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  • gleem
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    • Jun 2001
    • 5593
    #1

    Any reason for sponosors to make WMV galleries/ why not just Flash gals?

    Is there any reason anymore for a sponsor to make WMV galleries in the old crappy format of 3 short clips? Since most sponsors are making FLV clips for legal tube sites and embeds, can't we just do a 1:30 flv embed gallery page?

    Do the MGP sites accept gallery pages with one 1:30sec video embedded in the middle of it?

    What about just doing a gallery with a single 1:30 wmv?




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    • GrouchyAdmin
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      • Apr 2006
      • 12085
      #2
      Some older promo/fhg scrapers don't do flash.

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        • leg4
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          • May 2003
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          #3
          I think most tgp's/mgp's still want an actual .wmv/.mpg file???
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            • redwhiteandblue
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              • Jun 2007
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              #4
              What's funny is that you see some sponsors doing Flash galleries still with 3 - 4 short clips instead of one long one.....why?
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                • gleem
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                  • Jun 2001
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                  #5
                  Originally posted by redwhiteandblue
                  What's funny is that you see some sponsors doing Flash galleries still with 3 - 4 short clips instead of one long one.....why?
                  the purpose of 3 - 4 short clips (15 to 20 sec) of mpg,wmv or whatever back in the day was because people had slow as hell modems (56k) so you needed to break em up so they can download em in less than 10 minutes per clip. Then once the highspeed ISP hit I think it was left this way as a "fuck you join for better viewing" to the surfers, but of course that was before the tubes ;)




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                    • leg4
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                      • May 2003
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                      #6
                      What do you think is a good time now?

                      30 seconds clips? 1 minute? more?
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                        • gleem
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                          • Jun 2001
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                          #7
                          Originally posted by GrouchyAdmin
                          Some older promo/fhg scrapers don't do flash.
                          k, I can see that point, but is there any reason to do three 30 second clips instead of one 1:30sec clip?




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                            • gleem
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                              • Jun 2001
                              • 5593
                              #8
                              Originally posted by leg4
                              What do you think is a good time now?

                              30 seconds clips? 1 minute? more?
                              I had always done three 15 sec clips or 20 sec clips, and I started getting complaints from affiliates that MGPs need at least 90 seconds per gallery or they won't list. So I will be switching to 90 second galleries, just not sure if I will do one clip or split into 3.




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                                • john FVC
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                                  • Jan 2004
                                  • 671
                                  #9
                                  We have been looking into this ourselves and we believe flash hosted galleries are the way ahead. The problem as you have said is getting MGP/TGP sites to accept them and with business down for everyone folk are less inclined to take chances.

                                  I think a minimum clip of 2 minutes would be about right. Also.. the res of the clip should be close to the original. The tube sites at the moment have very poor quality and small res vids so we could at least have an advantage in that dept.

                                  At the moment we are converting all of our vids on our paysite to flash but still giving them the option to download the wmvs.

                                  It would be interesting to hear the opinion of both affiliates and MGP owners on this matter.


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                                    • alexchechs
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                                      • May 2008
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                                      #10
                                      We offer both but are moving more towards doing the flash clips so that users can instantly watch the clips.
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                                          #11
                                          some real good points in this thread

                                          i agree one longer flash should do

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                                            • gleem
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                                              • Jun 2001
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                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by john FVC
                                              I think a minimum clip of 2 minutes would be about right. Also.. the res of the clip should be close to the original. The tube sites at the moment have very poor quality and small res vids so we could at least have an advantage in that dept.
                                              Full rez would come out to about 52megs per minute, so you would put out a gallery with 104mb file in it or close to it? Hope you have some really cheap BW! lol




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                                                • dirtybaker1331
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                                                  • Nov 2008
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                                                  #13
                                                  It's like going for a jog with a girlfriend. You have to go slow so she can stay on pace with you. The second you start running you will find yourself running alone. We ran for a little bit then realized we were leaving some affiliates behind. I agree the future is not in short wmv multi-clip galleries but some older submitter accounts require it. We actually just did a huge revamp on all our FHG's this week. This is not a thread hijack but here are our new designs from Naughty America.

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                                                    • FrozenJag
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                                                      • Oct 2006
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                                                      #14
                                                      I dont care what kinda galleries you make as long as they are thumbable in smart thumbs and they are optimized for CTR and Conversions.

                                                      I think everyone should be analyzing data of their galleries and seeing which kinds and styles give the best CTR and Conversions and go with them. Oh and its very important to offer both picture and movie galleries oviously.

                                                      Pic surfers are here to stay for sure, and for me make for better sales.

