Healthcare - A Privilege Or A Right?

Sure, but let's look at this recent debacle that was touched off by the subprime mortgage crisis. Would you say that by pursuing their own interests companies like Countrywide, BofA, Lehman Bros., Goldman Sachs, et al promoted the interests of society more effectually than what they intended? These men did not act in the public good and it's clear they DID no public good. Quite the contrary.

With all due respect to Adam Smith the invisible hand needs a bit of regulation to keep it honest. As long as free markets are run by mortal men there is going to have to be some sort of oversight. I think this last rodeo with deregulation should be clear evidence to that.

But your post does not address what I was asking directly. It's not a matter of whether or not private industry can do better by commodifying certain goods/services, it's whether or not the commodification should be allowed in the first place. That some companies are commodifying their own employees is repugnant and should be disallowed without debate.

Yeah, the state of Idaho has a law to sue the government if they try to force them to pay health insurance

Bump for proof... or maybe the ban hammer?

It appears we are not at odds about what we think should happen with healthcare reform. Since this debate started a year ago,I thought it was about time for real healthcare reform. My mainstream business does provide healthcare and dental to our employees. The monthly premium is staggering. I clearly have an interest in seeing some kind of control.

What I disagree with is the way Pelosi,Reed and The President are ramrodding the bill. Making closed door deals,etc. It makes me wonder what their real agenda is. With more than 1/2 the country against this bill they have made it a galvanizing issue for the country. With the economy as off as it has been,I think their timing for this issue was at best ill advised.

I haven't seen the country this divided since Vietnam.

I don't have to prove that you don't have success, you'd have to prove that you do Ah, your stupidity grows more and more. Didn't you say you had kids? I don't know why you'd lie about something like that, considering this great country wouldn't dare let you procreate.

Bah adam Smith. I'm more of a Hayek/Mises guy. Classical economics is almost as flawed as keynesian economics.

Hahah good luck at trying to get me banned. I'm sure the people on this forum will have more laughs at your expense.

you question is flawed

the issue is whether healthcare insurance is a fundamental human right or a goods like food or a job.

If you were to phrase your question that way it would change votes on this board as well

The only person who is a failure here is you. Those examples are about services that are apart of a free market in this country that are privileges not rights, just like full coverage health care. It has as much to do with health care as your idiotic rambling about the rich white people who founded this country.

Go back to smoking your bong, hippie.

you cannot turn a good into a human right

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Lol@health care being a human right. I guess so is welfare.

I agree. This bill was passed by the senate and most people agreed that, as it sits, it wouldn't pass the house so there would have to be changes made to both the house and senate bills in order to get a bill that would get through both. Then the democrats lost their super-majority and crapped their pants. Now they are doing everything they can to get the senate bill through the house. Who knows what kind of promises were made to change people's minds and get them to vote for this bill and who knows what kind of insanity will follow in the form of amendments to the bill to follow through on all those promises.

The odd thing is that both parties and almost all of the people agree on about 85% of the stuff that is in the bill. It is that last 15% that has a lot of people up in arms. Much of what could be done will cost little or nothing and will simply change laws to make things work better. The big stuff is how to help pay to insure those that have no coverage and then how to oversee those payments. It seems to me the logical way of doing this would be to write a new bill that contains the stuff everyone agrees on and wants and pass it. Then go back and start working on the other stuff in a separate bill. Obama is always saying that this existing bill is better than nothing. I disagree. I think a new bill with the simple stuff that is universally agreed upon would be better than nothing and a strong start. They could then build on that down the road.

Of course the democrats worry is that if they pass a smaller bill with intentions to pass another bigger one down the road they may then lose the house and senate in the fall election and republicans really have no interest health care reform so any future bills will die with that election. So out of that panic they are rushing to push this through and hoping to fix the problems later. I think that will be almost impossible.

If you're going to call someone a stupid fuck at least use proper punctuation.

Potheads

Ahh, so more spew from as usual... and man you look stupid questioning if I have kids, what an idiot. My wife posts on here, and is rather known in the Industry, moron... any other brilliant posts you would like to rack up today?

Can you post pictures of your house to prove you don't live with your mom?