Tubes video traffic sucks... totally can't convert it, blows ass... I should probably try something other than paid memberships.... Total: 25640 20930 1283 59 1:354 $1,215.96

I'm so pissed ratios aren't 1:10 that I'm thinking of pulling my traffic.

Full length movies def took a shit in the traffic pool. Pure and simple. But if you are drinking upstream (run the site) you are ok. They have tons of traffic so yes they make a living but the rest of us see bad conversions.

Tube sites right/wrong.. depends. All traffic is good.

They do open other poss like lots of traffic cheap if you want to join the cj and take a crack at something as you did.

I assume that was skim. Was 0 in 10000 clicked or skim? Blind/skim is almost impossible to see a profit. I have tried believe me. Skim is maybe .2 cents a hit lets say on ave or more. It needs to be 1/2 that. .1 cents a hit tops would allow some margin for guys like me. But hey it is a market and there is someone paying .2 so I am out of luck. :)

I started a tube a while back. Thing that amazed me most? Super low ctr's. These surfers are where they want to be.

If you skim one from the nest it will head right back to the hive.

You can still use their numbers to your advantage.

But in general that traffic is shit unless it's yours. (at the current prices) (for me)

Some guys with big bank rolls can see a 25% margin and buy at .2 thus killing me who needs a 50% margin min because i aint got the mega roll. Way that game works.

Quoted for TRUTH.

As for the idiots saying that RAPIDSHARE, FORUMS and TORRENTS don't affect sales at all. Don't mind them. They are usually trying to defend their ILLEGAL business.

It's more than obvious, even for a 5 year kid, that people won't buy something that is available for free. No discussion about that at all and no sense to discuss with those idiots who feel "touched" when people compain about those ILLEGAL sites.

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I don't think those sites don't affect sales. They help sales, everyone can get previews before he buys stuff.

I try software first, then buy it... same with music, movies, and games. Been more than enough data to prove that the free markets aren't killing the paid markets. ie: the music and movie industry posting record numbers year after year.

Do you pay for cable for the same ol'shit as the free cable tv? No of course not - and that's exactly why paysites will always make sales.

If you dont mind if I correct this,

Actually I think they are taking a loss or breaking even for other reasons. I would take 25% anytime but I cant get 1 fucken % longterm on skim to a clicked link and I promote the best fucken paysites in the biz. So hey. :)

But damn do I dream of turning fucken 5% even on skim. There is so much of it.

At least the tubes give me traffic to fuck around with. The damn tgps always made it too hard to play their bs (will my gallery be accepted or not) game. :)

your arguing with someone who actually knows how to turn tube site traffic into seo quality traffic.

even the guys who are profiting from tube sites don't understand the fundamentals as well as i do.

you just don't understand the new marketplace

that not a problem with tubes it a problem with you.

A major problem, and well stated. Check out www.felluciablow.com for tube traffic turning into gold but basically you're correct.

And G.G. chiming in? Triple bonus.
(Mister Peabody chiming in = -3 so basically a wash)

She looks like she gives a hell of a blowjob... to bad the guy she sucks off is as long as my finger.

Get a job at McDonalds and wack-off into people's big macs.

Someone once posted you can make money with the brokers you just have to buy a shitload. Hmmm that never made sense till now.

I mean shouldn't the profit ratio be the same no matter what is spent. I didn't take the fricken calc course for nothing. :)

Perhaps that person was not an affil but a paysite op (or mega rolled affil who doesnt need profit now) breaking even for bookmarkers or (paysite op) losing money for branding.

Nothing wrong with that but, just one more reason I see where being an affil in porn (with the current traffic structure) is a tight assed margin biz for the most part.

They make money selling ad space to webmaster.:winkwink:

lol, yeah. That really sucks. Under 1:400. Time to quit this business and pursue a career in processed compressed bovine meat pellets mechanically inserted into leavened grains.:winkwink:

Well sadly, it tisn't moi she be suckin' - and I'm even smaller. LOL

But you know, if you do the math, she's getting something like $x per inch so it's really quite good.

