Congrats to JMBSOFT for great COPY of Trade Pulse script!

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  • ipolic
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    • Nov 2003
    • 1486

    #1

    Congrats to JMBSOFT for great COPY of Trade Pulse script!

    First of all, I as developer of Trade Pulse together with my coding partners would like to say that we are very glad that JMBSOFT liked so much our script that they copied majority of it! Thnx guys we are really honored since that is one more proof we are always 2 steps infront from other scripts!

    Now to show off some original methods we used(inventions of my partner also from proton and progress tm scripts) and how JMBSOFT did it their way:

    Skim Schemes Original vs Copy:


    Trade Quality Countries vs Copy:


    I like innovative way of 3 outlists (our invention) a lot:


    We found many more "similarities" and you can preview them here: http://scriptpulse.com/tptx/

    and ofcourse you can digg much more of them looking at demo's of both scripts!

    Trade Pulse (original) demo here: http://www.scriptpulse.com
    TradeX demo (copy) here: http://www.jmbsoft.com/r/teenage/software/tradex/

    We are also happy that you use external user info feature (as we spoke over email) so at least we all together will have some profit from that(more quality traffic and again our invention)!

    Guys keep up the great work and please continue to be inspired by Trade Pulse, at least we are sure that your script will ROCK! Don't forget the backend (you need to get blazing fast speeds of script exec times as we did it).
  • procam
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    • Apr 2002
    • 98

    #2
    Well not only is this quite interesting I knew they had dirty hands -- but the most likely reason for this is they had to design something that they could sell to all the POOR tube site operators that were hoping to make millions - their discount version of your script will no doubt be showing up on a tube site near you daily for a while at least till they figure out the backend is coded like a nightmare from hell like all their other scripts have been!

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    • Domain Broker
      So Fucking Banned
      • Oct 2004
      • 2427

      #3
      Trade Expert is better than Trade Pulse anyway.

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      • ipolic
        Confirmed User
        • Nov 2003
        • 1486

        #4
        I don't see reasons either for that from buyers point of view since our script cost 100$ after second copy and I always give discount to batch copies!

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        • Klen
          • Aug 2006
          • 32235

          #5
          Damn it's really look like identical copy.

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          • ipolic
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            • Nov 2003
            • 1486

            #6
            Based on what ;) ?

            Originally posted by Domain Broker
            Trade Expert is better than Trade Pulse anyway.

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            • ipolic
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              • Nov 2003
              • 1486

              #7
              Think so? Naaah :D

              Originally posted by KlenTelaris
              Damn it's really look like identical copy.

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              • brassmonkey
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                #8
                its very cheap $59
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                • procam
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                  • Apr 2002
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Domain Broker
                  Trade Expert is better than Trade Pulse anyway.


                  unless JMB has recently in the last couple months hired a new coder there is no fucking way I can tell you from experience with that company their backend coding is a fucking disaster - they cant design a script thats 100% functional and does what it is supposed to do if their lives depended upon it bullshit bullshit!

                  I will further go on to say that since Trade Pulse came out I changed over every site I own to run that script dumping expensive ATX and other expensive over priced bulky garbage and now my sites operate like well oiled machines - and I make far more money now using trade pulse than before.
                  Last edited by procam; 03-09-2010, 05:07 AM.

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                  • Domain Broker
                    So Fucking Banned
                    • Oct 2004
                    • 2427

                    #10
                    Trade Pulse is a great script, I never said it's not, just saying TE is preferred here

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                    • brassmonkey
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by procam


                      unless JMB has recently in the last couple months hired a new coder there is no fucking way I can tell you from experience with that company their backend coding is a fucking disaster - they cant design a script thats 100% functional and does what it is supposed to do if their lives depended upon it bullshit bullshit!

                      I will further go on to say that since Trade Pulse came out I changed over every site I own to run that script dumping expensive ATX and other expensive over priced bulky garbage and now my sites operate like well oiled machines - and I make far more money now using trade pulse than before.
                      good for you
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                      • ipolic
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                        • Nov 2003
                        • 1486

                        #12
                        This didn't sound so :P

                        "Trade Expert is better than Trade Pulse anyway."

                        NPS mate I understand each webmaster has it's own script preference thats perfectly normal and if U ever need TP walkthru let me know.

                        Originally posted by Domain Broker
                        Trade Pulse is a great script, I never said it's not, just saying TE is preferred here

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                        • MrDeiz
                          • May 2008
                          • 9802

                          #13
                          great job Trade Pulse indeed ;)
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                          • ipolic
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                            • Nov 2003
                            • 1486

                            #14
                            Thnx but this thread is all about JBMSOFT and their copying of our product ;)

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                            • Robocrop
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by procam


                              unless JMB has recently in the last couple months hired a new coder there is no fucking way I can tell you from experience with that company their backend coding is a fucking disaster - they cant design a script thats 100% functional and does what it is supposed to do if their lives depended upon it bullshit bullshit!

