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ccbill forces currency based on geoip?
I'm at a signup page and there seems to be no way to change the currency from AUD to anything else. Clicking on the flags just changes the language. I'm pretty sure you used to be able to select the currency too (or the flag changed currency as well as lang)
Is this so that people can't see they're being ripped by regional pricing? |
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I just realised the currency is in AUD ("$38.39(AUD) for 30 days then $38.39(AUD) recurring every 30 days*1") but the rebill disclaimer shows the pricing in USD... *1 $29.99(USD) for 30 days will rebill at $29.99(USD) recurring every 30 days until cancelled
Ironically this oversight clearly shows the discrepancy... $AUD38.39 is around $USD35, not $USD29.99. |
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Yep, you get owned for paying more.
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You just found out about regional billing?
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I've known about regional billing for years, you think ccbill was the first to do it?
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nope it's been locked in since I stumbled across the rip off regional billing around 3 years ago.
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Not to turn this into a regional billing gripe, but thsi shit is just one big scam and anyone using it should be ashamed.
Whenever it's brought up, people always tout the "big guys do it, like Apple, Dell, any frikken bricks and mortar international shit", whereas that shit does not fly in porn. You seem to forget that for those bricks and mortar guys, the US$ price is VAT exempt as you don't pay VAT cross-state, whereas their regional billing prices must include VAT, which is anywhere from 15-25%. *that* is why regional billing prices seem higher, because of the included VAT. And porn companies use it why again? To make more $ and screw the end user. Unless of course you are paying VAT in far-away lands. /rant
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I just hate it when someone uses GeoCurrency. It's always to the customers' disadvantage. Let customers choose for themselves!
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btw rowan, it looks fine to me. I can change currencies and see different prices for each. Weird. |
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Here's what happens if I click the French flag...
$38.39(AUD) pour 30 jours, puis $38.39(AUD) facture tous les 30 jours*1 Still in AUD... |
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Tried katesplayground.com and this time the currency is in USD, and doesn't change with language.
met-art = regional billing enabled, katesplayground = no regional billing? Just a guess? |
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Do you even read what you write?
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And when did I become a none-stop whiner?
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Maybe i'm completely off the wall here, but I think this is CCBILLs way of taking a piece of that exchange rate pie instead of it all going to the credit card company.
For instance, I charge my card in USD$ 29.99, CCBILL makes nothing and my credit card does the exchange back to Canadian with a fewee included, and I pay like $35.00 CDN or that's what I see on my statement. Now i charge my card in $CDN, CCBILL does the exchange and makes the exchange rate plus membership, and my credit card doesn't make anything on the transaction, because it's in my own currency. See, everyone gets sold on how it's making everyone more money.... but to be honest...the only one it's making money for.... is CCBILL.
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What I find funny is eg on met-art (as that was brought up), the $29.99 30 day membership is ?29.99 for Europe, yet the cross sale, which is $19.99 for 30 days recurring at $14.99 (gotten from view html source) is actually presented with proper $ conversion:
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And does anyone force the surfers to use regional billing? They see the price on the join page, if they think they are beeing ripped off, they don't have to join. Yet, they join just as without regional billing, so whats the problem? Why are you defending someone who doesn't want that? They don't care and you do? |
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Italy: ?349 (20% VAT = ?279 == ~$384) http://www.ikea.com/it/it/catalog/products/90126571 UK: £299 (17.5% VAT = £247 == ~$374) http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/30126569 US: $399 (0% VAT) http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/50126573 Now, that is proper regional billing. Not saying the chair is $399 in the us, ?399 in europe and £400 in the UK, when VAT does not apply. ![]()
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No, I can't because regional billing is locked and I don't care what you say whether met-art is experimenting with something or not, it has been locked in for a long time with CCBILL, Local Billing and every other regional billing supplyer for adult. If you get the choice, it is *not* regional billing, but the much fairer currency conversion (although I think the billing in this case still goes through as $US - the conversion is just to show the surfer the cost in their currency).
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No, thats the only important thing. There are 100000 paysites in every niche, its not like the surfer doesn't have any to choose from, we aren't talking about monopoly. If we were talking about a monopoly economy, then it would be fucked up. But in a free market you can do whatever you want if you make it clear to the customer and he agrees. Its not like the regional billing thing is hidden, the surfer is charged what the join page says.
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