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                                                        • the Shemp
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                                                          • Nov 2001
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                                                          #15
                                                          ive been accepting one movie flash galleries for almost a year.. 1 minute minimum, longer is better
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                                                            • EZRhino
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                                                              • Jul 2003
                                                              • 6258
                                                              #16
                                                              Great thread, bump for more discussion. Most of my recomendations to clients have been 1 min to 1 min 30 sec clips in flv, for the galleries. Beware of bandwidth and measure cost vs reward.

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                                                                • TDF
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                                                                  • Mar 2002
                                                                  • 27296
                                                                  #17
                                                                  devilbucks has 3 minute and 5 minute flash clips
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                                                                    • john FVC
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                                                                      • Jan 2004
                                                                      • 671
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by gleem
                                                                      Full rez would come out to about 52megs per minute, so you would put out a gallery with 104mb file in it or close to it? Hope you have some really cheap BW! lol
                                                                      I did say "Also.. the res of the clip should be close to the original" I have run a few tests and we output our video at a res of 800 x 450. A 2 min flash video at this res with a bit rate of 1055 using a H.264 codec bats in at 17mb.

                                                                      A lot of Hi Def sites have trailers on their main pages in excess of 30mb and as far as bandwidth is concerned. Its never been cheaper than it is now. I dont know where you get your figures from..


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                                                                        • john FVC
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                                                                          • Jan 2004
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                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by the Shemp
                                                                          ive been accepting one movie flash galleries for almost a year.. 1 minute minimum, longer is better
                                                                          Good to know Shemp


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                                                                            • BV
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                                                                              • Sep 2001
                                                                              • 10914
                                                                              #20
                                                                              I think the multiple clips was also intended to frustrate the surfer provoking him to buy.

                                                                              As far as format I am a firm believer in letting them sample the format for which they are buying.

                                                                              If you have wmv in the members area, i feel it's a good idea to have them on your gallery, so the customer knows and is sampling exactly what he is going to purchase. (thus eliminating any surprises resulting in a dissatisfied customer)

                                                                              like so: (been doing one clip since April 2007)
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                                                                              However, in order to keep all affiliates happy I also do some flash galleries with one long clip & pics to hopefully make everyone happy:

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                                                                                • Paul Markham
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                                                                                  • Jun 2001
                                                                                  • 52942
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by gleem
                                                                                  Full rez would come out to about 52megs per minute, so you would put out a gallery with 104mb file in it or close to it? Hope you have some really cheap BW! lol
                                                                                  You would need to bring the quality way down.

                                                                                  Originally posted by BV
                                                                                  I think the multiple clips was also intended to frustrate the surfer provoking him to buy.
                                                                                  Those days are long gone. How many Tubes are there just to get Dating and Webcam sales?



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                                                                                    • BV
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                                                                                      • Sep 2001
                                                                                      • 10914
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                      Those days are long gone. How many Tubes are there just to get Dating and Webcam sales?
                                                                                      Yes I agree.

                                                                                      I have not made multiple clip galleries in over 5 years.

                                                                                      Was just commenting on what the purpose of them were. (in conjunction with loading faster for slower connections)

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                                                                                        • raymor
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                                                                                          • Oct 2002
                                                                                          • 3745
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Flash isn't available for Win XP 64, Win7 64, Windows mobile ... not too mention less common platforms like iPad, it's often crappy performance with Mac and Linux 64, etc.

                                                                                          An unpackaged mpeg4, not wrapped inside a Flash or wmv package, will play
                                                                                          on virtually ANY platform, from WebTV to iPad.
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                                                                                            • aniloscash
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                                                                                              • Oct 2008
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                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              I agree with ya. but what we did with all our existing galleries was make flash versions. Just stream the 3 short clips together as a flv. they are doing really well so far. gives you a nice 1 and half minute video trailer. 3 scenes kind of.
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                                                                                                • aniloscash
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                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by FrozenJag
                                                                                                  I dont care what kinda galleries you make as long as they are thumbable in smart thumbs and they are optimized for CTR and Conversions.

                                                                                                  I think everyone should be analyzing data of their galleries and seeing which kinds and styles give the best CTR and Conversions and go with them. Oh and its very important to offer both picture and movie galleries oviously.

                                                                                                  Pic surfers are here to stay for sure, and for me make for better sales.
                                                                                                  I agree with you also. We just made some new templates based on the designs that had the best CTR.
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                                                                                                    • gleem
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                                                                                                      • Jun 2001
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                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by raymor
                                                                                                      Flash isn't available for Win XP 64, Win7 64, Windows mobile ... not too mention less common platforms like iPad, it's often crappy performance with Mac and Linux 64, etc.

                                                                                                      An unpackaged mpeg4, not wrapped inside a Flash or wmv package, will play
                                                                                                      on virtually ANY platform, from WebTV to iPad.
                                                                                                      hmm, how can you play them in a flash based player if the machine has no flash?




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                                                                                                        • Emma
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                                                                                                          • Apr 2003
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                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          both are fine

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