                              I will further go on to say that since Trade Pulse came out I changed over every site I own to run that script dumping expensive ATX and other expensive over priced bulky garbage and now my sites operate like well oiled machines - and I make far more money now using trade pulse than before.
                              OK calm down coybow, think everyone already know you are a friend with OP.

                              I havent used Trade Pulse, but I do have many years experience with Jeremys scripts, and they are good. I will buy TradeX mainly coz I like to support a guy who always and always keep answering to newbie questions about his products and do his best to help out + it seems to be a good script and can handle many processes.

                              Word fucking up!
                              Last edited by Robocrop; 03-09-2010, 06:00 AM.

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                              • ipolic
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                                • Nov 2003
                                • 1486

                                #16
                                So basically you will rather buy COPY even that you know fact that it is a COPY, and original works better and has more features? All that to save 40$? Cool, you obviously have diff view of biz then I do!

                                Originally posted by Robocrop
                                OK calm down coybow, think everyone already know you are a friend with OP.

                                I havent used Trade Pulse, but I do have many years experience with Jeremys scripts, and they are good. I will buy TradeX mainly coz I like to support a guy who always and always keep answering to newbie questions about his products and do his best to help out + it seems to be a good script and can handle many processes.

                                Word fucking up!

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                                • Pics Traffic
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                                  • Jun 2004
                                  • 3055

                                  #17
                                  Any nulled versions out there ?
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                                  • procam
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                                    • Apr 2002
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Robocrop
                                    OK calm down coybow, think everyone already know you are a friend with OP.

                                    I havent used Trade Pulse, but I do have many years experience with Jeremys scripts, and they are good. I will buy TradeX mainly coz I like to support a guy who always and always keep answering to newbie questions about his products and do his best to help out + it seems to be a good script and can handle many processes.

                                    Word fucking up!
                                    We are not friends just for the record I dont even know OP by name to tell you the truth the only thing we ever discuss is operation of the TP script , bugs , fixes and updates etc. I dont know what you call a friend but for me to be someones friend I need to know something about them so no hes not my "friend"
                                    They build a reliable product that should not be stolen - is my reason for defending their name.

                                    In my experiences with JMB I have been provided smart ass technical support, and scripts that were less than reliable in many cases and now I see them stealing which leaves an even worse opinion of the company in my mind.

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                                    • brassmonkey
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by procam
                                      We are not friends just for the record I dont even know OP by name to tell you the truth the only thing we ever discuss is operation of the TP script , bugs , fixes and updates etc. I dont know what you call a friend but for me to be someones friend I need to know something about them so no hes not my "friend"
                                      They build a reliable product that should not be stolen - is my reason for defending their name.

                                      In my experiences with JMB I have been provided smart ass technical support, and scripts that were less than reliable in many cases and now I see them stealing which leaves an even worse opinion of the company in my mind.
                                      you say jmb is stealing you should be banned
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                                      • Farang
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                                        • Oct 2004
                                        • 11713

                                        #20
                                        Old school ATX fan here
                                        fbm

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                                        • procam
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by brassmonkey
                                          you say jmb is stealing you should be banned
                                          I should be banned for speaking the truth eh ?

                                          Says something for your integrity

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                                          • brassmonkey
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by procam
                                            I should be banned for speaking the truth eh ?
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                                            • ipolic
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                                              • Nov 2003
                                              • 1486

                                              #23
                                              Greta script, LMK if you wanna test out trade pulse anyway ;)

                                              Originally posted by Farang
                                              Old school ATX fan here

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                                              • fris
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                                                • Aug 2002
                                                • 55679

                                                #24
                                                the css styling looks similar, but its not a copy, and the source code im sure isnt the same
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                                                • ipolic
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                                                  • Nov 2003
                                                  • 1486

                                                  #25
                                                  Nobody here speaks about design, on script of this scale design is smallest issue...I speak about functions and how they are made/invented ;).

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                                                  • BIGTYMER
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                                                    • Nov 2004
                                                    • 17066

                                                    #26
                                                    Maybe they designed it off yours. Did you look at the script code?

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                                                    • MMarko
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                                                      #27
                                                      I don't get it... They thought this will pass unnoticed?
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                                                      • fris
                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                        • Aug 2002
                                                        • 55679

                                                        #28
                                                        ya did you actually look at the source code vs yours?

                                                        adding features of another script isnt exactly *copying*

                                                        cause a tube script adds the ability to import csv files, and another script also does it, does that mean they stole it?
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                                                        • brassmonkey
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by fris
                                                          ya did you actually look at the source code vs yours?

