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Robocrop · 04-06-2010, 08:17 AM

Alright, first we got AWE...doing their thing, NA cease the moment and throws a "killing the affiliate" parade, now NastyDollars cannot float on the illegal tubes pushing Fling.com so they call NA and ask what the best way to snatch domains would be.

I wonder how many more programs will follow the parade, but most of all..how many affiliates will stand up for the case and how many will be pussys and push over the domains to what's NOT the rightful owners.

Any sponsor program telling me that they want a domain, can suck my dick...thanks!

So stand up for the cause, its not like they can/will sue 100+ affiliates.

Fuck the shady fuckers

If you stand up for the cause, say ay in this tread and keep bumping it for the greater good of God.

mikeyddddd · 04-06-2010, 08:20 AM

pradaboy · 04-06-2010, 08:24 AM

If they do not even own the trademarks for the domains they do not have a strong case.

BTW could someone post the e-mail they sent?

Barefootsies · 04-06-2010, 08:25 AM

EscortBiz · 04-06-2010, 08:26 AM

seriously i dont give a shit, if you send me traffic use whatever name u want that i own

TeenCat · 04-06-2010, 08:31 AM

i will be just using serps from sponsors that dont like me to promote sponsors that have no problem with my hard made seo traffic

SEO Expert · 04-06-2010, 08:32 AM

just send your sales someplace else

munki · 04-06-2010, 08:35 AM

Stop complaining, and learn how to do some credible promotions outside of the realm of cheap misspell/redirect tricks capitalizing on other peoples hardwork and your abilities to take advantage. Don't start getting pissy because people protect the trademarks and brandnames they've put actual work into.

Just my 2 cents.

TeenCat · 04-06-2010, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by munki

Stop complaining, and learn how to do some credible promotions outside of the realm of cheap misspell/redirect tricks capitalizing on other peoples hardwork and your abilities to take advantage. Don't start getting pissy because people protect the trademarks and brandnames they've put actual work into.

Just my 2 cents.

man but something else is doing redirects and something else is making seo sites to get ranked better than all that free forums and tube sites

munki · 04-06-2010, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by TeenCat

man but something else is doing redirects and something else is making seo sites to get ranked better than all that free forums and tube sites

Don't build an "se" site reliant on others trademarks or brands for search volume...

It's rather shortsighted anyways...

pradaboy · 04-06-2010, 08:39 AM

btw what kind of domains does this concern, blatant typos?

darksoul · 04-06-2010, 08:53 AM

speak with your traffic.

TeenCat · 04-06-2010, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by munki

Don't build an "se" site reliant on others trademarks or brands for search volume...

It's rather shortsighted anyways...

its like saying "i am selling cars" and not "i am selling volvo" ... if i am selling volvo i cannot say that i am selling just cars or i will have no volvo sales

Caligari · 04-06-2010, 09:08 AM

then domain name parodies will have to work "Not Nasty Dollars XXX"

pradaboy · 04-06-2010, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by TeenCat

its like saying "i am selling cars" and not "i am selling volvo" ... if i am selling volvo i cannot say that i am selling just cars or i will have no volvo sales

That's a poor example, a Volvo dealer is licensed to sell Volvo cars.

munki · 04-06-2010, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by TeenCat

its like saying "i am selling cars" and not "i am selling volvo" ... if i am selling volvo i cannot say that i am selling just cars or i will have no volvo sales

But you don't get to throw a Volvo dealer sign on your business because you have one Volvo on the lot... Some companies are smart enough to protect their brand and its implied or explicit usage. Most of the offname, typo'd, or tm/brand variation names are blatant attempts to thin out what would otherwise be solid traffic sources for sites that have put a lot of time and effort into building.

pradaboy · 04-06-2010, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by munki

But you don't get to throw a Volvo dealer sign on your business because you have one Volvo on the lot... Some companies are smart enough to protect their brand and its implied or explicit usage. Most of the offname, typo'd, or tm/brand variation names are blatant attempts to thin out what would otherwise be solid traffic sources for sites that have put a lot of time and effort into building.

While I understand your point, the fact that these domains remain unregistered speaks against them. If ND do not register bignatural.com that traffic will be wasted forever. If an affiliate is smart enough to pick it up and forward it through his linking code ND still wins, because they get the sales minus the PPS for the affiliate instead of no sales at all.

(example can be used for any typo)

munki · 04-06-2010, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by pradaboy

While I understand your point, the fact that these domains remain unregistered speaks against them. If ND do not register bignatural.com that traffic will be wasted forever. If an affiliate is smart enough to pick it up and forward it through his linking code ND still wins, because they get the sales minus the PPS for the affiliate instead of no sales at all.

