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papill0n 03-11-2010 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 16933014)
the fact is the previous affiliate agreement was a valid contract for the members that signup under that agreement, and the "lifetime" revshare from those people should be paid out.

you can't just void your previous commitments/responsibilities (at least under canadian laws)

while the tos change would justify not paying out revshare on the POST DEC 2009 sales nothing legally justifies voiding the previous fiscal responsibility.

affilates who are screwed should get together to sue for the net present value of the income stream stolen.


please list your mental health issues

GTS Mark 03-11-2010 10:02 PM

It's unfortunate because i used to make really good money with these guys but i ran into very similar circumstances where they wanted to stop paying me for my old sales.

Oh well what can you do... :)

closer 03-11-2010 10:44 PM

I've seen this happen with another program without even changing the terms, lifetime revenue it was, well, the affiliate promoted them heavily for one year and decided to stop promoting them to give space to another program but was still receiving revshares. The program decided that was not fair and just deleted their account.

I suppose LIFETIME is like 1 week these days

rowan 03-11-2010 11:33 PM

"Lifetime commissions (on new spenders only) will be reinstated right after you regain Active Affiliate status"

I may be misunderstanding the wording but am I correct in assuming that if you dip below 5 qualified/month for a couple of months the revshare on your EXISTING memberships is also dropped, permanently? In other words all links with members are lost even once you're back at 5+, your account is basically like a brand new opened one.

It's one thing to suspend... it's another to effectively delete and create-as-new...

mule 03-12-2010 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Gsx-R (Post 16938628)
Mule, how much did you lose from revshare members due to this change of Terms?

It wasn't too bad, $174.48
The last week though there were no earnings whatsoever, something that had never happened before...that was probably when they disconnected all my previous spenders from my account.

mule 03-12-2010 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by rowan (Post 16939888)
"Lifetime commissions (on new spenders only) will be reinstated right after you regain Active Affiliate status"

I may be misunderstanding the wording but am I correct in assuming that if you dip below 5 qualified/month for a couple of months the revshare on your EXISTING memberships is also dropped, permanently? In other words all links with members are lost even once you're back at 5+, your account is basically like a brand new opened one.

It's one thing to suspend... it's another to effectively delete and create-as-new...

Nope, you're not misunderstanding. My account was reset to 0 qualified members.

roly 03-12-2010 04:01 AM

i don't use camsense but surely this is fairly clear cut win, legally. don't you have small claims courts in the US?

PornMD 03-12-2010 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Choker (Post 16928857)
There have been too many cases in which affiliates have not been actively working to send new traffic to our sites for months, in some cases years, and have still been collecting commissions on past spenders. Meanwhile, there are other affiliates who have been working hard to deliver new traffic to our sites each month. These partners are much more invested in the current success of our business, and it is those affiliates that we want to ensure are rewarded for their efforts.

Translation: We should never have said "lifetime revshare" but did so anyways because it was a nice shiny statement to attract new affiliates. Rather than live with the error of our ways by living up to the words we used to get those old affiliates, we're choosing to fuck them and focus on newer affiliates, whom we'll be fucking in a couple years' time. We hope you understand.

BTW, ironically I had tweeted an observation last night before I had seen this thread: Good changes: "Check out these new features!" Bad Changes: "We've recently updated our 100-page TOS, please read/accept."

BoardiesBitch 03-12-2010 04:13 AM

if sending 5 signups PER MONTH is too much for you, then you should definitely try to find another business...

PornMD 03-12-2010 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 16928807)
False advertising?

It says you earn on ALL of your viewers spend for life. It also says ONE big spender can earn you thousands. Not true. If you only have ONE big spender spending thousands would make you nothing.

Camsense if you are proud of your new changes and think there is nothing wrong with it why dont you put the information that there is min sales requirements to be met on the front page real big so everyone can see?

Sadly, I see some loopholes in their wording:

"40% LIFETIME Revenue Share Program" - the only non-loophole line
"Earn as much as 40% of all your viewers spend for life." - "As much as" = could be 0% could be 40%
"Landing a big spender could earn you thousands annually!" - "could" = could or could not...you could earn that much but you may possibly not earn that much, which opens the possibility of earning $0.

I see this wording shit all the time. Particularly the phrase "you can win XYZ" is abused so much in so many places basically trying to fool people into thinking in their minds it says "you WILL win XYZ". It's awful how 1 word can basically make a sentence complete bullshit and hollow.

ErectMedia 03-12-2010 04:19 AM

old sales should still be honored under the original agreement as those were the terms when you sent any old whales that continue to spend, changing the terms to say you have to keep sending a minimum amount of current spenders for old sales to be paid is horseshit as many people stop promoting programs after a while if they find something better, guess the new questions will be "What's your definition of Lifetime?" and then "What will be your definition of Lifetime be in a year or 2?" http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lifetime glad I never promoted that shit

darksoul 03-12-2010 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BoardiesBitch (Post 16940180)
if sending 5 signups PER MONTH is too much for you, then you should definitely try to find another business...

