Healthcare - A Privilege Or A Right?
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I'll take blanket statement for $500, Alex. I believe you called me a Democrat for mentioning classical liberalism. You're right, it is sad to see what school have done to the US population. Or rather, it's sad to see half wits not even attending school.Greed is Good
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The doctrine of fundamental rights is a feature of United States law under which certain human rights that are enshrined in the U.S. Constitution are given a high degree of judicial deference in conflicts between individual liberty and governmental intrusion. Although many fundamental rights are also more widely considered to be human rights, the classification of a right as fundamental invokes specific legal tests used by courts to determine the carefully constrained conditions under which the United States government and the various state governments may impose limitations on these rights.
as generally determined whether rights are to be considered fundamental by examining the historical foundations of those rights, and determining whether their protection was part of a longstanding tradition. Other rights may be guaranteed as fundamental by individual states.
Some rights generally recognized as fundamental at the federal level follows[citation needed]:
* Right to keep and bear arms
* Right to freedom of movement within the country
* Right to property
* Right to marry the person of any race
* Right to procreate irrespective of marital status or other classifications
* Right to freedom of association
* Right to freedom of speech
* Right to equal protection under the law
* Right to freedom of thought
* Right to vote in general election
* Right to freedom of contract by parties with proportional bargaining power
* Right to privacy
* Right to direct a child's upbringing [1]Comment
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above are all rights
* Right to keep and bear arms
* Right to freedom of movement within the country
* Right to property
* Right to marry the person of any race
* Right to procreate irrespective of marital status or other classifications
* Right to freedom of association
* Right to freedom of speech
* Right to equal protection under the law
* Right to freedom of thought
* Right to vote in general election
* Right to freedom of contract by parties with proportional bargaining power
* Right to privacy
* Right to direct a child's upbringing [1]
healthcare is a good, just like food, wellfare, job, housing
I said it before and will try it again, you cannot make a good into a fundamental rightComment
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you mean "goods" like arms & property?
Moreover, your assertion is garbage. The miller test provides no "carefully constrained conditions" to prevent the government from denying pornographers the right to free speech. Neither does the USA patriot act with respect to privacy. In fact the history of US law is the slow revokation of most fundamental rights you listed.
in most developed nations, health care is a right. In money obsessed USA, it is a priveledge reserved for those who can pay.Comment
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my last comment in this thread...
its utterly embarassing to see how the right wing is handling health care reform. They have overy demonized the bill, calling it a government takeover when there isn't even a public option. They seem concerned only with the welfare of the healthy & the wealthy, they have no ideas on how to turn around a system that is driving millions out of the insurance markets at the same time much of the industry is awash in wall street like profiteering. I'm not too excited about the reform bill, but the right wing has absolutely nothing to offer america but fear & class warfare. Worst, they run on small government but explode the deficit & oppose medicare cuts...hypocrites. They make me sick & embarassed i was ever right wing myself.Last edited by Joshua G; 03-18-2010, 10:02 PM.Comment
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Oh yes, the left wing really care about the people, the poor, etc.. That's hilarious rofl. I wonder how many of the moronic left realize it's not even about the bill, otherwise they would have gone back and started all over. Josh, I'll take it that you haven't read ANY of the bill, because only the ignorant would assume that because the public option is out, there will be no government take over. I don't know if you're in the middle or on the left, but instead of offering something logical, you offer an appeal to emotion, so I'm going with left. Btw, I've been sick and embarrassed ever since modern liberalism came out.my last comment in this thread...
its utterly embarassing to see how the right wing is handling health care reform. They have overy demonized the bill, calling it a government takeover when there isn't even a public option. They seem concerned only with the welfare of the healthy & the wealthy, they have no ideas on how to turn around a system that is driving millions out of the insurance markets at the same time much of the industry is awash in wall street like profiteering. I'm not too excited about the reform bill, but the right wing has absolutely nothing to offer america but fear & class warfare. Worst, they run on small government but explode the deficit & oppose medicare cuts...hypocrites. They make me sick & embarassed i was ever right wing myself.
Edit: I'm pretty sure you don't even know how much this new bill helps insurance companies lol. +1 for leftist ignorance
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http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-mone...lth-care-bill-
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The General Store has been allowed to ban people from coming in to shop. Or kick people out as soon as they need a repair under warranty. That is about to end. It's a regulation issue, not a rights issue, although the poll is telling in terms of data.43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.
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I would argue health care falls under the right of equal protection from illness and disability. Property is a "good" which is protected would you not agree. At worst, health care is a service, not a good.Right to equal protection under the lawComment
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I have had a heart attack and have serious other concerns. I can NOT buy insurance sir. Do you understand that? If I had 100 million dollars I could not purchase this "good", because they wont sell to me. Make sense? Thanks for learning.43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.