(example can be used for any typo)

That's throwing a lot of variables at a situation that shouldn't exist in the first place. Traffic wasn't going to an un-regged typo domain until someone regged, and seo'd it to get some results flowing... Ultimately those results that never should've been end up taking money away from the programs who would've had an organic or se join otherwise, and time and effort has to be spent to return the domain to TM/Brand owner and ultimately redirected until the traffic source is once again non existent and the original brand can recover from having its results obfuscated and dilluted.

andrej_NDC · 04-06-2010, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by munki

Stop complaining, and learn how to do some credible promotions outside of the realm of cheap misspell/redirect tricks capitalizing on other peoples hardwork and your abilities to take advantage. Don't start getting pissy because people protect the trademarks and brandnames they've put actual work into.

Just my 2 cents.

How is it not credible? The sponsors can do it by themselfs...they can buy all the domains they want. Just because they don't want to or are too stupid to do it, they can't blame the affiliates for doing it later. I say fuck them, too.

tonyparra · 04-06-2010, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by munki

That's throwing a lot of variables at a situation that shouldn't exist in the first place. Traffic wasn't going to an un-regged typo domain until someone regged, and seo'd it to get some results flowing... Ultimately those results that never should've been end up taking money away from the programs who would've had an organic or se join otherwise, and time and effort has to be spent to return the domain to TM/Brand owner and ultimately redirected until the traffic source is once again non existent and the original brand can recover from having its results obfuscated and dilluted.

that is wrong. sorry. use google.

pradaboy · 04-06-2010, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by munki

That's throwing a lot of variables at a situation that shouldn't exist in the first place. Traffic wasn't going to an un-regged typo domain until someone regged, and seo'd it to get some results flowing... Ultimately those results that never should've been end up taking money away from the programs who would've had an organic or se join otherwise, and time and effort has to be spent to return the domain to TM/Brand owner and ultimately redirected until the traffic source is once again non existent and the original brand can recover from having its results obfuscated and dilluted.

Of course the traffic exists even when the domain is unregged. SEO has nothing to do with it. People type-in a domain name to reach that website, this has nothing to do with search engines. How do you know that someone typing in a non-existing website will eventually end up at the one they intended in the first place? You don't.

Si · 04-06-2010, 09:40 AM

Fuck 'em

Robocrop · 04-06-2010, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by munki

Stop complaining, and learn how to do some credible promotions outside of the realm of cheap misspell/redirect tricks capitalizing on other peoples hardwork and your abilities to take advantage. Don't start getting pissy because people protect the trademarks and brandnames they've put actual work into.

Just my 2 cents.

So by exercising common knowledge to gain traffic for your sponsor is stealing from them or what are you exactly saying? I dont claim to BE the company I push traffic to, I just make sure to send them from every fucking source there is to make them + myself a richer man.

If they arent happy with that, well fine sue me.

SEO Expert · 04-06-2010, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by munki

That's throwing a lot of variables at a situation that shouldn't exist in the first place. Traffic wasn't going to an un-regged typo domain until someone regged, and seo'd it to get some results flowing... Ultimately those results that never should've been end up taking money away from the programs who would've had an organic or se join otherwise, and time and effort has to be spent to return the domain to TM/Brand owner and ultimately redirected until the traffic source is once again non existent and the original brand can recover from having its results obfuscated and dilluted.

You are a fucking idiot.

seeandsee · 04-06-2010, 10:32 AM

if you promote their programs and they were taking your traffic for ages then dont ask domains

BFT3K · 04-06-2010, 10:37 AM

I don't think it is right for affiliates (or even non-affiliates) to register variations of your domain name(s) under the guise that they are simply promoting YOUR program, because within no time they are either blatantly dropping you from the pages, or at the very least, adding other sponsors.

How is that fair to the program owner? Why should a network of multiple sites be forced to register each site sixteen ways from Sunday, just to keep leaches from stealing their SE traffic?

This industry really needs some business ethics, but as that will never happen, I guess everyone is just out to fuck everyone else it seems. Of course there is no future in destroying your own industry in the long run, but I suppose whatever you can grab today is all that matters... just sucks!

