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Zombaio Launches Adult Website Certification Program

03-03-2010, 07:17 AM

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MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif. ? Internet Payment Services Provider (IPSP) Zombaio has announced its launch of a free website certification program targeting the online adult industry.
Zombaio's Certified Site program is free for participating client merchants, and according to the company, websites that use its Certified Site seal on their main, tour and join pages will increase sales by 10-20 percent.

"There are a lot of site seals out there, some of them cover TOS reviews and some PCI compliance," Zombaio Payment Services VP Tomas Anderson said. "But what really matters for the end user is how the payment and subscription is carried out and the fear that once paid, they have no access, there are cross sales or there [is] little content in the members section."

Anderson says that Zombaio carefully monitors the certified sites in its program.

"For all new sites added to the system, we do a due diligence on the company as well as the principals behind the site [and] submit our due diligence to Visa and MasterCard for compliance control," Anderson said. "After this we add each site to a compliance monitoring platform, which will detect changes on the pages and fraudulent activity on the merchant side."

"As the site starts processing transactions, we review the member content and make sure they get what is promised on the tour [and] make sure there are contact ways (at least to Zombaio)," Anderson added. "Then we issue the site seal, where we guarantee that the content is there, is accessible and that we are available for the customer should there be any trouble with access to the content."

What sets Zombaio apart in this market is that as an IPSP, it is in a unique position to make site guarantees, as it has more data available and access to the certified system.

"We see transaction flows and get consumer complaints regarding site violations, etc., instantly and can react," Anderson concluded. "We also have the power of issuing refunds for sites breaching our or their own TOS."

Read more about the program here:
https://www.zombaio.com/certified_site.asp
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03-03-2010, 07:20 AM

This sounds like a great move!

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03-03-2010, 07:21 AM

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03-03-2010, 07:32 AM

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03-03-2010, 07:34 AM

Nice, when will you be fixing your IAS? Or should we just go with nats? Serious question, not bitching.

Zombaio rules, did you ever tell us where the name came from though? Might have missed that memo. =]

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03-03-2010, 07:37 AM

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Nice, when will you be fixing your IAS? Or should we just go with nats? Serious question, not bitching.

Zombaio rules, did you ever tell us where the name came from though? Might have missed that memo. =]

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03-03-2010, 12:49 PM

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03-03-2010, 01:02 PM

Good idea!

Q. If a tour says it "updates daily", how do you verify that (or any updates/time period claim). Recycling of old content can be/is classed as an update, since if it doesn't state "new content added xxx" then anything changing the member area is classed as an update.

However, as a member, they expet update to mean new content.....

semantics of course... but valid marketing techniques....

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03-03-2010, 01:04 PM

Get in touch, Tomas --- we already process with you, this is a natural 'next step.' ICQ 596861610 --- I'll be available anytime tomorrow. Thanks!
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03-03-2010, 01:28 PM

HA! 10-20% bump in sales from a graphical seal... that's a pretty big ballzy claim.

Show me the data or GTFO!

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03-03-2010, 01:58 PM

theres one already that i know of that pretty much everyone uses. www.websitesecure.org

how is this one different?
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03-03-2010, 02:07 PM

Zombaio's Certified Site program is free for participating client merchants

I'm curious if you mean: 'Free for clients who already pay your company to process their billing for them.' Is that what you mean? I am all for as many companies as possible being directly involved in helping to establish a bright line between the scammers and the ethical businesses in the adult market. Clarification would be helpful.

theres one already that i know of that pretty much everyone uses. www.websitesecure.org how is this one different?

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WebsiteSecure.org is an XBIZ Award nominated certification service used by Porn.com, Hustler, Playgirl, BlazingBucks, TopBucks, HunkMoney, NetCash, Webair and dozens of other major companies in both adult and mainstream with several more major announcements on the way in the coming month. We take our role very seriously and if Zombaio intends to certify only honest ethical companies with sites that give the consumer what they promise in a fair manner, we are all for their decision to follow our lead.

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03-03-2010, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by Relentless

We take our role very seriously and if Zombaio intends to certify only honest ethical companies with sites that give the consumer what they promise in a fair manner, we are all for their decision to follow our lead.

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03-03-2010, 04:39 PM

Poppy cocks on all of you !

10- 20% my ass!

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03-03-2010, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by borked

Good idea!

Q. If a tour says it "updates daily", how do you verify that (or any updates/time period claim). Recycling of old content can be/is classed as an update, since if it doesn't state "new content added xxx" then anything changing the member area is classed as an update.

