Healthcare - A Privilege Or A Right?

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  • 12clicks
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Jan 2001
    • 19813
    #136
    Originally posted by Minte
    Should the government take over the companies that design,engineer and manufacture the equipment used in healthcare. The pharmaceutical companies that spend decades and billions of dollars to create the medicines for the world. How about the schools that train doctors and healthcare personnel.

    Healthcare is business. It's that pursuit of profit that drives the technology and research the population benefits from. Take away those profits and the healthcare industry will suffer badly.
    minte, you're trying to have a rational, educated discussion with those that are neither.
    Most of the "free healthcare" advocates on this board are 20somethings with no life experience and failures. both who firmly believe the profit obama.
    I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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      • Minte
        Babemeister
        • Jun 2001
        • 7081
        #137
        Originally posted by kane
        If the government really wanted to make it fair they would allow people to act on their own and import drugs from other countries that sell them for significantly lower prices. If I run a business building a product I will go out on the free market and find the best parts vendor I can. If that means buying the parts I use in my product from Canada, or China or whomever, so be it. Citizens should be given that same free market ability. I can either pay $300 for the medicine from my local pharmacy or I can order it online and get the exact same thing for $90.

        The reason this hasn't happened yet is because most of the people out there have some kind of health insurance that covers the cost of prescriptions so they don't really care how much they cost as long as they only have to pay a small co-pay. They also don't care how much the hospital bill is and how much they were overcharged for some things because their insurance is paying for it.

        If the government doesn't want to regulate how much the pharmaceutical companies increase their profit margins on the drugs they sell, fine. But they should afford me the same courtesy and free market availability that they do any business in this country. They can't allow these companies to charge 300% more here for the same drugs and force me to pay that by not letting me use the free market to find a better price.

        Also, much of the research these companies do is funded by the government. The government funded labs develop these drugs and then sell them to pharm companies. Yes, the pharm companies do develop their own stuff, but it is not as much as most people would think.
        This post is exactly why this legislation is seriously flawed. There is no disagreement that the healthcare system needs an overhaul.

        Why should US citizens get a better deal in Mexico and Canada for pharmacy items. How about tort reform, allowing group policy holders to shop for health insurance on a national level. There is a list of common sense things that could be done to get the process started. Yet none of it seems to matter to the current administration. They want to tax us for 10 years to pay for 6 years of coverage. And at the end of 10 years,then what?
        You might not be as anonymous as you think you are.

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          • The Demon
            Confirmed User
            • Apr 2003
            • 7336
            #138
            Originally posted by 12clicks
            minte, you're trying to have a rational, educated discussion with those that are neither.
            Most of the "free healthcare" advocates on this board are 20somethings with no life experience and failures. Both who firmly believe the profit obama.
            qft......
            Greed is Good

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              • Paul Markham
                Too old to care
                • Jun 2001
                • 52942
                #139
                Originally posted by 12clicks
                minte, you're trying to have a rational, educated discussion with those that are neither.
                Most of the "free healthcare" advocates on this board are 20somethings with no life experience and failures. both who firmly believe the profit obama.
                You cannot say it's free. It's paid for a different way and without insurance companies, drug companies and hospitals more interested in the bottom line getting a huge slice of the cake. The US is the most expensive place, I have visited, for health care. You're getting ripped off and some of you seem to like it that way.

                Your population is healthy, you have a better workforce. You treat people earlier and prevent future serious illness you save long term. Universal healthcare is not only something all governments should provide, but is also a wise investment in your people.

                Being a business owner I tend to adopt more conservative stances on things, but I also see the need for government run education, protection, basic services and also ... healthcare. Its a no brainer.
                Great post, the only flaw is you don't end up with companies making billions of pounds out of those forced to pay.



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                  • Minte
                    Babemeister
                    • Jun 2001
                    • 7081
                    #140
                    Originally posted by 12clicks
                    minte, you're trying to have a rational, educated discussion with those that are neither.
                    Most of the "free healthcare" advocates on this board are 20somethings with no life experience and failures. both who firmly believe the profit obama.
                    That's a good point,thanks for the reminder.
                    You might not be as anonymous as you think you are.