TeenCat · 04-06-2010, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by pradaboy

That's a poor example, a Volvo dealer is licensed to sell Volvo cars.

if i register as affiliate to sponsor, i am licensed to sell their sites. i am always promoting only site that fits the domain. maybe thats why naughty america is still ok with me, and i hope and believe that nastydollars will end the same. but its not everyones case, thats for sure

SRT8 · 04-06-2010, 10:55 AM

its all bullshit and anyone siding with these sponsors pulling shady shit are the ones who say sponsors dont shave. get fucking real. less money more greed. cut out paying the affiliate more money for them. end of fucking story. if you are selling their sites there should be no reason u cant target terms to get traffic for those keywords... how else you expect to get sales these days? how about instead steal their content and make huge tubes with their content and send traffic to dating sponsor. see if they like that.

who says its their SE traffic? are you nuts? thats the whole affiliate model.. its just being killed slowly. they have their main domain to get rank #1 they have the money to pay SEO guy to do so. if not their fucking loss. now all SE traffic is suddenly theres? then dont accept affiliates if you dont want any SE traffic from sites that are promoting your program and making you money.

SRT8 · 04-06-2010, 10:57 AM

also they already put a stop to PPC thats pure targetted SE traffic they rank #1 for and get all traffic... everything else should be fair game. they are not playing fair now

SRT8 · 04-06-2010, 10:59 AM

munki go fuck yourself you big ear faggot

SRT8 · 04-06-2010, 11:01 AM

these programs dont own the SEs. they already get the PPC traffic for exact terms and any other relevant terms. What good is affiliates now anyways if they dont want people getting SE traffic to promote their sites. they got beat at their own game and got mad so they pulled a fast one and took their loyal affiliates and shit all over them.

SRT8 · 04-06-2010, 11:04 AM

its only the people that buy drinks and the bros that are siding with people pulling shit like this. they should of never let anyone register a domain since way back when.. no they waited till the period was almost over then sent out that email and gave people 3 days to respond or else lose all funds and account. yeah thanks ND, great way to say a big fuck you for making you money all these years.

munki · 04-06-2010, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by SEO Expert

You are a fucking idiot.

Sly · 04-06-2010, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by munki

Stop complaining, and learn how to do some credible promotions outside of the realm of cheap misspell/redirect tricks capitalizing on other peoples hardwork and your abilities to take advantage. Don't start getting pissy because people protect the trademarks and brandnames they've put actual work into.

Just my 2 cents.

What is the difference between ranking: paysiteiscool.com and ranking randomdomain.com/paysite or paysite.randomdomain.com ?

Furthermore, I ask sponsors to think of this... go to Google and type in your pay site name. Would you rather see 100 listings of sites with silly domains and 10 free pics promoting you? Or 100 listings of message boards, torrent directories, and tube sites giving away full length videos?

u-Bob · 04-06-2010, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

What is the difference between ranking: paysiteiscool.com and ranking randomdomain.com/paysite or paysite.randomdomain.com ?

Furthermore, I ask sponsors to think of this... go to Google and type in your pay site name. Would you rather see 100 listings of sites with silly domains and 10 free pics promoting you? Or 100 listings of message boards, torrent directories, and tube sites giving away full length videos?

q f t

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SEO Expert · 04-06-2010, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SRT8

these programs dont own the SEs. they already get the PPC traffic for exact terms and any other relevant terms. What good is affiliates now anyways if they dont want people getting SE traffic to promote their sites. they got beat at their own game and got mad so they pulled a fast one and took their loyal affiliates and shit all over them.

If someone pulled shit like that on me, I would take their search terms like "naughty america", rank it for top spots and then send the traffic to competitors.

(that's regarding SE though, not talking about domain squatting here - it's stupid anyway)

SRT8 · 04-06-2010, 02:49 PM

domain squatting is defined how? whats wrong with having realitykingstgp.com if you are strictly promoting realitykings and not using their members area content or full movies or anything shady? it helps sell their site better too. thats domain squatting?

GrouchyAdmin · 04-06-2010, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SRT8

domain squatting is defined how? whats wrong with having realitykingstgp.com if you are strictly promoting realitykings and not using their members area content or full movies or anything shady? it helps sell their site better too. thats domain squatting?

It's a common 'I spend $10 on something and link to you to get $100 PPS off of content that cost you over $20,000 to produce' practice. I think both sides are kind of at fault for that.

Robocrop · 04-06-2010, 03:59 PM

Some good responses in this thread, I think Sly kinda nailed it tho..thanks dude

Emma · 04-06-2010, 04:17 PM

SRT8 · 04-06-2010, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin

It's a common 'I spend $10 on something and link to you to get $100 PPS off of content that cost you over $20,000 to produce' practice. I think both sides are kind of at fault for that.

you lost me. everyday is 100pps? how does that have anything to do with a domain?