Doesn't matter how many you send. You should be paid for your work.
I never actively promoted camsense because of their subpar revshare commission.
But if one of the sponsors I'm promoting would pull such a thing I'd drop them in a heart beat.
There are plenty of options out there and no need to support such shaddy practices.

mule 03-12-2010 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by BoardiesBitch (Post 16940180)
if sending 5 signups PER MONTH is too much for you, then you should definitely try to find another business...

If I were a big enough idiot to put all my webcam eggs in one basket, I'd have been sending 50 joins a month. Now there's your cue: say 50 joins a month is peanuts. It'll make you feel big and important.

bdld 03-12-2010 05:15 AM

plain and simple, it's theft.

VladS 03-12-2010 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by BoardiesBitch (Post 16940180)
if sending 5 signups PER MONTH is too much for you, then you should definitely try to find another business...

If you do not send 5 new qualified spenders per month, each month, you lose your previous earnings. That means if you have kept sending quality traffic to CamSense and have a nice base of whales and it happens that one month you don't send 5 new qualified spenders, you basically lose all of your previous work.

It's just like you say: "Hey CamSense, i have not been a good affiliate this month; i did not send 5 new qualified spenders. Here CamSense, take my previous work and keep it. I'll just start over again from scratch."

MaDalton 03-12-2010 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BoardiesBitch (Post 16940180)
if sending 5 signups PER MONTH is too much for you, then you should definitely try to find another business...

you're missing the point

Quagmire 03-12-2010 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 16940332)
you're missing the point

No, he isn't. He's trooooooooooooooooooooooooolling.

http://bookreviewsbybobbie.files.wor...9/08/troll.jpg

roly 03-12-2010 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BoardiesBitch (Post 16940180)
if sending 5 signups PER MONTH is too much for you, then you should definitely try to find another business...

you're missing the point completely or you work for camsense.

Tickler 03-12-2010 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoardiesBitch (Post 16940180)
if sending 5 signups PER MONTH is too much for you, then you should definitely try to find another business...

So if one sends a 1000 sales a month spread over 1000 sponsors they should be in another business!

I guess a lot of us oldtimers that don't put all our eggs in one basket should quit then. :upsidedow :error

HandballJim 03-13-2010 01:11 AM

this is makes no business sense, many affiliates just starting out have to work hard for just 1 sale...and when they get that 1 sale its like hitting the lottery. Then because they did not read every word on a the terms...they get canned by the program for not producing. This is a great way to fail in my opinion, and lose that affiliate for life.

a little affiliate now can turn into a monster producer in the future.

See my Sig. for a Cams sponsor that converts with no hidden strings. + sign up bonus. :thumbsup

sitesurfer70 03-13-2010 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by closer (Post 16939826)
I've seen this happen with another program without even changing the terms, lifetime revenue it was, well, the affiliate promoted them heavily for one year and decided to stop promoting them to give space to another program but was still receiving revshares. The program decided that was not fair and just deleted their account.

I suppose LIFETIME is like 1 week these days


Is not even lifetime revshare if this is the case......Is just stupid logic to do this to make webmaster keep pushing them in order to get new sales.....I got a sale from a paysite I hardly push...but when I get the sales...it rebilled for more than a year....if every program does not honor revshare....might as well just offer big PPS links only...

will76 03-13-2010 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by BoardiesBitch (Post 16940180)
if sending 5 signups PER MONTH is too much for you, then you should definitely try to find another business...

lmao.... thanks for the laugh.

Trax 03-13-2010 06:51 AM

this is royally fucked up.
fuck them
bump

mule 03-13-2010 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Trax (Post 16943246)
this is royally fucked up.
fuck them
bump

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lazycash 03-13-2010 10:41 AM

There was a thread about this last month, https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/952684-camsense-paid.html

acrylix 03-13-2010 08:38 PM

Thanks, just added to my "do not promote" list. :thumbsup

EvilHearts 03-14-2010 12:22 AM

CamSense makes no sense! lol

Thats a nice shave

v4 media 03-14-2010 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 16931982)
seems pretty straightforward doesn't it.. just like if you bought a house and the bank changed the terms to say you must give him handjobs every month to keep your house. You would probably want to go with the old contract.


My bank manager's a hot milf Id happily tickle her fajita every month.

Roald 03-17-2010 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Gsx-R (Post 16940317)
If you do not send 5 new qualified spenders per month, each month, you lose your previous earnings. That means if you have kept sending quality traffic to CamSense and have a nice base of whales and it happens that one month you don't send 5 new qualified spenders, you basically lose all of your previous work.

It's just like you say: "Hey CamSense, i have not been a good affiliate this month; i did not send 5 new qualified spenders. Here CamSense, take my previous work and keep it. I'll just start over again from scratch."

:2 cents:

DVTimes 02-11-2011 05:48 AM

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