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                      • BFT3K
                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                        • Dec 2005
                        • 10764
                        #141
                        Jobs bill getting signed today, and this first healthcare bill will pass on Sunday.
                        Last edited by BFT3K; 03-18-2010, 08:33 AM.

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                          • IllTestYourGirls
                            Ah My Balls
                            • Feb 2007
                            • 14311
                            #142
                            Originally posted by BFT3K
                            Jobs bill getting signed today, and this first healthcare bill will pass on Sunday.
                            How are those other stimulus bills working out for us?

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                              • Vendzilla
                                Biker Gnome
                                • Mar 2004
                                • 23200
                                #143
                                Originally posted by BFT3K
                                Jobs bill getting signed today, and this first healthcare bill will pass on Sunday.
                                Yeah, suppose to create 250,000 jobs? How many new claims did they have last week?

                                The FIRST healthcare bill, then they can go in there and take complete control of everything, one step at a time
                                Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                think about that

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                                  • The Demon
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Apr 2003
                                    • 7336
                                    #144
                                    Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                    Yeah, suppose to create 250,000 jobs? How many new claims did they have last week?

                                    The FIRST healthcare bill, then they can go in there and take complete control of everything, one step at a time
                                    LOL@BFT3K. It's been announced that the CBO has not come out with any kind of definite numbers, it's just the Democrats touting "estimates".

                                    Btw, you have to have a strong economy to create ANY jobs, but I don't think Obama's stupid ass knows that. Bernanke certainly doesn't.
                                    Greed is Good

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                                      • BFT3K
                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                        • Dec 2005
                                        • 10764
                                        #145
                                        Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls
                                        How are those other stimulus bills working out for us?
                                        Keep your hate hat on buddy - you have 7 more years of this coming at you!

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                                          • BFT3K
                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                            • Dec 2005
                                            • 10764
                                            #146
                                            Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                            Yeah, suppose to create 250,000 jobs? How many new claims did they have last week?
                                            Yeah, we were better off with the 750,000 jobs lost per month at the end of the Bush debacle. Good point!

                                            Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                            The FIRST healthcare bill, then they can go in there and take complete control of everything, one step at a time
                                            From your mouth to God's ears!
                                            Last edited by BFT3K; 03-18-2010, 08:45 AM.

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                                              • The Demon
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Apr 2003
                                                • 7336
                                                #147
                                                Originally posted by BFT3K
                                                Yeah, we were better off with the 750,000 jobs lost per month at the end of the Bush debacle. Good point!



                                                From your mouth to God's ears buddy!
                                                As opposed to:

                                                http://keithhennessey.com/2009/04/06...ion-has-saved/


                                                I can just hear BFT3k's stupid ass saying "but it was Bush's fault!!"
                                                Greed is Good

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                                                  • IllTestYourGirls
                                                    Ah My Balls
                                                    • Feb 2007
                                                    • 14311
                                                    #148
                                                    Originally posted by BFT3K
                                                    Keep your hate hat on buddy - you have 7 more years of this coming at you!
                                                    Maybe you should take a look at the new electoral college projections. Looks like a lot of liberal states are losing votes while a lot of conservative states are gaining. Obama will be a one term president.


                                                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...election,_2012

                                                    And maybe even more when the census is done. People are fleeing failing progressive states.

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                                                      • IllTestYourGirls
                                                        Ah My Balls
                                                        • Feb 2007
                                                        • 14311
                                                        #149
                                                        Originally posted by BFT3K
                                                        Yeah, we were better off with the 750,000 jobs lost per month at the end of the Bush debacle. Good point!



                                                        From your mouth to God's ears!
                                                        And when Obama loses next election..... The Republicans will have control of your health care.... Why on earth would you want that?! God knows I fucking dont want Republicans anywhere near my doctor!

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                                                          • Vendzilla
                                                            Biker Gnome
                                                            • Mar 2004
                                                            • 23200
                                                            #150
                                                            Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls
                                                            And when Obama loses next election..... The Republicans will have control of your health care.... Why on earth would you want that?! God knows I fucking dont want Republicans anywhere near my doctor!
                                                            I can't understand why you would want any politician near your doctor???
                                                            Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                            think about that

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