Healthcare - A Privilege Or A Right?

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  • BFT3K
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Dec 2005
    • 10764

    #316
    Wow, thanks slavdogg! You've inspired me to marry the person of any race, and then freely travel to Ye Olde Healthcare Shoppe to buy me some goods!

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    • Joshua G
      dumb libs love censorship
      • Jul 2008
      • 8198

      #317
      Originally posted by slavdogg
      I said it before and will try it again, you cannot make a good into a fundamental right
      you mean "goods" like arms & property?

      Moreover, your assertion is garbage. The miller test provides no "carefully constrained conditions" to prevent the government from denying pornographers the right to free speech. Neither does the USA patriot act with respect to privacy. In fact the history of US law is the slow revokation of most fundamental rights you listed.

      in most developed nations, health care is a right. In money obsessed USA, it is a priveledge reserved for those who can pay.

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      • Joshua G
        dumb libs love censorship
        • Jul 2008
        • 8198

        #318
        my last comment in this thread...

        its utterly embarassing to see how the right wing is handling health care reform. They have overy demonized the bill, calling it a government takeover when there isn't even a public option. They seem concerned only with the welfare of the healthy & the wealthy, they have no ideas on how to turn around a system that is driving millions out of the insurance markets at the same time much of the industry is awash in wall street like profiteering. I'm not too excited about the reform bill, but the right wing has absolutely nothing to offer america but fear & class warfare. Worst, they run on small government but explode the deficit & oppose medicare cuts...hypocrites. They make me sick & embarassed i was ever right wing myself.
        Last edited by Joshua G; 03-18-2010, 10:02 PM.

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        • The Demon
          Confirmed User
          • Apr 2003
          • 7336

          #319
          Originally posted by joshgirls
          my last comment in this thread...

          its utterly embarassing to see how the right wing is handling health care reform. They have overy demonized the bill, calling it a government takeover when there isn't even a public option. They seem concerned only with the welfare of the healthy & the wealthy, they have no ideas on how to turn around a system that is driving millions out of the insurance markets at the same time much of the industry is awash in wall street like profiteering. I'm not too excited about the reform bill, but the right wing has absolutely nothing to offer america but fear & class warfare. Worst, they run on small government but explode the deficit & oppose medicare cuts...hypocrites. They make me sick & embarassed i was ever right wing myself.
          Oh yes, the left wing really care about the people, the poor, etc.. That's hilarious rofl. I wonder how many of the moronic left realize it's not even about the bill, otherwise they would have gone back and started all over. Josh, I'll take it that you haven't read ANY of the bill, because only the ignorant would assume that because the public option is out, there will be no government take over. I don't know if you're in the middle or on the left, but instead of offering something logical, you offer an appeal to emotion, so I'm going with left. Btw, I've been sick and embarrassed ever since modern liberalism came out.

          Edit: I'm pretty sure you don't even know how much this new bill helps insurance companies lol. +1 for leftist ignorance
          Greed is Good

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          • The Demon
            Confirmed User
            • Apr 2003
            • 7336

            #320
            http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-mone...lth-care-bill-

            "OH that's just the politically biased right talking nonsense!!!" -prediction
            Greed is Good

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            • weekly
              So Fucking Banned
              • Dec 2005
              • 1785

              #321
              Originally posted by The Demon
              I lived in the Soviet Union, please don't act like you know what you're talking about when trying to define those terms, lol.
              Where did you live and how old were you then?

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              • Tom_PM
                Porn Meister
                • Feb 2005
                • 16443

                #322
                The General Store has been allowed to ban people from coming in to shop. Or kick people out as soon as they need a repair under warranty. That is about to end. It's a regulation issue, not a rights issue, although the poll is telling in terms of data.
                43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

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                • weekly
                  So Fucking Banned
                  • Dec 2005
                  • 1785

                  #323
                  Originally posted by slavdogg
                  above are all rights
                  healthcare is a good, just like food, wellfare, job, housing
                  I said it before and will try it again, you cannot make a good into a fundamental right
                  Right to equal protection under the law
                  I would argue health care falls under the right of equal protection from illness and disability. Property is a "good" which is protected would you not agree. At worst, health care is a service, not a good.

