Meatheads: what is your "must have" supplement at GNC?

thread got weird.

From what I've read in 4 weeks time you can gain nearly as much as pinning yourself with test for 4 weeks. Obviously most test cycles go for 10-12 weeks so the possibility to gain more is there.

Well, that's the thing, you can go wrong. Anytime you mess with your hormonal levels and put on mass a lot quicker than you would naturally. No matter how many support supps you take, while on cycle you're stressing every organ in your body. Anyways, we will just have to agree to disagree, we are coming from two different perspectives here. I'm all natural and that's the way I'm going to stay, nothing against you or other users.

nethorse, what's your pre and post workout nutrition/supplementation?

Well I'm on a cut right now, so I'm eating about half as many carbs as I normally do..

Usually preworkout I'll eat plain oats and raisins with a protein shake. If I'm tired I'll drink a cup of black coffee no sugar just before I hit the weights.

Post workout, one cup brown rice or sweet potatoes, skinless chicken breast, or white meat turkey, steamed broccoli and another protein shake.

When I was taking creatine I would take my creatine shake with BCAAs and maltodextrin, (I would count the maltodextrin towards my daily carb consumption) immediately after working out.

That was back when I believed taking a quick absorbing carb right after lifting was crucial. From the research I've been doing it's not really necessary and may just attribute to fat gain since maltodextrin is a simple carb.

Here is an interesting read...

http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_a...utrition_myths

interesting, i run 6 miles a day @ 8-10mph on the treadmill, not counting outdoor runs here and there too, and also lift. this actually was a helpful thread as i realized im not eating enough to gain any serious muscle... no meat, just rice, cereal, fish, and smoothies. running alone gave me big legs but i realize you gotta eat eat eat (i guess) for upper body mass?

Damn, that's a lot of running..

Yes you need to eat more calories than you consume to build new muscle.

There are is no concrete daily calorie intake your body needs, however using this formula will give you can give you an idea..

BMR = 66 + (13.7 X weight in kilos) + (5 X height in cm) - (6.8 X age in years)

1 inch = 2.54 cm.
1 kilogram = 2.2 lbs.

Example..
25 years old
6 feet tall
220 pounds

BMR is 66 + (1370) + (914) - (170) = 2180 calories

Then the next step is to determine your total daily calorie needs, now multiply your BMR by the appropriate activity factor, as follows:

If you are Sedentary - little or no exercise
Calorie-Calculation = BMR X 1.2
- If you are Lightly Active (light exercise/sports 1-3 days/week)
Calorie-Calculation = BMR X 1.375
- If you are Moderately Active (moderate exercise/sports 3-5 days/week)
Calorie-Calculation = BMR X 1.55
- If you are Very Active = BMR X 1.725 (hard exercise/sports 6-7 days/week)
Calorie-Calculation = BMR X 1.725
- If you are Extra Active (very hard daily exercise/sports & physical job or 2X day training)
Calorie-Calculation = BMR X 1.9


The number you get is the total number of calories you need in order to MAINTAIN your current weight.

If you want to gain body weight, you must consume more calories than you burn. Everyone's body is different though, if you're a hard gainer and don't have a huge appetite you may have to actually cut back your cardio.

I've taken two PHs in four years of lifting, I'm not a user of aas just educated in just about every aspect of iti have over 5k posts on the prohoromone forum, I'm pretty educated and speak openly with my Dr about it so take it for what its worth.

BCAA'S, L-Carnetine.
The rest you need a prescription for.
duke

That's alot of protein. too much

What I meant is you're not opposed to taking pro-steroids/AAS, where as I wouldn't mess with it. Like I said, for me it's about being healthy. I decided against taking compounds that might ultimately catch up to me later in life, (whether it has long term effects on my mind, heart, brain, endocrine system, whatever I don't feel it's worth the risk). That's why I said we have different perspectives on the subject, (as a user vs non-user).

Take it for it's worth!!! Personally, I think a lot of people jump to taking steroids when they shouldn't be touching them. In my opinion it should be used by guys who have already reached their genetic potential and want to get freaky big. Just my 2cents to any noobies reading this thread wanting to get into weight lifting and bodybuilding.

pure semen extract

Man up and get some test... and a ton of Whey.

you do realize that you wont start to see any benefits from test until maybe mid week 3 and week 4 right? even if its a short ester, all your immediate first gains are going to be water and glycogen. i dont know where you get your information, but you still are very mis-informed, regardless of if your "natural" or not...

not everyone wants to get freaky big, maybe freaky strong, or vascular, or spare fat while on a cut. then you have the newbs and its these people who give supplement companies the wrong way, the people who jump the gun, being ill-informed, not having proper support (your buddy's "support supps" were crap BTW) over the counter PTC while taking 1 very harsh methyl and 1 moderately harsh methyl, then taking an AI when one of them is already an anti-e. Your "buddy" is dumb, and your both uniformed and will continue to think these things wreak havoc on your body, but when used in a proper way it will have minimal side effects. Im not saying a guy pumped full of anadrol, dbol, test, deca, and tren is healthy by any means. But for someone whos never going to want to be at their genetic limit, recover, have faster gains, harder and fuller muscles, or going for a full body recomposition, then i see no problem with using an aid. I guess thats how i justify it, if im going to punish my body day in and day out i want it working as efficiently as possible, if that makes sense. But i do see your understanding, but if you do your research theres plenty of studies to backup pretty much anything with a chemical structure.

thx, a lot of info in that article too.

DLXphil,

I hear what you are saying, or the part that i can relate to and that's do the research.

in that regard, i did what i felt was due diligence prior to taking the tren, i read info at one of the ph message boards and also read all the info at american cellular labs website and never came across any info informing me not to take an NO at the same time.

this is the world of the multi-billion dollar supplement bidness, contra-indications might be hard to come by at one time or another.