Healthcare - A Privilege Or A Right?

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  • BFT3K
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Dec 2005
    • 10764

    #16
    I guess a few other questions could be...

    Is education a right or a privilege?

    Is clean water a right or a privilege?

    Is clean air a right or a privilege?

    Is police protection a right or a privilege?

    Is unemployment insurance, medicare, and social security a right or a privilege?

    I can go on and on, but you get it right?

    Should 50 cents of every dollar in the US go to the Pentagon budget? Is that money spent more efficiently?

    In a way I hope healthcare does not change, and the insurance companies quadruple their rates over the next 2 years. Then you assholes who think the emergency room is already the answer for the uninsured, can finally reap what you sow....

    Filled emergency rooms when YOU need help, and less people paying into the pool, so YOUR rates can FUCKING SKYROCKET!

    Of course, instead, Obama will get this past, don't ask-don't-tell will be repealed, and you guys can enjoy Obama's second term in disgust, as your party offers NOTHING to the common man.

    Sorry, I guess this is a political issue, as it is clearly NOT a moral one, because if it were, the idea that healthcare is a right, would be unanimous.

    Hey righties - Jesus was a fucking socialist, so try to sort out your selective hatred okay?
    Last edited by BFT3K; 03-17-2010, 07:29 AM.

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    • The Demon
      Confirmed User
      • Apr 2003
      • 7336

      #17
      Originally posted by bronco67
      Privilege...

      I sure as fuck don't want my hard earned dollars paying for someone that doesn't work as hard as I do.

      Catastrophic illness with massive medical expenses is another issue though. In those circumstances, it should be a right.
      This....
      Greed is Good

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      • The Demon
        Confirmed User
        • Apr 2003
        • 7336

        #18
        Originally posted by NetHorse
        Considering the current events this thread has a political debate written all over it, so cut the bullshit.

        In my opinion, it depends on which country you live in. If you live in a socialist country you may feel it should be a right that EVERYONE deserves the exact same health care.

        I live in the United States where we have a market without economic intervention and regulation by the government except to regulate against force or fraud. I wish there could be a bit more regulation to keep insurance companies in check, but that's the extent of it. The current proposed health overhaul that is being force fed to us is a fucking joke and so are the idiot democrats that stand behind it.

        Anyways, that being said, life isn't always fair here. It's not a right to have the best possible care that collectively would cost this country 10s of trillions if you can't afford it. Our country isn't founded on the idea that we excessively tax and exploit the successful to cater to the unsuccessful and poor. That's a concept called socialism.

        ALso this.
        Greed is Good

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        • The Demon
          Confirmed User
          • Apr 2003
          • 7336

          #19
          Originally posted by NetHorse
          Oh I agree Doc, those rich white sons of bitches. The system is not perfect, so I totally agree, lets completely overhaul it and become Robin Hoods. Good point my friend.

          Also, while we are at, I think those rich white bastards have more than enough money to go around so lets change a few other things. How come it's not a right to live and work here regardless of immigration status? Those poor poor illegal immigrants from Latin America just want jobs and a better life for their families. That's not fair for them. I say we let them all come over, give them free health care and social services. Fucking whitey built this nation so they can prosper while these poor people suffer.

          And good lord, the crackheads who were born with crackhead parents in inner cities. Those poor poor fucking crackheads, life wasn't fair to them. I don't think free health care and welfare is enough for them, maybe we can buy them a house with central air and heat? It's the least those asshole rich white folks could do, I mean shouldn't it be a right, better yet, isn't it only fair they have a roof over their heads and heat in the winters?

          And FUCK, while we are it, why can't everyone have the right to the best possible college education? I heard a lot of private universities like Harvard are so massive that they manage to run the entire university off just the interest from the money they yield each year. Those mother fuckers, profiting billions. Everyone should have the right to go to a prestigious university regardless of income, it's only fair.

          Peace and love man. Love everyone and make everything fair maaaan, yeah duuude.

          /end faggot hippie sarcasm.
          HAHAHA this is one of the better, more thought out responses I've seen on this forum.
          Greed is Good

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          • The Demon
            Confirmed User
            • Apr 2003
            • 7336

            #20
            Originally posted by BFT3K
            I guess a few other questions could be...

            Of course, instead, Obama will get this past, don't ask-don't-tell will be repealed, and you guys can enjoy Obama's second term in disgust, as your party offers NOTHING to the common man.okay?
            Not sure how much more delusional you can get here. But I love the "If you don't agree with me then you hate Obama", liberal logic.
            Greed is Good

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            • Brujah
              Beer Money Baron
              • Jan 2001
              • 22157

              #21
              Originally posted by BFT3K
              I guess a few other questions could be...

              Is education a right or a privilege?

              Is clean water a right or a privilege?

              Is clean air a right or a privilege?

              Is police protection a right or a privilege?

              Is unemployment insurance, medicare, and social security a right or a privilege?

              I can go on and on, but you get it right?

              Should 50 cents of every dollar in the US go to the Pentagon budget? Is that money spent more efficiently?

              In a way I hope healthcare does not change, and the insurance companies quadruple their rates over the next 2 years. Then you assholes who think the emergency room is already the answer for the uninsured, can finally reap what you sow....

              Filled emergency rooms when YOU need help, and less people paying into the pool, so YOUR rates can FUCKING SKYROCKET!

              Of course, instead, Obama will get this past, don't ask-don't-tell will be repealed, and you guys can enjoy Obama's second term in disgust, as your party offers NOTHING to the common man.

              Sorry, I guess this is a political issue, as it is clearly NOT a moral one, because if it were, the idea that healthcare is a right, would be unanimous.

              Hey righties - Jesus was a fucking socialist, so try to sort out your selective hatred okay?