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                  • 12clicks
                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                    • Jan 2001
                    • 19813

                    #324
                    And the list of have nots wanting the government to provide for them so they don't have to provide for themselves continues
                    I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                    • Tom_PM
                      Porn Meister
                      • Feb 2005
                      • 16443

                      #325
                      Originally posted by 12clicks
                      And the list of have nots wanting the government to provide for them so they don't have to provide for themselves continues
                      I have had a heart attack and have serious other concerns. I can NOT buy insurance sir. Do you understand that? If I had 100 million dollars I could not purchase this "good", because they wont sell to me. Make sense? Thanks for learning.
                      43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

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                      • Joshua G
                        dumb libs love censorship
                        • Jul 2008
                        • 8198

                        #326
                        Originally posted by The Demon
                        Oh yes, the left wing really care about the people, the poor, etc.. That's hilarious rofl. I wonder how many of the moronic left realize it's not even about the bill, otherwise they would have gone back and started all over. Josh, I'll take it that you haven't read ANY of the bill, because only the ignorant would assume that because the public option is out, there will be no government take over. I don't know if you're in the middle or on the left, but instead of offering something logical, you offer an appeal to emotion, so I'm going with left. Btw, I've been sick and embarrassed ever since modern liberalism came out.

                        Edit: I'm pretty sure you don't even know how much this new bill helps insurance companies lol. +1 for leftist ignorance
                        im not too clear how more regulations + insurance exhanges + individual mandate is a government takeover. by that logic, i guess the government controls the entire economy, since they regulate everything that moves nowadays. your right...i havent read the bill, i get my info from a combo of rachel maddow & matt drudge. i think the bill was only released last night anyhow. & none of my comments came to the defense of the left wing, or of the reform bill. I'm just really unhappy the right wing is offering a huge helping of fear, instead of giving the public a positive alternative to more government. In my opinion the repubs are fucking up so bad, they are giving the public no alternative to dems. I really feel the current right wing leadership is a disaster & is driving the acsension of the tea party as grass roots republicans are disenchanted with the current GOP.

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                        • The Demon
                          Confirmed User
                          • Apr 2003
                          • 7336

                          #327
                          Originally posted by joshgirls
                          im not too clear how more regulations + insurance exhanges + individual mandate is a government takeover. by that logic, i guess the government controls the entire economy, since they regulate everything that moves nowadays. your right...i havent read the bill, i get my info from a combo of rachel maddow & matt drudge. i think the bill was only released last night anyhow. & none of my comments came to the defense of the left wing, or of the reform bill. I'm just really unhappy the right wing is offering a huge helping of fear, instead of giving the public a positive alternative to more government. In my opinion the repubs are fucking up so bad, they are giving the public no alternative to dems. I really feel the current right wing leadership is a disaster & is driving the acsension of the tea party as grass roots republicans are disenchanted with the current GOP.
                          Oh, I didn't know you were a fan of drudgereport, awesome. And the government does control many of the economic aspects right now, more than ever I believe. Why else is the stock market at 10,700+ when the economy is in shit?

                          Honestly, I don't think there is any real alternative at this point, because we need to reduce our debts and deficits before we can have any real health care reform, and I think that's what the right wing has been trying to state.

                          Also, I don't understand where you see the REpublicans fucking up bad. If anyone is fucking up bad, it's the Dems. They're on pace to lose their majorities in November due to their fuckups, and THEIR leadership is a disaster. The Republicans are surging right now and while they're not doing everything right, I think they're doing just enough to make people grow weary of the Democratic leadership after only 1 year.
                          Greed is Good

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                          • BFT3K
                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                            • Dec 2005
                            • 10764

                            #328
                            Originally posted by 12clicks
                            And the list of have nots wanting the government to provide for them so they don't have to provide for themselves continues
                            You are an idiot.

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                            • The Demon
                              Confirmed User
                              • Apr 2003
                              • 7336

                              #329
                              Originally posted by BFT3K
                              You are an idiot.
                              Thank god you're back, now we can start laughing again.
                              Greed is Good

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                              • BFT3K
                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                • Dec 2005
                                • 10764

                                #330
                                Originally posted by The Demon
                                Thank god you're back, now we can start laughing again.
                                Hey everyone, I finally found out why the demon is so obnoxious.

                                Someone just emailed me his wedding picture.

                                Poor bastard...



                                Now we can start laughing again!

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