back to the topic of health care reform....

Get rid of the "for profit" health insurance companies.

Expand Medicare for all which has a 1% overhead compared to 31% that is currently being subsidized by the taxpayers. Expanding Medicare will also get rid of Medicaid and SCHIP.

The system would not be perfect but at least there would be accountability.

I don't claim it's a theory, I'm just calling it what's it called. And from my research, as posted as well, the theory part about the free market is: "that it will balance out, which I think is proven now that it won't balance out."

Everything else about the free market, is part of the free market, just another part. People buy or not, supply/demand, prices, labor costs, etc all... the 'theory' and problem, is it doesn't balance itself out to stay fair for everyone, which is very clear.

It continues to require the Gov to step in and regulate, because the market can't stay balanced. It was first corporations that through the balance off, the gov didn't regulate something it didn't know about, that isn't logical.

No reason to argue if the Gov stepping in is bad or not, they still stepped in because of what was taking place. One way or the other, it was screwed.

I'm really more interested in getting rid of the pre-existing conditions problem. Not really sure how well your idea would work.

Are you really this stupid? You don't remember what you said an hour or two ago?
And your "research" means dick to everyone on this forum seeing as how you NEVER back up any of your hilarious bullshit. But please, humor the rest of us. I'm sure we'd like to know how you've tested an untestable theory.

No, it's not very clear. Here you go again embarrassing yourself with passing off stupid assertions as facts.

Ahhh when failing miserably, just make shit up and hope people take you seriously. Yet another Epic Fail by thedoc.

Which made up thing in your head do I need to remember from two hours ago? What part of my view of the free market did you not get?

Anyway, even Wiki calls it a theory, "...which according to free market theory causes markets to be less efficient." And Google returns 324k results with the phrase 'free market theory'

Just because you haven't heard of it... doesn't mean it isn't talked about.

Typical spew from trolls.

Translation: I just got my ass handed to me because I'm too stupid to remember what I said an hour or two ago so I'm going to try to play it off and redirect the conversation in hopes that people don't think i'm a total moron who never knows what he's talking about.

Pre-existing conditions is a complicated issue with the current state and the proposed state of health care reform.

Medicare for all would take care of pre-existing conditions.

Clarify how we would keep the costs down with your idea.

Yup and being the smart capitalist I am, I will refuse to buy health insurance for my family and pay the 2% fine, errrrm tax, then when someone gets sick in my family I let you pay for it by having them get on medicare. That should work out great! :thumbsup

Hahaha good observation.

Typical spew, again from you... how pathetic.

Yea I think I speak for everyone when I say you're done. There's a reason you're being ignored by everyone besides for me. It's the same reason for BFT3K, although he knows when to quit while he's behind. You make making a fool out of yourself, an art.

Or.... you're the only one that thought you needed to respond... being that I didn't really say anything that required a response, other than from trolls.

owned again

Man, this is truly pathetic... at least try to add to the topic or shut up. If you really have nothing to add, stop posting.

You're like a little brat kid, you just harass anyone you don't agree with. I would highly recommend you end it.

What's the matter doc? I verbally rape you and you resort to repeating my insults back to me? That's so cute. Now do everybody a favor and stop posting, nobody here includes you in boy boy conversations anyway.

When I say pathetic, it's in reference to you again doing this shit. You do it all the time, to many people... all the damn time.

People want to keep on the topics at hand, at least on some topic. Nobody, wants to sit around and listen to you or me/others, spew shit, over and over, on how you owned them, won something, or some how beat them.

Nobody cares about your replies to me, other than YOU!

What we do care about is you can't stop from the ongoing-continual harassment of people on just about every political thread.


Truly, if I have to listen/watch you go after someone again, with this same repeating garbage, I think I may puke all over my keyboard.

In the current state of the way the current health system works, pre-existing conditions a health insurance company can refuse you.

Obama's health care reform also has a lot of hole with pre-existing conditions. The burden of the health insurance companies to comply and accept a person with a pre-condition fucks up their bottom line...money.


"Medicare for all" would solve a lot of problems and will leave holes that would need to be batched state by state. The 35% overhead the tax payers pick up currently would be reduce to 1.5%.

The math is clear even if we pick up 10 percent of the cost it would still be less than the current system.


What is your solution BTW?

Hey you're still posting, good for you:) I think we've established that you're the dumbest person on this forum and as the dumbest person, your posts will be treated as humor.

I believe the Republicans suggestion to scale it down and take it one step at a time is a better method. We can't afford muuch of anything right now, and I don't see how it's only 10% of the current system, but I'm not doing the math. The hard fact is that there can't be a legitimate restructuring of the health care system at ALL until we have stopped the astronomical deficit spending and started producing again.

Another useless comment... thanks for overly proving my point.


Be happy that people like me and others, support a socialist health care type system. Even though it would be better to rid you from the gene pool, and probably cheaper, I do support you having a chance at some mental help first. And I'm willing to do my part and pay for that help, for those that need it.

I don't mind helping my fellow Americans when they're need, I don't have to wait around and do nothing, I can pay for your help now if you like.

Noboby cares Doc, keep embarrassing yourself.

Exactly....

I do care though, millions of Americans care. It's why it's such a hot topic, we should do something now so our people can be healthy enough to rebuild our Country.

... people need help sooner than later, and I'm truly willing to pay for your help. It's not hard to see you have real mental health issues that need to be addressed. If we wait around for the Republicans to do something you could truly breakdown years before and nobody wants that. Hit me up when you're ready, my icq is below!

I'm curious. How free of a market do you want? Are we talking a market with zero regulation where anything goes? Or are we talking about a free market that has smart regulation? Of course, we have neither of these right now, just curious about your thought.

I think your bot is broken. You regurgitate the taking points in such a rapid fire, bullet point style that you fail to provide even the illusion that you might be trying to make an honest point. :2 cents:

In his defense I have read and heard from several different sources that tort reform as the republicans want it would only lower costs by around 2%.

That said the one thing it might do is speed things up. If there are fewer people getting tests that they don't need it will open those machines up for those that do need them.

Exactly, and why aren't the dems even considering this?

They need to scrap the bill and work on something that both can agree on, gop and dems. The idea that the dems might bypass the GOP on this with a trick vote pisses me off. A lot of these dems will be looking for work soon, but they will still get a income from the US

The fact is we are in a crazy spiral in deficit. I have notice that both parties haven't even said anything about the deficit. Nonetheless, making Medicare for all would bring down the deficit(too many links to source). The transition to Medicare "for all" would require America to pull out of all wars. Stop donating money and start allocating money to states in crisis. Trim down government starting from the top all the way down to the local level. The is no need for "Homeland Security", the FBI and other agencies have always kept us safe.

NASA??? I think we can scale down on NASA. Galileo Galilei did a lot just by observing the cosmos.

I think America should enter a time of isolation. Tax the shit out of foreign products and make it lucrative for companies to open up shop in America.

There is a lot of shit that can bring down the deficit but Medicare would not add to it.

I am not sure what side you fall on but neither party are for us. To me it is as plain as day, the big corporation buy politicians and offer them the American dream with a lucrative job.

The rest of us don't have that luxury.

Anyway, wrap your brain around this memo.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/6674234/Ci...-Report-Part-1
http://www.scribd.com/doc/6674229/Ci...-Report-Part-2

This memo is for the extremely wealthy....