Healthcare - A Privilege Or A Right?

and where are you gonna find those angels to watch over us? Yes, mortal men do make mistakes, we all do... and some of us learn from them, some learn from them after a long time and some of us never learn... Uncertainty and entrepreneurial error are part of the economy and at times cause small recessions, but the (free) market always corrects itself. The real danger is caused by mortal men (who make mistakes) who think they can regulate a very complex system and by trying to do so cause more problems. Just compare the depression of 1920-21 to the depression of 1929-...

We are all human beings, we are all born, we are all masters/owners of our own body, we live in a world of scarcity (there's a limited supply of resources) and we all have different goals/wants. The only thing we get for free every day until we die, is time. In a free market world, people are free to use their body and their property (the fruits of their own labour) as they see fit. They are free to do what they deem necessary to accomplish their goals as long as they respect other people's right to do the same: So people can do whatever they want as long as they don't cause damage to other people's body or property. So people have the right to free speech (= the right to use their own ink and paper as they see fit = the right to use their own property). They have the right to sleep all day long they if the want, they have the right to work all day if they want. They have the right to start a bakery if the want and they have the right to sell their products (bread in the case of the baker), but they don't have the right to a guaranteed income. If your bread tastes like sh*t, nobody will buy it. If you don't change your recipe or increase the quality of your bread, you will go out of business even if "making a living as a baker" is what you really wanted to do in life. In a free market you have the right to try to accomplish your dreams, but you don't have a right to get whatever you want for free. You have the right to work hard and try to save a lot of money and buy an Aston Martin, but you don't have the right to wish for an Aston Martin and have it magically appear just because you wanted one. In a free market, the products people produce or services people offer will always benefit society, because if people produced products nobody wanted, nobody would buy them and there would be no reason to produce them in the first place. So just because you work hard doesn't mean you have to be rewarded. However you will be rewarded (paid) if you produce (and sell) something that benefits society (something other people need or want). (If you get up in the morning and start digging a hole in your backyard and at the end of the day you end up with a giant hole in the ground, that means you worked really hard that day. But should you get paid for that? Of course not. Now if you worked hard producing something people wanted to buy, then you'd get rewarded).

So if people have a right to their own body and a right to their own property, then there can't be a thing like "free health care" or "health care as a basic right" because pills and bandages and syringes and hospital beds etc don't magically appear when we wish for them. Some one has to make/build/produce those items and why would somebody do that for free, if he can use his time to do something else? How is the government supposed to pay for those items? The government doesn't have any money... unless they take it from people (and commit an act of aggression by doing so).


I think you are confusing 2 things here. Labour has always been considered a factor of production so the law of supply and demand applies here.
If you refer to the fact that a lot of companies treat their employees without respect, then yes, I agree, that's repugnant and in a free market system, you have the possibility to boycott those companies and you have the right to quit your job if boss treats you like sh*t. Those are you options, anything that goes beyond that would be unethical.

We're going to get a repeat of history, the last time this happened it was to Clinton, but I don't think the voters are going to be as nice this time. Too bad, as a nation under Clinton and a GOP house and senate, our economy did pretty damn good, people had jobs, Business was going pretty good, the everything went in the deep hole, first Bush, then a Democratic congress and House that ran on the promise of change, well we got the change. The country ain't doing well and after over a year we have a president that has not addressed our concerns over health-care, even in an interview, he just stuck to sales mode, not answering the questions. At Least the new version we can all read, 2700 pages worth, good luck with that, anyone that says they understand it or think it's going to do good is full of shit, you have NO idea what it's going to do, you're just trusting the government, not just the liberal side, both sides, because do you think the democrats will always be in charge?

Where the big difference come is on abortion and whether is should be covered in the bill, the republicans want tort reform and it isn't in the bill and how to help those without insurance get that insurance. They also differ on how to pay for these things once they are done and the big on is how to cover those who are uninsured. Basically, the republicans feel if you lower costs, encourage small businesses to give their employees health insurance and make it readily available at good prices to anyone who wants it, then the problem will take care of itself. The democrats feel you need to help provide health insurnace for those that don't have it and that the government should pay for it if need be.

Many a republican has said that they could easily pass a bill that did most of the small, fast changes right now so some good things could start right away.

As for them already losing the election. . .I'm not so sure about that. I think the republicans have won a couple of elections recently and are suddenly feeling cocky. But they have lost some recently too and there is still a lot of anti-republican feelings in the country. I think it will be a lot closer than the republicans might think. I could be wrong, but I think the democrats will hold on to at least one house, if not both, but their majorities will shrink. I personally am so fed up that my voting strategy is going to be simple. If you are the incumbent, I am voting for your opponent no matter what party you are from.