Sign up and promote her:

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www.felluciablow.com

Promote her:
www.peabodycash.com

I am SUCH a whore tonight!
(2nite?)

Again, well stated. But I'm seeing more of a 'rat finds its' cheese' situation emerging. So, in a 'general' way, you are absolutely correct; for the average affiliate doing what has always worked before the margins keep on a-shrinkin', and a-shrinkin'....

But for affiliates who find their niche - who find their cheese (and no, NOT calling affiliates rats, so please) - for those affiliates they can find cheese. I mean, gold. (gold cheese? Maybe in Japan. Saw a gold eggroll once - covered in gold flakes, that is - go for $1000, and it was the size of my pinky, but I digress)

In other words, finding a niche that you really like AND you can market and know etc is part of the (near) future, I think. Finding stuff people still have to (more or less) pay for. In other other words: if you're into elegant blowjobs you go here:

www.felluciablow.com

If you're into midgets having threeways covered in pudding, with dildos and GMILF trannies thrown in, with asian BBW referrees, you go here, etc.

The relentless will survive. There's cheese/gold out there still.

100% correct

I used to be very sceptic about tube traffic but it's much better quality then old school tgp traffic

Thank god every affil has a couple progs where for some reason shit clicks and people join. And there is a good profit ratio in the end.

Yes, God loves affil porn wms too. :)

I don't really even know my own traffic. Now days the stuff I dig doesn't sell. But in theory I understand and agree with the "cheese principle" :) lol

I always thought because the paysite is good is why it sold but then another guy doesn't do well selling the same site.

Still I think the good stuff sells, such as new content, designed in 1920x1080 or near that, priced under $30. And my cheese appeal or salesmanship doesnt mean much. :) I just send mildly interested surfers and winners sell. Losers don't.

For selling what ? dating/cams or movie/pic paysites?

which niche was it? :winkwink:

Not a valid argument, since we are not talking about trying the software first, but getting the software completely for free.

To go back to our business.. we are not talking about getting one 25 minutes free movie on some tube. We are talking about getting the complete members area RIP for free on file sharing or torrent sites.

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Agreed, I thought the music industry in particular was hurt by file sharing big time.

If you were 19 what would you join. R*pid Sha*e (didnt I see somewhere they have like 30,000,000 members or something wtf?) or paysite x for probably $5 to $10 more.

A complete clamp down on piracy would have to be launched to reverse all this. Could happen I suppose as things do seem to be slowly heading in the right way.

That one pitbullish dude (no offense, I love it) who goes after the content theives. He was like Joe Friday (on crack) arriving on the scene. lol Man he made me glad my shit was in order. lol

If an army of those guys showed up some shit could change.

Could happen.

Wasn't the topic about bad tube ratios?

Full member area rips have been on newsgroups, forums and irc for longer than I can recall. A tube doesn't need to rip an entire members area... it already is one.

I can get any software, music, game, or movie 100% free... like most of the Internet has been doing for like 15 years. I can probably get some obscure movie title before you could find a full length tube clip of a random porn star.

I would say that is a very valid - being that it's exactly like porn.

The entire Internet, every corner of it.. has taken a hit, fallen, doesn't work like it once did.. No industry online, no niche, no product converts like it did 10 years ago - when it comes to direct marketing which is what 99% of our Industry does.

I would start looking at how and what I'm marketing wellllllll before I pointed any fingers.

check the first message you quoted me in the first page..

read my message again. Do I talk about tubes?

I then followed your discussion.

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Are you on drugs?

Let me help you out...

and from me...

This is me basically saying they don't hurt your sales... but to add to that, they are actually sales tools - that can and do, add sales. But if you don't use them correctly, only the 'porn' free loaders are finding you - and that's a mistake that doesn't hurt you - but by not taking advantage of it, you're losing all that you could gain from millions of new viewers.


Do you really think for 15+ years, free/piracy networks and sites have lasted, being free and giving away everything - just because? Come on....


You have free all around you, in your daily life now.. and people make millions from it.

...this is a good thread!

The problem is making money,not traffic.