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  • lazycash
    Troll Patrol
    • Aug 2002
    • 15214

    #16
    Originally posted by EscortBiz
    DISCLAIMER: I do not know the OP and my comments are simply general comments.

    Developing a project and making it live isn?t always the best route to go if you will need money in order to generate income.

    If you go to an investor and you tell him ?Check out my site, its live and it make 0 dollars, please invest? even thou you can say you need cash to promote etc. most people will not give you money.

    Now if you manage to make it live and show that with 500 visitors a day you are making 250 bucks (just example), now you can easily find investors.

    If you are in a stage where all you have is a business plan, then this stage is easier to find investors than if you had the site live, Yet still hard.

    Time to see money is a big factor too, asking someone to invest in something and it will be live in a year will not fly in these days.

    Now you could tell an investor the project is 95% done (given its true), and you need money to finish and market. This way he can?t say ?hey why are there no sales??

    In general innovation beats copying someone. The problem is most people think that changing a background color on a dating site is innovative enough to make people forget everyone else and run to you.

    How many times in the past few years did someone come to you with an idea and the convo went like this:

    Them: I have this amazing idea, I want to start a worldwide auction site

    You: Well, there is ebay

    Them: Annoyed, well first off ebay charges 1 dollar a listing ill charge 75 cents, second ebay doesnt allow you to select what font you want for your title and I will.

    You: (annoyed as hell reply with one of the two either a) Oh wow I didn?t know that, I think you got something there. (or B) well I don?t think it stands a chance, I think ebay has the market cornered and it?s hard to get tons of traffic to make a new auction site now work.

    NOW if you replied with a) ?Oh wow I didn?t know that, I think you got something there.? Just because you wanted to be a nice guy, you just fucked yourself really good, because here comes the genious with more garbage.

    Them: Yeah, and I already spoke to a friend of mine who puts things on ebay and he told me he?d list on my site, plus my girlfriend can tell her friends on myspace and facebook about it.

    You: wow that?s amazing

    Them: you know dell started in a garage and facebook in a dorm room

    You: defiantly wow

    Them: listen to this, you won?t believe it, the domain BetterThenEbayAuctions.com is available, I registered it last night.

    You: WOW it was available?

    Them: yeah, my girlfriend found it, im so glad I have her in my life, she?s so different than all other girls out there.

    You: I agree, shes not your typical girl

    Them: Anyway, I will need to raise like 200k to make it happen, the potential is amazing, even if I capture 1% of the market im looking at making over $2 million a month.

    You: And you can definitely capture more than 1%

    Them: I know that, and I just checked, ebay has over 23 Billion dollars of cash in the bank, you know once they see us out there they will make an offer to buy us.

    You: Yeah they don?t want anyone killing their business

    Them: You know myspace sold for 600 million and youtube for almost $2 billion, I wouldn?t be surprised if ebay offers us 1 billion dollars just to go away

    You: Yeah, who knows, even if they offer you $100 million it?s a great return

    Them: (angry) $100 million? If they offer me that I?ll tell them to take a hike

    You: Yeah you are right, $100 million is kinda low

    Them: So im going to raise money, I know you for a long time, I feel I should give you the opportunity first

    You: (now you feel officially anally violated, all you where doing was being nice, he knows you have cash, now you are in a bit of a trap) yeah sounds real good, I appreciate that

    Them: I figure ill sell 1% of the company for 200k, obviously if it was someone else I would only offer them 0.5%

    You: sounds real good (now you pull out the old bullshit line) you have a business plan?

    Them: Yeah im working on putting it together

    You: Well once you have it send it right away

    Them: Def, please I trust you so I didn?t have you sign a NDA, but don?t tell this to anyone

    You: (about to throw up) def. not you know you can trust me

    And right about when you think you got out of it, and you start dodging him like someone would try to doge a bullet, you start hearing from the whole planet that hes telling everyone that you are on board, your friends start thinking you went nuts, hes babbling and why? Because you couldn?t just do the right thing and tell them ?Sorry your idea is not unique enough.?

    Fast forward 8 months, you bump into him or pick up his call by mistake.

