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Damn man, tren is a harsh compound that was labeled as a steroid by the FDA. I've put on a lot of muscle mass but I stay away from shit like that...My buddy took SPAWN, which is basically epistane + tren. He put on a solid 15lbs of LBM in a month, but 2-3 weeks after his cycle he went to the doc and had a complete bloodwork which looked horrible.
BTW, it's not advised you take preworkout NO stims with PH/designer steroids as they can elevated blood pressure. The two combined can produce very high blood pressure that can cause swelling, headaches, etc..
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Not just methylated steroids/prohormones, you shouldn't even mix them with the non-methayled ones like H-drol, BOLD, etc..┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐
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spawn had unbelievably high amounts of a methyl 30mg tren and 8mg epistane/havoc per pill! i get blood work done every 6 months or so, and have never had an issue with my DR and keep him regularly updates of my supplements. Its really great to have a dr who knows sports medicine. im sure your buddy didnt use any on cycle treatment or anything for PCT as well. Its always the individuals who dont research who screw up the supplement market/industry for everyone else.Last edited by Choopa Phil; 03-11-2010, 01:04 PM.Comment
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I didn't know HDROL was a methyl, I thought it was a really weak prohormone compared to the others..I heard bold and havoc are super suppressive, (even with PCT chance of rebound gyno).
Yeah man, he took an over the counter PCT and not a serm like Nolva or Clomid. I honestly don't trust those supps, just my take on it..I actually don't trust a lot of the supps out there. When I first started working out I was obsessed with the idea of taking all sorts of supplements, N.O preworkout shit, creatine, prohormones, natural test boosters, etc..
Now I'm just in it for the long run, I don't take shit and I'm still seeing the same gains and I don't have to worry about what I'm putting in my body. I just eat, take whey protein, do cardio and lift. If I'm feeling tired I'll drink a cup of coffee before my workouts.┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐
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haha, man I was so tempted to take PHs back then too. The gains are unreal, but like they say, can't have your cake and eat it too.
That's the way to go man..i don't really mess with those anymore, just eat good and hard work.
It's all about being healthy and making a lifestyle change for the long run.
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I'm on 2k of test right now, fuck, I am JACKED UPhttps://3-veo.com/
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no offense but your info is all over the place, bold is a PH, havoc is a methyl...both of those are probably the least suppressive in both categories. Superdrol is highly suppressive as is pheraplex and tren. Phera is a very wet compound and much more androgenic than both superdrol and tren, superdrol/tren will get you more leaner dry gains. Either way your buddy didnt take any support supplements while being on or have a proper PCT, so theres a reason behind why his health was put at risk. Do it right the first time or dont do it at all.Comment
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right on, i do take a few of the extraneous supplements, i like the creatine and also do get a jolt from jack3d preworkout. i might try a month without them and see what happens.Comment
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