However, as a member, they expet update to mean new content.....

semantics of course... but valid marketing techniques....

Well we don't care so much if it says daily updates, but we require updates within the billing cycle. If you have a 30 day rebill cycle you should have updates within that cycle. If you can't manage that you need to adjust your billing cycle.

We will of course not close a merchant for breaching, but the site seal will be revoked after several failures to comply.
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03-03-2010, 05:55 PM

Originally posted by gleem

HA! 10-20% bump in sales from a graphical seal... that's a pretty big ballzy claim.

Well it's more than a graphical seal, it's a promose behind the seal that there are company behind the site you can contact (the IPSP). It's all in the article. the 10-20 % is taken from one of the largest site seal companies for mainstream; adult should not be that different.

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theres one already that i know of that pretty much everyone uses. www.websitesecure.org
how is this one different?

Im not very familiar with websitesecure.org so I can't answer that exactly. But what we do compared to others is not only reviewing TOS and the business, we actually monitor the traffic, payment flow, access complaints, content complaints etc. We are also in a position where we can help the member/cardholder with access or content trouble over phone/chat email instantly, and give a refund guarantee.

Zombaio's trained support staff will of course do everything to make sure access is created, content is accessible etc before issuing any refund.

Originally posted by Relentless

I'm curious if you mean: 'Free for clients who already pay your company to process their billing for them.' Is that what you mean? I am all for as many companies as possible being directly involved in helping to establish a bright line between the scammers and the ethical businesses in the adult market. Clarification would be helpful.

Yes, free for all clients that process with us. It would be impossible for us to give the content and payment gurantee without beeing the IPSP for the certified site.

Originally posted by Relentless

Zombaio intends to certify only honest ethical companies with sites that give the consumer what they promise in a fair manner, we are all for their decision to follow our lead.

We will gladly follow your lead!

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03-03-2010, 06:10 PM

If zombaio certifies any client for free but will continue to process for clients that do not pass inspection (without letting them display the seal) isn't that an admission that zombaio knowingly processes for unethical websites? Doesn't that also mean any site processed by zombaio without a seal displayed is a scammer?

I'm confused. If you know a site can not pass your own ethics inspection why would you process payments for them at all? Shouldn't you be only processing payments for ethical companies with fair billing standards?

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03-03-2010, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by Relentless

If zombaio certifies any client for free but will continue to process for clients that do not pass inspection (without letting them display the seal) isn't that an admission that zombaio knowingly processes for unethical websites? Doesn't that also mean any site processed by zombaio without a seal displayed is a scammer?

I'm confused. If you know a site can not pass your own ethics inspection why would you process payments for them at all? Shouldn't you be only processing payments for ethical companies with fair billing standards?

I know this one would hit back. I was referring to the content update, and was trying to say that the site seal can be revoked instantly while the "processing business" is legally bound to the contract; in the contract (AUP part) we are stating that content must be updated within the billing cycle, but there are also space/time for the merchant to get compliant and follow the contract. Termination of billing contract; is stated in the contract, however, the seal can be revoked without notice.

We are very confident that our certified websites has fair billing standards hence we are the biller and sets the billing standards (no pre-checked, mult cross etc).
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03-03-2010, 06:42 PM

is this another obscenity type debate?

lets define unethical. that might be a good place to start.

visa is completely happy with cross sales done under their guidelines.

i think if you take a look around, you'll see that almost EVERY large program with any kind of volume has prechecks above the join button. and if not, they are certainly the majority.

just curious as to if you're going to go on the record and say that cross sales are not a fair business practice, as i don't want to be confused.

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03-03-2010, 06:47 PM

fyi, good looking out on making sites update.

sites that don't update are not helping anyone out there, especially when the tours advertise daily updates and don't update for months.
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03-03-2010, 06:50 PM

Originally posted by seeric

just curious as to if you're going to go on the record and say that cross sales are not a fair business practice, as i don't want to be confused.

I'm not with you here seeric... we absolutley do what this indystry calls cross sales (called up-sales in banking). I was talking abount multi cross: Where cardholder data is shared between merchant accounts. You join one site that cross sell (share card data) with another merchant account without your permission.
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03-03-2010, 06:52 PM

Originally posted by seeric

fyi, good looking out on making sites update.

sites that don't update are not helping anyone out there, especially when the tours advertise daily updates and don't update for months.