    Them: Hey whats up

    You: (contemplating should I just bang down) hey how you been

    Them: Well let me bring you up to date, remember my girl, turns out she was a all out gold digger whore, she used me

    You: wow im surprised

    Them: Anyway that auction idea, I decided not to do, but if you want to do it I have no problem with that

    I can go on and on, but im getting a bit tired lol

    Tell us your experiences
    Lol, that was hilarious and I can definitely see that happening, reminded me immediately of this guy - http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=919358
    "WTF, on google you can find the answer to every question in human history, EXCEPT how to convert cams..

    Its crazy..."

    VenusBlogger

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    • AlCapone
      Confirmed User
      • Sep 2003
      • 708

      #17
      Ideas are best left for when everything else is done.
      "You can get more with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone.”

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      • AaronM
        GFY Royality ;)
        • Oct 2001
        • 46923

        #18
        I've been on the wrong side of the conversation EB went over a few times.

        But I got this new idea now......

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        • sojproductions
          Confirmed User
          • Aug 2006
          • 2160

          #19
          haha, that speech thread does sound familiar!!
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          • EscortBiz
            Fuck Checks, CASH only!
            • May 2002
            • 19422

            #20
            Originally posted by lazycash
            Lol, that was hilarious and I can definitely see that happening, reminded me immediately of this guy - http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=919358
            never even saw that thread lol

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            • mx8829
              Confirmed User
              • Jan 2005
              • 891

              #21
              Thank you for your valid input guys. Yes we already have the beta version out, we are running some internal tests and ironing out the bugs. We are hoping to go live by end of April and our mobile apps will be released in the following months. First being iPhone app in May.

              It does seem we are better off doing this ourselfs and going back to VC's when we want to expand. Will keep you all posted.
              contact jambojack at gmail

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              • FreeHugeMovies
                Too lazy to set a custom title
                • Dec 2001
                • 14141

                #22
                EB tell everyone the story you told me about your friend who got all those free lunches! That's a classic story!

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                • fatfoo
                  ICQ:649699063
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 27763

                  #23
                  You're investing such huge amounts of money. Unbelievable... Good luck with your social app that is in the online dating space, mx8829.

                  By the way, "Executive Summary" = Excellent section in the business report. Well done.
                  Send me an email: [email protected]

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                  • Young
                    Bland for life
                    • Nov 2004
                    • 10468

                    #24
                    Originally posted by HandballJim
                    watch this guy knock facebook out, and you guys could have invested.
                    I met Mark Z. at the Foggy Goggle on Boylston St in Boston in 2004/2005. I was introduced casually through a former friend (think trustfund douche bag who likes to boast and was talking to him about investing) because we both had things going on on the web. He was a major douchebag (Mark) and I tossed his "The Facebook" card in the trash literally 5 seconds after he walked away. He had wanted me to email him about some PHP dev.

                    100% True Story

                    So ya...it's possible
                    ★★★

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                    • Nicky
                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 30071

                      #25
                      Originally posted by lazycash
                      Lol, that was hilarious and I can definitely see that happening, reminded me immediately of this guy - http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=919358
                      Oh man, that's epic.

                      gfynicky @ gmail.com

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                      • Theo
                        HAL 9000
                        • May 2001
                        • 34515

                        #26
                        send me the executive summary please. [email protected] - thank you

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                        • HandballJim
                          Confirmed User
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 4024

                          #27
                          Originally posted by EscortBiz
                          DISCLAIMER: I do not know the OP and my comments are simply general comments.

                          Developing a project and making it live isn?t always the best route to go if you will need money in order to generate income.

                          If you go to an investor and you tell him ?Check out my site, its live and it make 0 dollars, please invest? even thou you can say you need cash to promote etc. most people will not give you money.

                          Now if you manage to make it live and show that with 500 visitors a day you are making 250 bucks (just example), now you can easily find investors.

                          If you are in a stage where all you have is a business plan, then this stage is easier to find investors than if you had the site live, Yet still hard.

                          Time to see money is a big factor too, asking someone to invest in something and it will be live in a year will not fly in these days.

