Cool! I just added you on ICQ :thumbsup

The raising minimums thing is one of the most annoying to me. Partly, who is to say they won't raise them again, the next time it is the moment to cut the check to me. And, partly, it is 100% breach of contract to change those terms, after I have already sent traffic, but they know nobody is going to go to small claims court for $50. And $50 times a lot of affiliates adds up. SpookyCash is not the biggest program on the block, but, if my checks were not cut by Epoch and CCBill, and I decided to raise the minimum payout to $250, I'd be keeping a lot of people's dough to the point where it would really add up to real money. I wouldn't do that regardless because I think a person's word should mean something when they give it. But obviously a lot of programs do not share my view. I've even had pretty big programs swear they were going to pay me, even after they changed to a higher minimum payout and, while some have done so, and I continue to promote them, some surprising players have either sent me a check which shorted me for some ridiculously small sum like $25 or keep saying they are gonna pay me real soon.

The thing is exactly the question you stated where, with CCBill, Epoch, and Zombaio, I do not have to ask is they are likely to actually SEND the payment once it is owed. It is hard enough to make sales in the current economic climate, so the last thing I want to spend my time on is chasing folks down for amounts of money less than $400, often as little as $50. Especially when some of these guys are big established programs with high profiles. But I can't help feeling that, if they were on CCBill, Epoch, or Zombaio, I'd just have my dough.

Right, then stage 3 is that program either goes out of business or sells to another party. And then the Coup de grace, the unpaid earnings slush fund goes bye bye with the original owner.

Pull your links if a program is dicking you around. Then start a thread about their sorry asses and keep bumping it until you're paid.

Exactly. Right now traffic and sales is king. If they don't appreciate it, there are many others who will :thumbsup

Spill the beans...

I worked for a webcam company like this for about a year. They once owed me $7000 for like 6-7 weeks. They usually paid late like every 4th time they paid us and half of the models in my studio would get so upset that I would have to pay them out of pocket, and a lot of them quit. A lot of them still call ME the scammer for getting them to sign up for a shady site. At the time, webcaming was 100% of my income at the time, so being owed $ for over a month was a big fucking deal to me, I wasn't able to pay my billls! I haven't worked there in awhile but I was just contacted by a girl who I know well who is upset because they're not paying HER and the models in her studio. fucking shady.

When I expressed my concerns about this to people at conventions, they all said the same thing. "Oh ___ always pay late, but don't worry, because they always pay." so in other words, it was just accepted in the industry, what a fucking unprofessional joke!

Worst still, the company was based out of some 3rd world country so it's not like I could legally go after them. They had NO model support number, but you could "open a ticket". The only response I ever got out of this, usually 2-3 days later usually, was some bullshit like "dear model, we are sorry this has happened to you. If the problem persists, please contact us and we will investigate further" WTF?!

so what do I think of companies that pay late? I think it's quite obvious.

Drink about 5 beers.. then message them... tell them how you really feel...

they will prolly ban you from their network.

Then message them after a few days say, innocently ask why did you ban me?

And then the checks come in the mail and everything is honky dory.

And life goes on.

Hmmm. worked for me :)


Sabby:)

If your gonna run a webcam studio you dont want to be living check to check.


Sabby:)

I dont work with one site anymore.

And I can pull in $1k myself my cut on a good night. Without the stress of running a studio.


Sabby:)

I know tranny pay and niche castle raised the minimum to $200 for epass option. I didn't get any emails to let me know. Lame.

Simple
 

I am trying to avoid all programs not using verotel or CCbill. And that's the only way. I had so much issues with sites having their own payment system and rules, so I wouldn't never change my mind about this. There is always some program to drop, and this month I will do that with one big (in my niche).

Also, I am well aware of really good sites that I could promote, but I simply won't because I don't need dozen programs with some money on account where is always big question will I be paid and will they change some rule or something.

:1orglaugh That plan sounds like the most fun, but I really wish these standalone programs would just pay their tabs. I'd feel silly drinking $50 worth of beer to chase down a $200 debt, but I am really frustrated by how many of these programs, who go around acting all baller, don't have the wherewithal to pay what seems like reasonably teeny amounts of money. I'm really sick of these deadbeat standalone programs putting me in the role of bill collector, when I should be spending my time webmastering.

me? perhaps you didn't read my entire post. I was owed money for 7 weeks, plus still paying my girls and guys out of pocket, because some of them DID live paycheck to paycheck and the couple hundred dollars they made every week was important to them!
Plus it doesn't matter if I have 0 or a million dollars in the bank, being owed money for 7 weeks when you're supposed to get paid weekly by a webcam company isn't right.

I have never in my life promoted a sponsor :)

Just sayin

I've been thinking about this post and the current slow-paying environment, with all this sponsors acting big at shows and then not paying on time. I think those slow-payers are really ultimately taking business away from MPA3 and NATS.

I run both a CCBill payout program and an Epoch payout program and, although the Epoch runs a stripped down MPA3 for the cascade, both processors cascade and I don't need MPA3 or NATS to have a full-featured affiliate program. I'm pretty sure SpookyCash was the first program to have affiliate-coded RSS, so having MPA3 or NATS would not have helped there. I didn't used to much care what system a program used, but I'm sick and tired of playing bill collector for small amounts, and that means MPA3 and NATS are both big turn-offs now.