Yes, everyone will benefit from enforcing site updates. Good for the member, good for the adult business.
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03-03-2010, 07:08 PM

Originally posted by Zombaio_Tomas

I'm not with you here seeric... we absolutley do what this indystry calls cross sales (called up-sales in banking). I was talking abount multi cross: Where cardholder data is shared between merchant accounts. You join one site that cross sell (share card data) with another merchant account without your permission.

ahhhhh gotcha. yes, that is bad news. thanks for the clarification.

my question was motivated by the ongoing ethical debate over cross sales in general.

thank you for answering.
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03-03-2010, 07:55 PM

Originally posted by gleem

HA! 10-20% bump in sales from a graphical seal... that's a pretty big ballzy claim.

Show me the data or GTFO!

Even the mainstream seals from the various companies don't claim as high as 20% increase.... at least not from what I've seen...

Perhaps having the "Secure" seal could come close vs not being a secure site for ecommerce. But just a quality seal, I find that very hard to believe.

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03-03-2010, 08:00 PM

Zombaio seems to be gaining some momentum, congrats on this. We are picking up clients using you as billing.

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03-03-2010, 09:50 PM

Originally posted by gleem

HA! 10-20% bump in sales from a graphical seal... that's a pretty big ballzy claim.

Show me the data or GTFO!

and btw add referral program as an option for your aff platform. siteowners would like to pay webmasters for referring others to promote them. it's a standard practice for this biz

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03-04-2010, 05:03 AM

back when surfers were more gullible, we ran tests on meaningless seals of certification and discovered they don't change a surfer's mind at all.

Having a biller do it instead of a nobody certainly makes a difference, just not to the surfer. wasted realestate on a paysite.
made clickable its a traffic leak.
end of story.

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03-04-2010, 05:09 AM

Originally posted by Zombaio_Tomas

http://www.xbiz.com/news/118159

MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif. ? Internet Payment Services Provider (IPSP) Zombaio has announced its launch of a free website certification program targeting the online adult industry.
Zombaio's Certified Site program is free for participating client merchants, and according to the company, websites that use its Certified Site seal on their main, tour and join pages will increase sales by 10-20 percent.

"There are a lot of site seals out there, some of them cover TOS reviews and some PCI compliance," Zombaio Payment Services VP Tomas Anderson said. "But what really matters for the end user is how the payment and subscription is carried out and the fear that once paid, they have no access, there are cross sales or there [is] little content in the members section."

Anderson says that Zombaio carefully monitors the certified sites in its program.

"For all new sites added to the system, we do a due diligence on the company as well as the principals behind the site [and] submit our due diligence to Visa and MasterCard for compliance control," Anderson said. "After this we add each site to a compliance monitoring platform, which will detect changes on the pages and fraudulent activity on the merchant side."

"As the site starts processing transactions, we review the member content and make sure they get what is promised on the tour [and] make sure there are contact ways (at least to Zombaio)," Anderson added. "Then we issue the site seal, where we guarantee that the content is there, is accessible and that we are available for the customer should there be any trouble with access to the content."

What sets Zombaio apart in this market is that as an IPSP, it is in a unique position to make site guarantees, as it has more data available and access to the certified system.

"We see transaction flows and get consumer complaints regarding site violations, etc., instantly and can react," Anderson concluded. "We also have the power of issuing refunds for sites breaching our or their own TOS."

Read more about the program here:
https://www.zombaio.com/certified_site.asp

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03-04-2010, 05:27 AM

Gleem,

You seem fixated on the percentage increase in sales. From a financial perspective the two questions to ask yourself are:
Is there any way having my site certified could hurt my site?

Will the seals earn back more than they cost?

WebsiteSecure.org clients have done very well so far with the answers to both.

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12clicks,

Having seen your sites and made note of the aggressive style you favor, it is not at all surprising that you would find certification seals 'unhelpful.' On the other hand, WebsiteSecure.org seals are seen more than 60 Million times each month and are viewed by consumers on the top brands in the adult industry. They also appear on noteworthy review sites and are advertised in mainstream media as well. When a buyer sees a Website Secure seal on any paysite and signs up *without* getting screwed.... they become much more likely to sign up in the future on any other site where they see the same certification seal.

Website Secure seals are much more than a 'graphical image' on a site. They are also a direct link to a full report about the site which includes customer support information, billing information and more. As for the 'traffic leak' angle, Slavdogg has already stated on GFY that he does not believe they are a leak. Major companies including Porn.com, Hustler, TopBucks, NaughtyAmerica and others are also well-aware that the seals are not a leak.

