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  • Joshua G
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    • Jul 2008
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    Meatheads: what is your "must have" supplement at GNC?

    Im ready to make a new effort to get in shape, namely lifting weights & running outdoors. But when i go to GNC, the volume of drugs & systems available are overwelming.

    so if you had to choose only 1 supplement to build muscle, what would you take?
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        • mynameisjim
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          A good whey protein
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            • PenisFace
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              Originally posted by joshgirls
              Im ready to make a new effort to get in shape, namely lifting weights & running outdoors. But when i go to GNC, the volume of drugs & systems available are overwelming.

              so if you had to choose only 1 supplement to build muscle, what would you take?
              good whey protein. everything else is 99% marketing bullshit about HARDCORE XTREME 100% NANOMOLUCULAR SCIENTIFIC RESULTS and 1% real.


              buy a giant batch of protein from trueprotein.com and that's all you'll need. Have one whey shake a day, but get all of your nutrition from real food. Eat lots of greens, lean meat, eggs and chicken breats and DO NOT cut carbohydrates. Heavy lifting diet = 1 gram per pound of bodyweight of protein a day. 200 pound man eats 200 grams of protein, etc etc.

              Eat 6 meals a day, balancing calorie numbers based on your current weight and goals. Want massive muscles? Prepare to drop lots of cash on food. I'm 190 pounds, eating around 3,200 calories and maybe 250 grams of protein a day. Carbs vary between 250-600 grams a day, and in the gym five days a week, lifting every time.

              If you want to build muscle, you have to eat like a monster, but you have to eat the RIGHT things. supplements, with the expection of whey protein, are bullshit.
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                • mynameisjim
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                  The one other thing worth trying is creatine. Different people react differently and I think it has to do with how much meat you eat. The more meat you eat, the less you will notice.

                  For me, I don't eat any meat and I'm able to add a full set to all my lifts while taking creatine. I just recover much better between sets. I take 5 grams of Creapure creatine post workout.

                  But I would say to just work out with protein to start, then once you get a feel for what you can lift and have your routine down, try creatine. That way if it helps you will be able to tell. If you take it to start, you'll never know if it helps or not and could be wasting money if you keep taking it.

                  You do get some nice pumps with creatine though. There are some benefits to getting a good pump as it floods the muscle which can bring in nutrients. But mainly it just looks cool and keeps you motivated to go to the gym when your arms and chest get all pumped after a workout.
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                    • BFT3K
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                        • Joshua G
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                          • Jul 2008
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                          #7
                          Originally posted by PenisFace
                          good whey protein. everything else is 99% marketing bullshit about HARDCORE XTREME 100% NANOMOLUCULAR SCIENTIFIC RESULTS and 1% real.


                          buy a giant batch of protein from trueprotein.com and that's all you'll need. Have one whey shake a day, but get all of your nutrition from real food. Eat lots of greens, lean meat, eggs and chicken breats and DO NOT cut carbohydrates. Heavy lifting diet = 1 gram per pound of bodyweight of protein a day. 200 pound man eats 200 grams of protein, etc etc.

                          Eat 6 meals a day, balancing calorie numbers based on your current weight and goals. Want massive muscles? Prepare to drop lots of cash on food. I'm 190 pounds, eating around 3,200 calories and maybe 250 grams of protein a day. Carbs vary between 250-600 grams a day, and in the gym five days a week, lifting every time.

                          If you want to build muscle, you have to eat like a monster, but you have to eat the RIGHT things. supplements, with the expection of whey protein, are bullshit.
                          thanks for your feedback. Good stuff

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                            • Joshua G
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                              #8
                              Originally posted by mynameisjim
                              The one other thing worth trying is creatine. Different people react differently and I think it has to do with how much meat you eat. The more meat you eat, the less you will notice.

                              For me, I don't eat any meat and I'm able to add a full set to all my lifts while taking creatine. I just recover much better between sets. I take 5 grams of Creapure creatine post workout.

                              But I would say to just work out with protein to start, then once you get a feel for what you can lift and have your routine down, try creatine. That way if it helps you will be able to tell. If you take it to start, you'll never know if it helps or not and could be wasting money if you keep taking it.