                          Now you could tell an investor the project is 95% done (given its true), and you need money to finish and market. This way he can?t say ?hey why are there no sales??

                          In general innovation beats copying someone. The problem is most people think that changing a background color on a dating site is innovative enough to make people forget everyone else and run to you.

                          How many times in the past few years did someone come to you with an idea and the convo went like this:

                          Them: I have this amazing idea, I want to start a worldwide auction site

                          You: Well, there is ebay

                          Them: Annoyed, well first off ebay charges 1 dollar a listing ill charge 75 cents, second ebay doesnt allow you to select what font you want for your title and I will.

                          You: (annoyed as hell reply with one of the two either a) Oh wow I didn?t know that, I think you got something there. (or B) well I don?t think it stands a chance, I think ebay has the market cornered and it?s hard to get tons of traffic to make a new auction site now work.

                          NOW if you replied with a) ?Oh wow I didn?t know that, I think you got something there.? Just because you wanted to be a nice guy, you just fucked yourself really good, because here comes the genious with more garbage.

                          Them: Yeah, and I already spoke to a friend of mine who puts things on ebay and he told me he?d list on my site, plus my girlfriend can tell her friends on myspace and facebook about it.

                          You: wow that?s amazing

                          Them: you know dell started in a garage and facebook in a dorm room

                          You: defiantly wow

                          Them: listen to this, you won?t believe it, the domain BetterThenEbayAuctions.com is available, I registered it last night.

                          You: WOW it was available?

                          Them: yeah, my girlfriend found it, im so glad I have her in my life, she?s so different than all other girls out there.

                          You: I agree, shes not your typical girl

                          Them: Anyway, I will need to raise like 200k to make it happen, the potential is amazing, even if I capture 1% of the market im looking at making over $2 million a month.

                          You: And you can definitely capture more than 1%

                          Them: I know that, and I just checked, ebay has over 23 Billion dollars of cash in the bank, you know once they see us out there they will make an offer to buy us.

                          You: Yeah they don?t want anyone killing their business

                          Them: You know myspace sold for 600 million and youtube for almost $2 billion, I wouldn?t be surprised if ebay offers us 1 billion dollars just to go away

                          You: Yeah, who knows, even if they offer you $100 million it?s a great return

                          Them: (angry) $100 million? If they offer me that I?ll tell them to take a hike

                          You: Yeah you are right, $100 million is kinda low

                          Them: So im going to raise money, I know you for a long time, I feel I should give you the opportunity first

                          You: (now you feel officially anally violated, all you where doing was being nice, he knows you have cash, now you are in a bit of a trap) yeah sounds real good, I appreciate that

                          Them: I figure ill sell 1% of the company for 200k, obviously if it was someone else I would only offer them 0.5%

                          You: sounds real good (now you pull out the old bullshit line) you have a business plan?

                          Them: Yeah im working on putting it together

                          You: Well once you have it send it right away

                          Them: Def, please I trust you so I didn?t have you sign a NDA, but don?t tell this to anyone

                          You: (about to throw up) def. not you know you can trust me

                          And right about when you think you got out of it, and you start dodging him like someone would try to doge a bullet, you start hearing from the whole planet that hes telling everyone that you are on board, your friends start thinking you went nuts, hes babbling and why? Because you couldn?t just do the right thing and tell them ?Sorry your idea is not unique enough.?

                          Fast forward 8 months, you bump into him or pick up his call by mistake.

                          Them: Hey whats up

                          You: (contemplating should I just bang down) hey how you been

                          Them: Well let me bring you up to date, remember my girl, turns out she was a all out gold digger whore, she used me

                          You: wow im surprised

                          Them: Anyway that auction idea, I decided not to do, but if you want to do it I have no problem with that

                          I can go on and on, but im getting a bit tired lol

                          Tell us your experiences
                          wow I need you...I been trying to get the sport of NYC one-wall Handball to go mainstream for 10 years...it's still a future project for me, but at the moment focusing on adult for extra monthly income. Handball is the poor man's sport...its been tough trying to generate income from my Handball websites.
                          HOW I MAKE LOTS OF $$$

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