Since you have nothing to gain by seeing many ethical websites monetize the fact that they provide quality services which are fairly stated and ethically managed - it should surprise nobody that you decided to post negatively in this thread. Helping honest companies earn more while creating a bright line between ethical sites and scammer sites is a worthwhile goal ... sorry you find that unhelpful.

Zambaio,

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03-04-2010, 05:37 AM

Originally posted by Relentless

Gleem,

12clicks,

Having seen your sites and made note of the aggressive style you favor, it is not at all surprising that you would find certification seals 'unhelpful.' On the other hand, WebsiteSecure.org seals are seen more than 60 Million times each month and are viewed by consumers on the top brands in the adult industry. They also appear on noteworthy review sites and are advertised in mainstream media as well. When a buyer sees a Website Secure seal on any paysite and signs up *without* getting screwed.... they become much more likely to sign up in the future on any other site where they see the same certification seal.

Website Secure seals are much more than a 'graphical image' on a site. They are also a direct link to a full report about the site which includes customer support information, billing information and more. As for the 'traffic leak' angle, Slavdogg has already stated on GFY that he does not believe they are a leak. Major companies including Porn.com, Hustler, TopBucks, NaughtyAmerica and others are also well-aware that the seals are not a leak.

Since you have nothing to gain by seeing many ethical websites monetize the fact that they provide quality services which are fairly stated and ethically managed - it should surprise nobody that you decided to post negatively in this thread. Helping honest companies earn more while creating a bright line between ethical sites and scammer sites is a worthwhile goal ... sorry you find that unhelpful.

Zambaio,

Thanks for the informative replies and good luck

considering I've handled more traffic than the 60 million impressions a month you claim your gif receives from your "partners"
I'm in a far better position to judge their effectiveness than some text writer who's never dealt with traffic in his life, has no data besides his keyboard to support his claims, and has been doing it for about 2 months.

Also, since you are an absolute non-entity to every surfer who sees your so called "seal"
the credibility factor is not real, its contrived. At least a biller brings the credibility of having the blessings of the credit card companies and banks.

oh, and can we see this mainstream advertising you say you're doing for it?

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03-04-2010, 05:41 AM

Sorry Ronald, too busy today to play with you on the boards.
You don't misunderstand... you intend not to understand.
I'm sure you can find plenty of people to blather at in one of your political or religious threads.

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03-04-2010, 05:42 AM

oh, and also, text writer, careful the claims you make about my sites.
if Eric makes you back your claims of aggressiveness, your free advertising here may be in jeopardy :

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03-04-2010, 05:43 AM

Originally posted by Relentless

Sorry Ronald, too busy today to play with you on the boards.
You don't misunderstand... you intend not to understand.
I'm sure you can find plenty of people to blather at in one of your political or religious threads.

Best of luck.

yeah, I didn't expect you to be able to back up your mainstream advertising claims.

sucks when the curtain is pulled aside, eh?

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03-04-2010, 05:48 AM

Originally posted by 12clicks

yeah, I didn't expect you to be able to back up your mainstream advertising claims. sucks when the curtain is pulled aside, eh?

Be careful of overstepping your bounds Ronald. Website Secure is quite capable of backing up every claim made... that doesn't mean discussing our plans or actions with you is a good idea. You are not someone who would benefit from ethical sites becoming certified and increasing their market share, so it surprises nobody that you would feel the urge to bark about it happening. In many ways, the fact that you dislike the notion, is a glowing endorsement.

Anyone interested in learning more is welcome to Contact @ WebsiteSecure.org or ICQ# 266942896.

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03-04-2010, 05:53 AM

Originally posted by Relentless

Be careful of overstepping your bounds Ronald. Website Secure is quite capable of backing up every claim made... that doesn't mean discussing our plans or actions with you is a good idea.

ahhhh, I see! now its a "plan of action" not actual "mainstream advertising"

also, if you had any real data to back your claims, this board would be a perfect place to display it.
The fact that you won't (can't) speaks volumes.
such data would make you an overnight success.

oh, and text writer, I never overstep my bounds. I've forgotten more about this business than you'll ever know. including the fact that seals of approval from non-recognized entities are meaningless. (until this thread popped up and jarred my memory)

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03-04-2010, 05:55 AM

Originally posted by 12clicks

blah blah blah...

Actual mainstream advertising, several mainstream clients, actual adult advertising, many adult clients. All easy to 'prove' or discuss. Just not interested in discussing any of the above with you. As I said earlier, that should surprise nobody.

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03-04-2010, 06:14 AM

Originally posted by Relentless

Actual mainstream advertising, several mainstream clients, actual adult advertising, many adult clients. All easy to 'prove' or discuss. Just not interested in discussing any of the above with you. As I said earlier, that should surprise nobody.

