Healthcare - A Privilege Or A Right?

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  • The Demon
    Confirmed User
    • Apr 2003
    • 7336

    #256
    Originally posted by slavdogg
    I've lived in Soviet Union as well and I have a poli sci degree and yes i know what i'mj talking about

    When????
    Greed is Good

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    • TheDoc
      Too lazy to set a custom title
      • Jul 2001
      • 13827

      #257
      Originally posted by The Demon
      I can't let the world know that, I'm too busy letting the world know that you're the dumbest person on gfy.

      *Spew spew spew spew*
      ROFL way too easy.
      Wow... brilliant sewage from your mouth as always.
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      • The Demon
        Confirmed User
        • Apr 2003
        • 7336

        #258
        Originally posted by kane
        Here is some info from Newsweek.
        http://www.newsweek.com/id/233890

        In the article it says, " a new NEWSWEEK Poll shows that while a majority of Americans say they oppose Obama's plan, a majority actually support the key features of the legislation."

        Further down it says: " The NEWSWEEK Poll asked respondents about eight health-care-reform provisions that Obama and many Democrats in Congress have generally supported. It found that the majority of Americans supported five of those provisions, three by particularly large margins. Eighty-one percent agreed with the creation of a new insurance marketplace, the exchange, for individual subscribers to compare plans and buy insurance at a competitive rate. Seventy-six percent thought health insurers should be required to cover anyone who applies, including those with preexisting conditions; and 75 percent agreed with requiring most businesses to offer health insurance to their employees, with incentives for small-business owners to do so."

        People don't like the overall bill, but there is stuff in there that people do lie. I think this also shows two things that I find interesting. 1. It really shows that nobody really knows what is in the bill and what isn't and 2. the republicans have done a masterful job of demonizing it. People hear about it and instantly think there is nothing of value in it when that is just not the case. I don't support it as a whole, but there are some good things in it.
        I agree that there are some good things in there, and if the Dems opted to make a smaller bill with the things people DO like, instead of trying to shove the bigger bill up our asses, they would have saved face. It's the dumbest political move I've ever seen.
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        • The Demon
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          • Apr 2003
          • 7336

          #259
          Originally posted by TheDoc
          Wow... brilliant sewage from your mouth as always.
          Move along, son.
          Greed is Good

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          • TheDoc
            Too lazy to set a custom title
            • Jul 2001
            • 13827

            #260
            Originally posted by The Demon
            Move along, son.
            Hey bitch boy... you're on my Industries forum... how about you take a hike and get a life?
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            • The Demon
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              • Apr 2003
              • 7336

              #261
              Originally posted by TheDoc
              Hey bitch boy... you're on my Industries forum... how about you take a hike and get a life?
              I'm better than you at every aspect of life, therefore I will stay and watch you get ridiculed by your own industry
              Greed is Good

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              • TheDoc
                Too lazy to set a custom title
                • Jul 2001
                • 13827

                #262
                Originally posted by The Demon
                I'm better than you at every aspect of life, therefore I will stay and watch you get ridiculed by your own industry
                Dude, you only post in political threads.... hahaha... again, you're a nobody, a shit stain, that has nothing and posts in political threads on gfy - and you think it's cool.

                Haha, any other spew you want to say?
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                • The Demon
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                  • Apr 2003
                  • 7336

                  #263
                  Originally posted by TheDoc
                  Dude, you only post in political threads.... hahaha... again, you're a nobody, a shit stain, that has nothing and posts in political threads on gfy - and you think it's cool.

                  Haha, any other spew you want to say?
                  I'm better than you at every aspect of life, therefore I will stay and watch you get ridiculed by your own industry

                  Last edited by The Demon; 03-18-2010, 04:15 PM.
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                  • TheDoc
                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                    • Jul 2001
                    • 13827

                    #264
                    Originally posted by The Demon
                    Oh the big ol trololol posting his spew - makes it trueee, oh yes it doooo... * sing it people *
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                    • The Demon
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                      • Apr 2003
                      • 7336

                      #265
                      Originally posted by TheDoc
                      Oh the big ol trololol posting his spew - makes it trueee, oh yes it doooo... * sing it people *
                      I'm better than you at every aspect of life, therefore I will stay and watch you get ridiculed by your own industry
                      Greed is Good

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                      • TheDoc
                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                        • Jul 2001
                        • 13827

                        #266
                        Originally posted by The Demon
                        Oh, lame... so basically you have nothing other than your repeating spew.
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                        • kane
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                          • Aug 2001
                          • 20684

                          #267
                          Originally posted by The Demon
                          Kane, there isn't strong anti republican sentiment out there anymore. It's strong liberal/Obama Administration sentiment. Strong anti republican sentiment didn't win Scott Brown Massachusetts. While I'm not saying Republicans are back in the good graces with the people, there's a VERY good chance that they'll win back both the house and the senate. Maybe then shit will get done.
                          Brown won in a liberal state in an odd election in a state that already has universal healthcare and he ran on a promise to end the obamacare. It was an odd election at best. But what about that house seat in NY that has been held by republicans since the civil war being won by a democrat? That isn't a good sign for the republicans and it is something they don't want to see.