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im not too clear how more regulations + insurance exhanges + individual mandate is a government takeover. by that logic, i guess the government controls the entire economy, since they regulate everything that moves nowadays. your right...i havent read the bill, i get my info from a combo of rachel maddow & matt drudge. i think the bill was only released last night anyhow. & none of my comments came to the defense of the left wing, or of the reform bill. I'm just really unhappy the right wing is offering a huge helping of fear, instead of giving the public a positive alternative to more government. In my opinion the repubs are fucking up so bad, they are giving the public no alternative to dems. I really feel the current right wing leadership is a disaster & is driving the acsension of the tea party as grass roots republicans are disenchanted with the current GOP.Oh yes, the left wing really care about the people, the poor, etc.. That's hilarious rofl. I wonder how many of the moronic left realize it's not even about the bill, otherwise they would have gone back and started all over. Josh, I'll take it that you haven't read ANY of the bill, because only the ignorant would assume that because the public option is out, there will be no government take over. I don't know if you're in the middle or on the left, but instead of offering something logical, you offer an appeal to emotion, so I'm going with left. Btw, I've been sick and embarrassed ever since modern liberalism came out.
Edit: I'm pretty sure you don't even know how much this new bill helps insurance companies lol. +1 for leftist ignorance
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Oh, I didn't know you were a fan of drudgereport, awesome. And the government does control many of the economic aspects right now, more than ever I believe. Why else is the stock market at 10,700+ when the economy is in shit?im not too clear how more regulations + insurance exhanges + individual mandate is a government takeover. by that logic, i guess the government controls the entire economy, since they regulate everything that moves nowadays. your right...i havent read the bill, i get my info from a combo of rachel maddow & matt drudge. i think the bill was only released last night anyhow. & none of my comments came to the defense of the left wing, or of the reform bill. I'm just really unhappy the right wing is offering a huge helping of fear, instead of giving the public a positive alternative to more government. In my opinion the repubs are fucking up so bad, they are giving the public no alternative to dems. I really feel the current right wing leadership is a disaster & is driving the acsension of the tea party as grass roots republicans are disenchanted with the current GOP.
Honestly, I don't think there is any real alternative at this point, because we need to reduce our debts and deficits before we can have any real health care reform, and I think that's what the right wing has been trying to state.
Also, I don't understand where you see the REpublicans fucking up bad. If anyone is fucking up bad, it's the Dems. They're on pace to lose their majorities in November due to their fuckups, and THEIR leadership is a disaster. The Republicans are surging right now and while they're not doing everything right, I think they're doing just enough to make people grow weary of the Democratic leadership after only 1 year.Greed is Good
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You made the same mistake 15 times in this thread, it's clear you don't know the difference between your & you're. Stop trying to make the excuse that they were all typos, just makes you sound like more of a moron.
Anyways, next time you go around calling people fucking idiots you might not want to sound like one yourself. That's all I'm saying pal..
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hahahahaYou made the same mistake 15 times in this thread, it's clear you don't know the difference between your & you're. Stop trying to make the excuse that they were all typos, just makes you sound like more of a moron.
Anyways, next time you go around calling people fucking idiots you might not want to sound like one yourself. That's all I'm saying pal..
Greed is Good
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Lots of posts are started here, intended for serious discussion, but inevitably most topics degenerate to insanity instead. Everyone has an opinion, and it is rare that anyone gives a crap about the opposing viewpoint, so the mud just flies.
Some people allow for rational debate, but many do not. At that point you can either just walk away, or entertain yourself with some silly stupidity. I do both, depending on my mood.
If this site was not called GFY.com, then I would agree with you entirely, but this is one of the few places online where you can just say whatever the hell you want. Most people are smart enough to know nothing really means much here, and it's all in fun.
No matter what any of us think about anything here, none of us will be changing the world... especially not via our opinionated postings here on GFY.Last edited by BFT3K; 03-19-2010, 11:40 AM.Comment
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Yeah yeah, other than I have written it correctly for years, on gfy.. and if you couldn't figure out I wrote it back to you incorrectly on purpose, then youR are a fucking idiot.You made the same mistake 15 times in this thread, it's clear you don't know the difference between your & you're. Stop trying to make the excuse that they were all typos, just makes you sound like more of a moron.
Anyways, next time you go around calling people fucking idiots you might not want to sound like one yourself. That's all I'm saying pal..
What are you The Demons brother?
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You're typing to the laughing stock of GFY. Don't waste your posts.You made the same mistake 15 times in this thread, it's clear you don't know the difference between your & you're. Stop trying to make the excuse that they were all typos, just makes you sound like more of a moron.
Anyways, next time you go around calling people fucking idiots you might not want to sound like one yourself. That's all I'm saying pal..
Greed is Good
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Haven't I embarrassed you enough already? Here, I'll repeat what you told me because seeing as how you made the same claim, it's as applicable
Stupid Ass.Greed is Good
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I wonder how many times your stupid ass has to get owned. You realize I'm the only one responding to you for a reason? You're like a miniature version of thedoc, dumb beyond belief. Or maybe you're his...Son?Greed is Good
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You also realize you're the only person to reply since I've posted?
Oh, a correlation? WUZDAT?Comment



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