                              You do get some nice pumps with creatine though. There are some benefits to getting a good pump as it floods the muscle which can bring in nutrients. But mainly it just looks cool and keeps you motivated to go to the gym when your arms and chest get all pumped after a workout.
                              I've thought about creatine, but it sounds like its for the advanced weightlifter, as you point out. Right now i just wanna keep on a program more then 6 weeks without falling off.

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                                • Joshua G
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                                    • Donkey Punch
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                                        • Jon Oso
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                                          It's not a way to help you build muscle but if you're not you need to pick up a good multivitamin ...

                                          I had to experiment with different things when I was lifting in order to finally find what really worked well for me.

                                          My cocktail was the GNC multivitamin pack, NOXPlode, ON Whey mixed with OJ, Peanut Butter and fruit, and a bunch of chicken and steak.
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                                            • NetHorse
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                                              GNC, lol...

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                                                • JuiceMonkey
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                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by Jon Oso
                                                  It's not a way to help you build muscle but if you're not you need to pick up a good multivitamin ...
                                                  I am not a meathead but I do agree that a good multivitamin is the first thing *anyone* should be taking.. also the multi vitamin at GNC is probably their best product.
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                                                    • BigDeanEvans
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                                                      • Apr 2006
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                                                      Watch these videos and get your diet right. Lift hard and 2 grams of protein per body pound. if you're over say 30-35 yrs old consider doing a cycle.

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                                                        • magpan
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                                                          Gaspari's SizeOn and PlasmaJet (do some research) + MuscleTech's Nitro-Tech Hardcore for protein. You'll never look back.

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                                                            • mozadek
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                                                              Synthol will help you beef up.

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                                                                • Max_PuZcash
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                                                                  I like creatine, whey and pre workout sex

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                                                                        • justinsain
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                                                                          My must have supplement at GNC is the girl behind the counter

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                                                                            • dyna mo
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                                                                              • Dec 2008
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                                                                              #20
                                                                              gnc is way overpriced, try tfsupplements online. hell, amazon has great prices on supplements too.

                                                                              a lot of good advices in here.

                                                                              i've limited my supplements to the following

                                                                              optimum nutrition's opti-men multivitamin
                                                                              jack3d pre workout energy booster/creatine.
                                                                              bcaa/eaa/beta-alanin (purple wraath) consumed during workout.
                                                                              optimum nutrition's 2:1:1 recovery drink post workout.
                                                                              a couple high quality protein shakes

                                                                              a super healthy and clean daily nutrition plan, whole oats, leafy greens, chicken and wild salmon and lot's of egg white omelettes.

                                                                              good luck to you! it's a fun hobby and good for you too!
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                                                                                • dyna mo
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                                                                                  • Dec 2008
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                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  oops, you asked for one, sorry.

                                                                                  i don't think i could limit it to one but i can go with 2

                                                                                  multivitamin and hq protein

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                                                                                    • Choopa Phil
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                                                                                      Originally posted by joshgirls
                                                                                      Im ready to make a new effort to get in shape, namely lifting weights & running outdoors. But when i go to GNC, the volume of drugs & systems available are overwelming.

                                                                                      so if you had to choose only 1 supplement to build muscle, what would you take?
                                                                                      if i had to choose 1 and only one it would be Syntha-6 Protein, now if your talking mass builders, above and beyond staple supplements then itd have to be original superdrol
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                                                                                        • pornguy
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                                                                                            • dyna mo
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                                                                                              • Dec 2008
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                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by DLXphil
                                                                                              original superdrol
                                                                                              is that still around? are any of the current clones the same?

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                                                                                                • Choopa Phil
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                                                                                                  Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                                                  is that still around? are any of the current clones the same?
                                                                                                  Cel's M-drol is the closest thing, but nothing will ever compare to Anabolic Xtreme's
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                                                                                                    • dyna mo
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                                                                                                      • Dec 2008
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                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by DLXphil
                                                                                                      Cel's M-drol is the closest thing, but nothing will ever compare to Anabolic Xtreme's
                                                                                                      right on, i used tren xtreme and ah-89 in the past and had pretty good results, but had some swelling and such in my ankles.

