understand why the right and the tea party has to make up shit. They are protesting apr 15 when 47 percent of this country pays nothing in taxes. They are being played its really sad.

I agree the rhetoric of the right wing has gone batshit insane. Its extremely toxic, this idea that disagreeing parties are unamerican. Such words are a road to fascism.

Just my opinion here. but liberalism: the concepts of tolerence, combatting poverty & racism, the pursuit of education - these are things that prosper in an environment of peace & freedom. In places that are chronically unstable, like africa & the middle east, anti-intellectualism, xenophobia, & rascism still reign. By extension, the american right wing mimics these more primative values & prospers in a climate of fear & instability. This is why the right wing is obsessed with demonizing the government.

I personally do not believe for one second that a majority of american people did not want healthcare reform. Thats just laughable to me. President Obama ran on several platforms, one of the most important being health care reform. He won the election. ie: the majority of american voters WANTED healthcare reform when it really mattered. It's just a negative talking point now for when people want to roll out poll results favorable to their own position.