                          http://www.gallup.com/poll/126503/De...eferences.aspx This poll from March 9th shows that democrats still have a slight lead over republicans in generic polls.

                          http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...l/original.pdf This poll (it is the NY Times/CBS so you have to take with a grain of salt) says that 57% of those surveyed see the republicans in an unfavorable light. In that same poll most of the people asked blame Bush for the problems we are having and congress a close second. So the republicans will have to convince these people that they are different than they were just a few years ago.

                          There are many other polls out there that show the republican approval rating hovering at somewhere in the low to mid 40's. I'm not saying the democrats are doing significantly better, but the republicans are not the golden child they suddenly want to make themselves out to be.

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                          • theking
                            Nice Kitty
                            • Sep 2002
                            • 21053

                            #268
                            Originally posted by The Demon
                            Such as what exactly? Care to show me a poll? And then care to explain to me how polls are a representative of Americans? Notice everytime I use polls, I also say "if we are to take polls seriously."
                            I am busy and do not have the inclination to take the time to research the matter for you...and in addition I see that Kane has presented one poll (their are others). In addition polls show the primary concern people have about the current bills are not really the content of the bills but the cost to the taxpayers they may generate. According to the CBO it will not cost the taxpayer but in fact will save the taxpayer money in the long run.

                            I saw a former head of the CBO interviewed and he stated that the CBO can only score what they are presented with at the time and for various reasons they never have all of the information before them that they should have and in addition he said that CBO scoring can be off as much as 50% one way or the other.

                            I have lived long enough to know that estimated costs of any government program usually end up being several times higher than predicted.
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                            • kane
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                              • Aug 2001
                              • 20684

                              #269
                              Originally posted by The Demon
                              If that's the case, then it's one hell of a hefty 15%.
                              Like I said, that might not be the exact number, but is close. Most of the issues they agree on, but the ones they disagree on they are light years apart on.




                              I think the Dems blew their chance at "some good things", with their ego and unwillingless to be realistic.
                              Sure, they saw the chance to do something big and good and instead of coming together as a group and settling for good, everyone wanted a piece of the pie and they tried to do something grand and it bit them in the ass.


                              Can you blame the Republicans? The Democrats have achieved what amounts to political suicide. I actually don't see the Republicans being cocky though. They're doing the smart thing right now and playing "representatives for the people". Being cocky would be a terrible political maneuver at this point, when they have everything in the bag.
                              I think they are doing what the democrats did when the republicans held both houses and the white house for the first six years of the Bush administration. They are playing the party that is against it. Whatever the democrats want, the republicans are against it and they threaten to filibuster everything. The difference is the democrats took the bait and fought to get 60 votes on everything instead of forcing the republicans to follow through on their threats.

                              The republicans are being cocky. Did you see the videos from CPAC? They basically stood on stage and taught classes on how anyone who doesn't agree with them are idiots. Maybe it will work, but I think they feel they are doing better than they really are.

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                              • The Demon
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                                • Apr 2003
                                • 7336

                                #270
                                Originally posted by kane
                                Brown won in a liberal state in an odd election in a state that already has universal healthcare and he ran on a promise to end the obamacare. It was an odd election at best. But what about that house seat in NY that has been held by republicans since the civil war being won by a democrat? That isn't a good sign for the republicans and it is something they don't want to see.

                                http://www.gallup.com/poll/126503/De...eferences.aspx This poll from March 9th shows that democrats still have a slight lead over republicans in generic polls.

                                http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...l/original.pdf This poll (it is the NY Times/CBS so you have to take with a grain of salt) says that 57% of those surveyed see the republicans in an unfavorable light. In that same poll most of the people asked blame Bush for the problems we are having and congress a close second. So the republicans will have to convince these people that they are different than they were just a few years ago.

                                There are many other polls out there that show the republican approval rating hovering at somewhere in the low to mid 40's. I'm not saying the democrats are doing significantly better, but the republicans are not the golden child they suddenly want to make themselves out to be.
                                They're not the golden child yet.. But if the Dems keep going the way they have been, it's over for them in November. And again, I don't place too much faith in polls, otherwise Obama is the most hated president in history after only 1 year, and the Congressional Democrats just suck.
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