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                                                                                                            • Choopa Phil
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                                                                                                              Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                                                              right on, i used tren xtreme and ah-89 in the past and had pretty good results, but had some swelling and such in my ankles.
                                                                                                              were you taking an NO supplement while on them?
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                                                                                                                • beerptrol
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                                                                                                                  Screw GNC, cheaper to buy from an online source
                                                                                                                  Nothing beats a great diet and excercise plan...except roids
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                                                                                                                    • dyna mo
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                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by DLXphil
                                                                                                                      were you taking an NO supplement while on them?

                                                                                                                      i was. no xplode at that time.

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                                                                                                                        • Choopa Phil
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                                                                                                                          Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                                                                          i was. no xplode at that time.
                                                                                                                          never mix NO and a methyl, youll have the worst back pumps, calf pumps, shin splints, everything. Not to mention it wreaks havoc with your blood pressure. Just a heads up for next time.
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                                                                                                                            • dyna mo
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                                                                                                                              Originally posted by DLXphil
                                                                                                                              never mix NO and a methyl, youll have the worst back pumps, calf pumps, shin splints, everything. Not to mention it wreaks havoc with your blood pressure. Just a heads up for next time.
                                                                                                                              good info, i had no idea! thanks for that.

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                                                                                                                                • NetHorse
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                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                                                                                  i was. no xplode at that time.
                                                                                                                                  Damn man, tren is a harsh compound that was labeled as a steroid by the FDA. I've put on a lot of muscle mass but I stay away from shit like that...My buddy took SPAWN, which is basically epistane + tren. He put on a solid 15lbs of LBM in a month, but 2-3 weeks after his cycle he went to the doc and had a complete bloodwork which looked horrible.

                                                                                                                                  BTW, it's not advised you take preworkout NO stims with PH/designer steroids as they can elevated blood pressure. The two combined can produce very high blood pressure that can cause swelling, headaches, etc..

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                                                                                                                                    • Huggles
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                                                                                                                                        • NetHorse
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                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by DLXphil
                                                                                                                                          never mix NO and a methyl, youll have the worst back pumps, calf pumps, shin splints, everything. Not to mention it wreaks havoc with your blood pressure. Just a heads up for next time.
                                                                                                                                          Not just methylated steroids/prohormones, you shouldn't even mix them with the non-methayled ones like H-drol, BOLD, etc..
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                                                                                                                                            • Choopa Phil
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                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by NetHorse
                                                                                                                                              Not just methylated steroids/prohormones, you shouldn't even mix them with the non-methayled ones like H-drol, BOLD, etc..
                                                                                                                                              h-drol is a methyl as well, and they are alright to stack with other non-methyl's its obviously not recomended for the first time user. Bold/havoc or epistane is a great combo.
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                                                                                                                                                • Choopa Phil
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                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by NetHorse
                                                                                                                                                  Damn man, tren is a harsh compound that was labeled as a steroid by the FDA. I've put on a lot of muscle mass but I stay away from shit like that...My buddy took SPAWN, which is basically epistane + tren. He put on a solid 15lbs of LBM in a month, but 2-3 weeks after his cycle he went to the doc and had a complete bloodwork which looked horrible.

                                                                                                                                                  BTW, it's not advised you take preworkout NO stims with PH/designer steroids as they can elevated blood pressure. The two combined can produce very high blood pressure that can cause swelling, headaches, etc..

                                                                                                                                                  http://www.ironmagazine.com/blog/200...nd-max-muscle/
                                                                                                                                                  spawn had unbelievably high amounts of a methyl 30mg tren and 8mg epistane/havoc per pill! i get blood work done every 6 months or so, and have never had an issue with my DR and keep him regularly updates of my supplements. Its really great to have a dr who knows sports medicine. im sure your buddy didnt use any on cycle treatment or anything for PCT as well. Its always the individuals who dont research who screw up the supplement market/industry for everyone else.
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                                                                                                                                                    • NetHorse
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                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by DLXphil
                                                                                                                                                      h-drol is a methyl as well, and they are alright to stack with other non-methyl's its obviously not recomended for the first time user. Bold/havoc or epistane is a great combo.
                                                                                                                                                      I didn't know HDROL was a methyl, I thought it was a really weak prohormone compared to the others..I heard bold and havoc are super suppressive, (even with PCT chance of rebound gyno).