The Sultan Of Smut · 04-06-2010, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Robocrop

Some good responses in this thread, I think Sly kinda nailed it tho..thanks dude

I agree and I don't know why everyone complains as long as they pay you out you can take your traffic elsewhere. Sponsors are dime a dozen and besides I've noticed that smaller programs often have better micro niche targeted sites anyway.

RayBonga · 04-06-2010, 04:46 PM

can someone post a specific example of a domain that caused this kind of trouble with nastydollars? I'm curious about what exactly they are doing.

GrouchyAdmin · 04-06-2010, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SRT8

you lost me. everyday is 100pps? how does that have anything to do with a domain?

Quite simple.

Program pays $20,000 (less/more) to create not only content, but a brandable site.

You spend $10 to 'take' that name and redirect it to them.

Sometimes they get pissed and want it back. Kind of a bitch move on both parts.

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04-06-2010, 08:17 AM	#1
Robocrop Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Hollywood Posts: 2,785	Enough is enough, affiliates STEP INSIDE! Alright, first we got AWE...doing their thing, NA cease the moment and throws a "killing the affiliate" parade, now NastyDollars cannot float on the illegal tubes pushing Fling.com so they call NA and ask what the best way to snatch domains would be. I wonder how many more programs will follow the parade, but most of all..how many affiliates will stand up for the case and how many will be pussys and push over the domains to what's NOT the rightful owners. Any sponsor program telling me that they want a domain, can suck my dick...thanks! So stand up for the cause, its not like they can/will sue 100+ affiliates. Fuck the shady fuckers If you stand up for the cause, say ay in this tread and keep bumping it for the greater good of God.

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BFT3K Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Narnia Posts: 10,764	I don't think it is right for affiliates (or even non-affiliates) to register variations of your domain name(s) under the guise that they are simply promoting YOUR program, because within no time they are either blatantly dropping you from the pages, or at the very least, adding other sponsors. How is that fair to the program owner? Why should a network of multiple sites be forced to register each site sixteen ways from Sunday, just to keep leaches from stealing their SE traffic? This industry really needs some business ethics, but as that will never happen, I guess everyone is just out to fuck everyone else it seems. Of course there is no future in destroying your own industry in the long run, but I suppose whatever you can grab today is all that matters... just sucks! Last edited by BFT3K; 04-06-2010 at 10:41 AM..

04-06-2010, 10:55 AM	#28
SRT8 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 185	its all bullshit and anyone siding with these sponsors pulling shady shit are the ones who say sponsors dont shave. get fucking real. less money more greed. cut out paying the affiliate more money for them. end of fucking story. if you are selling their sites there should be no reason u cant target terms to get traffic for those keywords... how else you expect to get sales these days? how about instead steal their content and make huge tubes with their content and send traffic to dating sponsor. see if they like that. who says its their SE traffic? are you nuts? thats the whole affiliate model.. its just being killed slowly. they have their main domain to get rank #1 they have the money to pay SEO guy to do so. if not their fucking loss. now all SE traffic is suddenly theres? then dont accept affiliates if you dont want any SE traffic from sites that are promoting your program and making you money.

04-06-2010, 10:57 AM	#29
SRT8 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 185	also they already put a stop to PPC thats pure targetted SE traffic they rank #1 for and get all traffic... everything else should be fair game. they are not playing fair now

04-06-2010, 10:59 AM	#30
SRT8 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 185	munki go fuck yourself you big ear faggot

04-06-2010, 11:01 AM	#31
SRT8 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 185	these programs dont own the SEs. they already get the PPC traffic for exact terms and any other relevant terms. What good is affiliates now anyways if they dont want people getting SE traffic to promote their sites. they got beat at their own game and got mad so they pulled a fast one and took their loyal affiliates and shit all over them.

04-06-2010, 11:04 AM	#32
SRT8 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 185	its only the people that buy drinks and the bros that are siding with people pulling shit like this. they should of never let anyone register a domain since way back when.. no they waited till the period was almost over then sent out that email and gave people 3 days to respond or else lose all funds and account. yeah thanks ND, great way to say a big fuck you for making you money all these years.

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04-06-2010, 02:49 PM	#43
SRT8 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 185	domain squatting is defined how? whats wrong with having realitykingstgp.com if you are strictly promoting realitykings and not using their members area content or full movies or anything shady? it helps sell their site better too. thats domain squatting?

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RayBonga too cool for highschool Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: East side, West side, Worldwide! Posts: 12,164	can someone post a specific example of a domain that caused this kind of trouble with nastydollars? I'm curious about what exactly they are doing.