                                                          adding features of another script isnt exactly *copying*

                                                          cause a tube script adds the ability to import csv files, and another script also does it, does that mean they stole it?
                                                          thats real talk
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                                                          • Agent 488
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                                                            • Feb 2006
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                                                            #30
                                                            strong words.

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                                                            • AlCapone
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                                                              • Sep 2003
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                                                              #31
                                                              It doesn't look anything alike. You're just jealous that someone did a better job of it than you did. Your design itself blows and is anything but functional. The source is completely different.

                                                              That's like saying "WTF! Google copied my script! Have you seen their search bar? OMG! They copied me! I have a search bar too!"

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                                                              • ipolic
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                                                                #32
                                                                Actually I looked how features are implemented, and only those of you who actually have skills with trade scripts and grown decent sites will know what I speak about.

                                                                So for example skim schemes can be done in MANY ways, but if someone exactly copies first X clicks, and after that cycled clicks what was our invention how to handle it then yes it is a copy. If all scripts have 1 outlist and ours has 3 outlists(1 main + 2 bonus) then it's not design copy, it's copy of how script is coded/how it works.

                                                                If we invented traffic quality feature and if we use specified way to sort countries into quality groups and they use exact same way then yes, it is a copy...

                                                                I don't care if they copied FUNCTION, I care if they copied how FUNCTION works ;).

                                                                But hey again, I am proud that our script is copied, it just shows how much in front of others we actually are.

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                                                                • Oracle Porn
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                                                                  • brassmonkey
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by AlCapone
                                                                    It doesn't look anything alike. You're just jealous that someone did a better job of it than you did. Your design itself blows and is anything but functional. The source is completely different.

                                                                    That's like saying "WTF! Google copied my script! Have you seen their search bar? OMG! They copied me! I have a search bar too!"

                                                                    Assclown
                                                                    TradeX is in beta its $59.95 which is just a steal of a deal
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                                                                    • Cyber Fucker
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Drama time!!!!!!

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                                                                      • Godsmack
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by AlCapone
                                                                        It doesn't look anything alike. You're just jealous that someone did a better job of it than you did. Your design itself blows and is anything but functional. The source is completely different.

                                                                        That's like saying "WTF! Google copied my script! Have you seen their search bar? OMG! They copied me! I have a search bar too!"

                                                                        Assclown
                                                                        Nothing personal but it sounds like you have no clue what was copied exactly.
                                                                        It's not always only about the look and feel but more importantly features and algo's.
                                                                        Btw, TP is an excellent script that is hard to beat, i can tell you that i have used ANY script out there and even helped develop a hugely popular trade script.
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                                                                        • Farang
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                                                                          • Oct 2004
                                                                          • 11713

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by brassmonkey
                                                                          its very cheap $59
                                                                          Originally posted by brassmonkey
                                                                          good for you
                                                                          Originally posted by brassmonkey
                                                                          you say jmb is stealing you should be banned
                                                                          Originally posted by brassmonkey
                                                                          Originally posted by brassmonkey
                                                                          thats real talk
                                                                          Originally posted by brassmonkey
                                                                          TradeX is in beta its $59.95 which is just a steal of a deal
                                                                          Can we keep clueless sigwhores out of business threads, thank you.
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                                                                          • sandman!
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                                                                            • Mar 2001
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            who cares there is a reason there are almost no big sites running JBM products they are half ass products that get sold cheap to bargain hunting webmasters.
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                                                                            • mpahlca
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              OK since this thread is way to long to read, shouldnt choker own all with his age old trade script that used skim? shouldnt you then say yours with stats and all the shit he had be in debt to him? Scripts are ideas if you patent it then its yours otherwise walk away now.
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                                                                              • brassmonkey
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by Farang
                                                                                Can we keep clueless sigwhores out of business threads, thank you.
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                                                                                • crockett
                                                                                  in a van by the river
                                                                                  • May 2003
                                                                                  • 76818

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by ipolic
                                                                                  Nobody here speaks about design, on script of this scale design is smallest issue...I speak about functions and how they are made/invented ;).
                                                                                  I've used just about every trade script out there and while they do look similar in design "all" trade scripts end up with the same "functions" in the end. Same with TGP & Tube scripts, they all copy each other.

                                                                                  It's what happens in this biz and every other unless you have a patent on the concept. Someone comes out with an idea then, others take the idea and add in their own.

                                                                                  Someone built the first trade script that everyone else copied. Your script has ideas and functions that come from other scripts. Your script would have never been possible with out the ideas that others had in the past.

                                                                                  Unless they copied your code or unless you own the patent for your functions then there isn't anything you can say about someone else using your ideas.