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              • Vendzilla
                Biker Gnome
                • Mar 2004
                • 23200

                #22
                Originally posted by BFT3K
                I guess a few other questions could be...

                Is education a right or a privilege?
                No, you don't have the right to a higher education if you haven't earned it. Tax money shouldn't be spent on someone that is not trying. If it's a person that has busted their ass to get good grades , then yes, I say let the government help them, I don't think the same should go to someone that has mediocre grade, we need gardeners too!
                Is clean water a right or a privilege?
                Yes, our taxes and water fees should cover clean water, where in this country are people forced to drink dirty water? Or should the government hand out Dasani?
                Is clean air a right or a privilege?
                Yes, the way manufacturing plants trade on dirty air is pretty twisted. The EPA does a pretty good job for what they have
                Is police protection a right or a privilege?
                No, are you going to tell me that a cop can protect someone living in the country the same way with the same response time for someone in the city. When they need minutes to get there, I'm glad for gun right rights

                Is unemployment insurance, medicare, and social security a right or a privilege?
                Those are rights

                I can go on and on, but you get it right?
                No not really, different subjects, you get that right?
                Should 50 cents of every dollar in the US go to the Pentagon budget? Is that money spent more efficiently?
                50 cents of every dollar? I don't think it's that high, I think we have a need to keep our military strong and with the best in equipment to protect them. Just like all government programs, they spend way too much on things, LIKE THEY WILL ON HEALTHCARE
                In a way I hope health-care does not change, and the insurance companies quadruple their rates over the next 2 years. Then you assholes who think the emergency room is already the answer for the uninsured, can finally reap what you sow....

                Filled emergency rooms when YOU need help, and less people paying into the pool, so YOUR rates can FUCKING SKYROCKET!

                Of course, instead, Obama will get this past, don't ask-don't-tell will be repealed, and you guys can enjoy Obama's second term in disgust, as your party offers NOTHING to the common man.

                Sorry, I guess this is a political issue, as it is clearly NOT a moral one, because if it were, the idea that health-care is a right, would be unanimous.

                Hey righties - Jesus was a fucking socialist, so try to sort out your selective hatred okay?
                the health-care system needs reform, that's a given, but shoving 2700 pages of regulations and yet to written rules is hardly the answer and forgive people that think this scares them, it's the unknown that scares people and 2700 pages of something no one has read yet is pretty much UNKNOWN
                Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                think about that

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                • Vendzilla
                  Biker Gnome
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 23200

                  #23
                  BTW, I think gays should serve in the military. But they have to rewrite the UCMJ first
                  Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                  think about that

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                  • Brujah
                    Beer Money Baron
                    • Jan 2001
                    • 22157

                    #24
                    Vendzilla, you're a Republican who wants and believes these are rights:
                    - unemployment insurance,
                    - social security,
                    - medicare,
                    - gays in the military

                    but education and police protection is a privilege
                    huh?

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                    • sperbonzo
                      I'd rather be on my boat.
                      • May 2003
                      • 9750

                      #25
                      Originally posted by NetHorse
                      Oh I agree Doc, those rich white sons of bitches. The system is not perfect, so I totally agree, lets completely overhaul it and become Robin Hoods. Good point my friend.

                      Actually, people make this mistake quite commonly. Robin Hood didn't "steal from the rich and give to the poor". He actually stole from corrupt government officials working under the Sheriff of Nottingham that were unfairly taxing the people.


                      Just wanted to point that out.



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                      • _Richard_
                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                        • Oct 2006
                        • 30991

                        #26
                        Originally posted by sperbonzo
                        Actually, people make this mistake quite commonly. Robin Hood didn't "steal from the rich and give to the poor". He actually stole from corrupt government officials working under the Sheriff of Nottingham that were unfairly taxing the people.


                        Just wanted to point that out.



                        haha zing

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                        • Vendzilla
                          Biker Gnome
                          • Mar 2004
                          • 23200

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Brujah
                          Vendzilla, you're a Republican who wants and believes these are rights:
                          - unemployment insurance,
                          - social security,
                          - medicare,
                          - gays in the military

                          but education and police protection is a privilege
                          huh?
                          Unemployment insurance is just that, an insurance that employers pay and the government helps with
                          Social Security is something we pay into and hopefully get back when we retire as long as the government stops borrowing money from it
                          Medicare is something my mom is on and has earned
                          And gays should have the same rights as everyone else, including the military, I have served and my daughter is serving right now

                          I guess you didn't read what I wrote with an open mind. If you live in a city like LA, the response time for police protection is pretty short, but if you live in the country, to have everything equal, they should have a response of the same time. That won't work.

                          And yes, I don't believe someone that has coasted thru high school and has a C+ average should not have the same chances of a Government funded Scholarship as someone that has busted their ass to get a 4.0 GPA like my daughter. Education past high school should be earned
                          Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                          think about that

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                          • _Richard_
                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                            • Oct 2006
                            • 30991

                            #28
                            Originally posted by baddog
                            ummm . . . hell no. I am sorry, but I do not feel any responsibility for other people's families. I took care of mine.
                            you wouldn't feel responsible for your neighbors families? kids out in the street for example?

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                            • Brujah
                              Beer Money Baron
                              • Jan 2001
                              • 22157

                              #29
                              That's very socialist of you.

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                              • Minte
                                Babemeister
                                • Jun 2001
                                • 7081

                                #30
                                Originally posted by _Richard_
                                you wouldn't feel responsible for your neighbors families? kids out in the street for example?
                                If my neighbor didn't care enough to keep his kids from living in the street,why would I?

                                Taking it a step further, I take care of my neighbor and his kids,and then his kids,kids.
                                When do you draw the line?
                                You might not be as anonymous as you think you are.

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