I doubt anyone is surprised that when your claims are called out, you can't back them up.

now why dont you run along and caption some tube vids.
I'm in this thread giving my opinion (backed by 12yrs of experience) on the value of a seal.
you're in a competitors announcement thread shitting it up with nothing more than claims you can't back up.

you have data showing your gif improves a sites profitability, post it.
you advertise your gif in the mainstream world, post it.

if you don't, prattle on to hide the fact. its your M.O.

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03-04-2010, 06:22 AM

Originally posted by 12clicks

I doubt anyone is surprised that when your claims are called out, you can't back them up. now why dont you run along and caption some tube vids.
I'm in this thread giving my opinion (backed by 12yrs of experience) on the value of a seal.
you're in a competitors announcement thread shitting it up with nothing more than claims you can't back up.

Actually I asked some simple questions which Zambaio was kind enough to answer and I think that went rather well. As I said earlier, the more people who take a *real* interest in creating a bright line... the better. The only one 'shitting up a storm' is you... sadly.

you have data showing your gif improves a sites profitability, post it.
you advertise your gif in the mainstream world, post it.

There are numerous threads about Website Secure on this board and others which include posts by companies stating directly that it has had a positive impact on their ratios. Those are easy to find. There are also easy examples of mainstream advertising which I can show to anyone interested. Sorry you feel left out. Go ahead and post last, GFY knows how important that is to you.

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03-04-2010, 06:30 AM

Originally posted by Relentless

you have data showing your gif improves a sites profitability, post it.
you advertise your gif in the mainstream world, post it.

if you don't, prattle on to hide the fact. its your M.O.

Originally posted by Relentless

Actually I asked some simple questions which Zambaio was kind enough to answer and I think that went rather well. As I said earlier, the more people who take a *real* interest in creating a bright line... the better. The only one 'shitting up a storm' is you... sadly.

There are numerous threads about Website Secure on this board and others which include posts by companies stating directly that it has had a positive impact on their ratios. Those are easy to find. There are also easy examples of mainstream advertising which I can show to anyone interested. Sorry you feel left out. Go ahead and post last, GFY knows how important that is to you.

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03-04-2010, 07:50 AM

Congrats on the launch!

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lol

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03-04-2010, 07:51 AM

sounds great
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03-04-2010, 08:13 AM

Originally posted by Relentless

Gleem,
You seem fixated on the percentage increase in sales. From a financial perspective the two questions to ask yourself are:
Is there any way having my site certified could hurt my site?
Will the seals earn back more than they cost?
WebsiteSecure.org clients have done very well so far with the answers to both.

Well if you are saying you have a client that showed by placing your seal on their site, they ran a comparison by randomly loader 1 tour with your seal, and 1 tour without and after say 100k uniques they looked at the data and saw they made $200 more with the seal, fine. All I'm saying is if you are for real, show me the site/person/data, cause I'm not buying it. If it's true, and you are legit, you should have no problem producing some referrals, if it's B.S. you won't want to give any names as referrals.

Originally posted by Zombaio_Tomas

Well it's more than a graphical seal, it's a promose behind the seal that there are company behind the site you can contact (the IPSP). It's all in the article. the 10-20 % is taken from one of the largest site seal companies for mainstream; adult should not be that different.

Mainstream is alot different than adult when it comes to seals, but thank you for admitting the 10-20% is pulled from something other than data. I don't mean to be a dick, but inflated claims like that set me off cause there are alot of gullible people that accept claims like that with no data to back it up, and I don't think it's fair to do that.

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03-04-2010, 08:16 AM

Originally posted by daizzzy

and btw add referral program as an option for your aff platform. siteowners would like to pay webmasters for referring others to promote them. it's a standard practice for this biz

I have refferal program built in since 4 years ago

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03-04-2010, 08:25 AM

Originally posted by gleem

Well if you are saying you have a client that showed by placing your seal on their site, they ran a comparison by randomly loader 1 tour with your seal, and 1 tour without and after say 100k uniques they looked at the data and saw they made $200 more with the seal, fine. All I'm saying is if you are for real, show me the site/person/data, cause I'm not buying it. If it's true, and you are legit, you should have no problem producing some referrals, if it's B.S. you won't want to give any names as referrals.

Contact me any time on ICQ# 266942896 and I will gladly give you contact information for reputable companies you can speak with about their experiences with Website Secure. There are also several other reasons to be certified which I can show you in great detail as well.

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