                                                                                  Just the way it is, like it or not.
                                                                                  Last edited by crockett; 03-09-2010, 08:39 AM.
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                                                                                  • ipolic
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                                                                                    • 1486

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Not really because there is difference if you use feature idea or you copy how feature works. For example if you copy exact car model or you simply use idea behind car to drive passengers.

                                                                                    Originally posted by mpahlca
                                                                                    OK since this thread is way to long to read, shouldnt choker own all with his age old trade script that used skim? shouldnt you then say yours with stats and all the shit he had be in debt to him? Scripts are ideas if you patent it then its yours otherwise walk away now.

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                                                                                    • ipolic
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      I agree with you until part where I can't say something(I never said I will do anything else except that) so ofcourse I can say and I am doing exactly that: Thank you JMBSOFT for copying things from us.

                                                                                      Originally posted by crockett
                                                                                      I've used just about every trade script out there and while they do look similar in design "all" trade scripts end up with the same "functions" in the end. Same with TGP & Tube scripts, they all copy each other.

                                                                                      It's what happens in this biz and every other unless you have a patent on the concept. Someone comes out with an idea then, others take the idea and add in their own.

                                                                                      Someone built the first trade script that everyone else copied. Your script has ideas and functions that come from other scripts. Your script would have never been possible with out the ideas that others had in the past.

                                                                                      Unless they copied your code or unless you own the patent for your functions then there isn't anything you can say about someone else using your ideas.

                                                                                      Just the way it is, like it or not.

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                                                                                      • crockett
                                                                                        in a van by the river
                                                                                        • May 2003
                                                                                        • 76818

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by ipolic
                                                                                        I agree with you until part where I can't say something(I never said I will do anything else except that) so ofcourse I can say and I am doing exactly that: Thank you JMBSOFT for copying things from us.
                                                                                        Well, I didn't mean it as you can't actually say something.. lol I'm just saying it won't do anything other than let you vent your views.

                                                                                        The point I was getting at, is it's all part of the game. If you have a good idea that works, unless you have some way to protect that idea legally then everyone else is going to copy that idea.

                                                                                        Best you can do is keep improving on your ideas. Even though it's not open source, thats still the way the script biz works because everyone takes everyone elses ideas and adds them to their own scripts.
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                                                                                        • ipolic
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Yep's I agree here with you 500% and we are continuing to do that, new ideas and new lines of code ;).

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                                                                                          • Agent 488
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                                                                                            • Feb 2006
                                                                                            • 22511

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            make a copy of their script back sell it for cheaper.

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                                                                                            • Farang
                                                                                              one sick puppy
                                                                                              • Oct 2004
                                                                                              • 11713

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by brassmonkey
                                                                                              being sober sucks doesnt it
                                                                                              monkey stop icqing me, I don't have time to chat with you
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                                                                                              • ipolic
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                                                                                                • 1486

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                So fight enemy with their tactics :D

                                                                                                Our time is worth more then that and it will be used for inventing new features and coding ;)

                                                                                                Originally posted by Agent 488
                                                                                                make a copy of their script back sell it for cheaper.

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                                                                                                • brassmonkey
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  in your first statement man you use the word "digg" they have a script that is an exact clone puff puff and pass increase the peace.

                                                                                                  Originally posted by ipolic
                                                                                                  First of all, I as developer of Trade Pulse together with my coding partners would like to say that we are very glad that JMBSOFT liked so much our script that they copied majority of it! Thnx guys we are really honored since that is one more proof we are always 2 steps infront from other scripts!

                                                                                                  Now to show off some original methods we used(inventions of my partner also from proton and progress tm scripts) and how JMBSOFT did it their way:

                                                                                                  Skim Schemes Original vs Copy:


                                                                                                  Trade Quality Countries vs Copy:


                                                                                                  I like innovative way of 3 outlists (our invention) a lot:


                                                                                                  We found many more "similarities" and you can preview them here: http://scriptpulse.com/tptx/

                                                                                                  and ofcourse you can digg much more of them looking at demo's of both scripts!

                                                                                                  Trade Pulse (original) demo here: http://www.scriptpulse.com
                                                                                                  TradeX demo (copy) here: http://www.jmbsoft.com/r/teenage/software/tradex/

                                                                                                  We are also happy that you use external user info feature (as we spoke over email) so at least we all together will have some profit from that(more quality traffic and again our invention)!

                                                                                                  Guys keep up the great work and please continue to be inspired by Trade Pulse, at least we are sure that your script will ROCK! Don't forget the backend (you need to get blazing fast speeds of script exec times as we did it).
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                                                                                                  • brassmonkey
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by ipolic
                                                                                                    So fight enemy with their tactics :D

                                                                                                    Our time is worth more then that and it will be used for inventing new features and coding ;)
                                                                                                    i dont think kill dozer would do that.
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