                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by DLXphil
                                                                                                                                                      spawn had unbelievably high amounts of a methyl 30mg tren and 8mg epistane/havoc per pill! i get blood work done every 6 months or so, and have never had an issue with my DR and keep him regularly updates of my supplements. Its really great to have a dr who knows sports medicine. im sure your buddy didnt use any on cycle treatment or anything for PCT as well. Its always the individuals who dont research who screw up the supplement market/industry for everyone else.
                                                                                                                                                      Yeah man, he took an over the counter PCT and not a serm like Nolva or Clomid. I honestly don't trust those supps, just my take on it..I actually don't trust a lot of the supps out there. When I first started working out I was obsessed with the idea of taking all sorts of supplements, N.O preworkout shit, creatine, prohormones, natural test boosters, etc..

                                                                                                                                                      Now I'm just in it for the long run, I don't take shit and I'm still seeing the same gains and I don't have to worry about what I'm putting in my body. I just eat, take whey protein, do cardio and lift. If I'm feeling tired I'll drink a cup of coffee before my workouts.
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                                                                                                                                                        • dyna mo
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                                                                                                                                                          • Dec 2008
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                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by NetHorse
                                                                                                                                                          Damn man, tren is a harsh compound that was labeled as a steroid by the FDA. I've put on a lot of muscle mass but I stay away from shit like that...My buddy took SPAWN, which is basically epistane + tren. He put on a solid 15lbs of LBM in a month, but 2-3 weeks after his cycle he went to the doc and had a complete bloodwork which looked horrible.

                                                                                                                                                          BTW, it's not advised you take preworkout NO stims with PH/designer steroids as they can elevated blood pressure. The two combined can produce very high blood pressure that can cause swelling, headaches, etc..

                                                                                                                                                          http://www.ironmagazine.com/blog/200...nd-max-muscle/
                                                                                                                                                          now you tell me!

                                                                                                                                                          this was a couple years ago, i cleaned out fine over time after that cycle, i've had a blood panel or 3 done since then and everything is hunky dory. i don't really mess with those anymore, just eat good and hard work.

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                                                                                                                                                            • NetHorse
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                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                                                                                                              now you tell me!

                                                                                                                                                              this was a couple years ago, i cleaned out fine over time after that cycle, i've had a blood panel or 3 done since then and everything is hunky dory.
                                                                                                                                                              haha, man I was so tempted to take PHs back then too. The gains are unreal, but like they say, can't have your cake and eat it too.

                                                                                                                                                              i don't really mess with those anymore, just eat good and hard work.
                                                                                                                                                              That's the way to go man.. It's all about being healthy and making a lifestyle change for the long run.
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                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Huggles
                                                                                                                                                                      I'm on 2k of test right now, fuck, I am JACKED UP
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                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by NetHorse
                                                                                                                                                                          I didn't know HDROL was a methyl, I thought it was a really weak prohormone compared to the others..I heard bold and havoc are super suppressive, (even with PCT chance of rebound gyno).



                                                                                                                                                                          Yeah man, he took an over the counter PCT and not a serm like Nolva or Clomid. I honestly don't trust those supps, just my take on it..I actually don't trust a lot of the supps out there. When I first started working out I was obsessed with the idea of taking all sorts of supplements, N.O preworkout shit, creatine, prohormones, natural test boosters, etc..

                                                                                                                                                                          Now I'm just in it for the long run, I don't take shit and I'm still seeing the same gains and I don't have to worry about what I'm putting in my body. I just eat, take whey protein, do cardio and lift. If I'm feeling tired I'll drink a cup of coffee before my workouts.
                                                                                                                                                                          no offense but your info is all over the place, bold is a PH, havoc is a methyl...both of those are probably the least suppressive in both categories. Superdrol is highly suppressive as is pheraplex and tren. Phera is a very wet compound and much more androgenic than both superdrol and tren, superdrol/tren will get you more leaner dry gains. Either way your buddy didnt take any support supplements while being on or have a proper PCT, so theres a reason behind why his health was put at risk. Do it right the first time or dont do it at all.
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                                                                                                                                                                            • dyna mo
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                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by NetHorse
                                                                                                                                                                              haha, man I was so tempted to take PHs back then too. The gains are unreal, but like they say, can't have your cake and eat it too.



                                                                                                                                                                              That's the way to go man.. It's all about being healthy and making a lifestyle change for the long run.
                                                                                                                                                                              right on, i do take a few of the extraneous supplements, i like the creatine and also do get a jolt from jack3d preworkout. i might try a month without them and see what happens.

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                                                                                                                                                                                • Huggles
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                                                                                                                                                                                  I just bench pressed 800 lbs and then did 50 sets of 90lb curls x 20 reps
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                                                                                                                                                                                    • Choopa Phil
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                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Huggles
                                                                                                                                                                                      I just bench pressed 800 lbs and then did 50 sets of 90lb curls x 20 reps
                                                                                                                                                                                      as long as you were curlin in the squat rack
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                                                                                                                                                                                        • NetHorse
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                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by DLXphil
                                                                                                                                                                                          no offense but your info is all over the place, bold is a PH, havoc is a methyl...both of those are probably the least suppressive in both categories. Superdrol is highly suppressive as is pheraplex and tren. Phera is a very wet compound and much more androgenic than both superdrol and tren, superdrol/tren will get you more leaner dry gains. Either way your buddy didnt take any support supplements while being on or have a proper PCT, so theres a reason behind why his health was put at risk. Do it right the first time or dont do it at all.
                                                                                                                                                                                          HAVOC is very suppressive because it is also an anti-e. Your body needs some estrogen to stay balanced, so when you finish your cycle AND take a PCT to further suppress estrogen you take the risk of your body creating excess estrogen when you finish your PCT, (rebound gyno). Just from what I read on prohormoneforum.com.

                                                                                                                                                                                          As for support supps, he took milk thistle, hawthorn berry and some sort of OTC PCT with an AI. I don't care what support supps you take, you're still going to get side effects when you gain the same mass as you would injecting real steroids. It's the price you pay to put on that kind of mass that quickly. I'd rather inject real pure pharmaceutical test than put that shit in my body, but that's just my take on it.
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                                                                                                                                                                                            • rob04
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                                                                                                                                                                                              My 1 GNC supplement is their vitapaks I use the energy one...

                                                                                                                                                                                              It gives me energy to do those things, running, lifting weights etc!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                • Choopa Phil
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by NetHorse
                                                                                                                                                                                                  HAVOC is very suppressive because it is also an anti-e. Your body needs some estrogen to stay balanced, so when you finish your cycle AND take a PCT to further suppress estrogen you take the risk of your body creating excess estrogen when you finish your PCT, (rebound gyno). Just from what I read on prohormoneforum.com.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  As for support supps, he took milk thistle, hawthorn berry and some sort of OTC PCT with an AI. I don't care what support supps you take, you're still going to get side effects when you gain the same mass as you would injecting real steroids. It's the price you pay to put on that kind of mass that quickly. I'd rather inject real pure pharmaceutical test than put that shit in my body, but that's just my take on it.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Havoc has minimal side effects and suppression of the body?s natural androgen production as well as minimal raises in estrogen, if any at all. its one of the least suppressive, do the research on your own. and whoever told you that you can gain as much on a havoc cycle as u can on a cycle of test is out of their mind. u can gain maybe 5-7lbs of LBM IF that on this stuff, its weak. Superdrol on the otherhand, 15 pounds and probably keep 10. and i agree with you 100% on pinning rather than taking OTC stuff, u cant go wrong with something that has 50+ years of research backing it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Dec 2008
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      DLX, what's yer pre and post workout nutrition/supplementation?

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