USA - Number 37 in Healthcare - Yeahhhhh!

[BFT3K]

Awesome!...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVgOl3cETb4

[96ukssob]

hell yea!

no wonder why our system sucks... i have insurance with blue cross and still fighting with them for over 6 months now to pay for blood work. they claim they wont pay for it now because the place has added "fees" and its higher then the original amount

[BFT3K]

hell yea!

no wonder why our system sucks... i have insurance with blue cross and still fighting with them for over 6 months now to pay for blood work. they claim they wont pay for it now because the place has added "fees" and its higher then the original amount

And yet the Republitards continue to fight for the insurance companies - and against the good of the people.

Actually it's not just the GOP - there are quite a few asswipe Democraps doing the same thing, just more Republitards.

It is fucking sad....

[BFT3K]

A very interesting article, in advance of Thursday's summit...

http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/thega...h-problem.aspx

[seeandsee]

good number :D

[marcop]

#37 with a bullet.

[The Demon]

LOL@ the good of the people. The majority of American citizens oppose Obamacare. Still out of touch with reality I see?

[The Demon]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/lif...cle7039285.ece

[IllTestYourGirls]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/lif...cle7039285.ece

Governments never cook books to prove how awesome they are

[The Demon]

Governments never cook books to prove how awesome they are

Yea, you just proved my point rofl

[BFT3K]

lol@ the good of the people. The majority of american citizens oppose obamacare. Still out of touch with reality i see?

Fuck You Douche Bag!

Just because the gop and fox noise continue to repeat lies, does not make it so!

Guess who won the election, running heavily on Health Care Reform?!

That's what the majority of American people want, you fucking totally retarded douche bag!

[IllTestYourGirls]

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...th_care_reform

Voters still strongly oppose the health care reform plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats and think Congress should focus instead on smaller bills that address problems individually rather than a comprehensive plan.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Yea, you just proved my point rofl

Im agreeing with you

[BFT3K]

Im agreeing with you

Another genius, proud to be ranked 37th!

[IllTestYourGirls]

Another genius, proud to be ranked 37th!

Said who? There needs to be reform, but Obamas reform is not the way to go.

[BFT3K]

Said who? There needs to be reform, but Obamas reform is not the way to go.

There is one big difference - Obama is trying to pass healthcare reform, the right pretends it is important, but does NOTHING but say NO NO NO.

They GOP is OWNED by the insurance companies, plain and fucking simple!

[IllTestYourGirls]

There is one big difference - Obama is trying to pass healthcare reform, the right pretends it is important, but does NOTHING but say NO NO NO.

They GOP is OWNED by the insurance companies, plain and fucking simple!

Both sides are owned by the insurance companies and big pharm. Obama's plan would RAISE premiums. Who do you think that would benefit?


Where as according to the CBO the republican plan would lower premiums.




Besides the republicans are doing what their constituents want them to do, say no to Obama's and the dems plan.

And remember the bill needs ZERO votes from the republicans to pass... So what are the dems waiting for?

[BFT3K]

Both sides are owned by the insurance companies and big pharm. Obama's plan would RAISE premiums. Who do you think that would benefit?


Where as according to the CBO the republican plan would lower premiums.




Besides the republicans are doing what their constituents want them to do, say no to Obama's and the dems plan.

The Republicans DO NOT HAVE A PLAN! Face it!

They had a plan to give tax breaks for the rich though, and they did so TWICE under BUSH. Both times under reconciliation, costing us very close to a trillion dollars! Where were you then?!

Obama's plan will cost about the same over 10 years, in an effort to make healthcare more affordable for the regular people, and you guys think it's the end of the world!

Face it - you guys don't want Obama it succeed, at the peril of the AMERICAN people. And you guys call him a commy and a socialist. You are the people who are traitors. You are the ones supporting corp interests over the interests of the people.

[IllTestYourGirls]

So I guess the question is why do the Dems want to raise premiums and raise our debt and raise our budget gaps?

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/op...-69270747.html

The Congressional Budget Office Wednesday night released its cost analysis of the Republican health care plan and found that it would reduce health care premiums and cut the deficit by $68 billion over ten years.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/op...#ixzz0gVoK1THN

What do you like so much about the Dem plan that you are willing to raise premiums and our debt?

[BFT3K]

So I guess the question is why do the Dems want to raise premiums and raise our debt and raise our budget gaps?

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/op...-69270747.html

What do you like so much about the Dem plan that you are willing to raise premiums and our debt?

Almost every debt increase in the past decade has been during Republican administrations.

It's just another ridiculous lie that the right repeats over and over, hoping idiot sheep believe it to be true.

The middle class is not disappearing because of the Democrats.

I've played the fruitless "here read these stats" "here look at this link" bullshit on this board too many times. I won't read your crap, and you won't read mine.

I live in the real world. If you think things are getting better, and somehow got ANY better under Bush (as just one example), then we really just need to agree to disagree.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Almost every debt increase in the past decade has been during Republican administrations.

It's just another ridiculous lie that the right repeats over and over, hoping idiot sheep believe it to be true.

So the CBO is lying? What do you like about the dems plan?

[BFT3K]

So I guess the question is why do the Dems want to raise premiums and raise our debt and raise our budget gaps?

I guess that's one way to ignore facts and cherry pick whatever agenda you care to push.

Your question doesn't even make one stitch of sense. The insurance companies are increasing your premiums in double digits, every fucking year, year after year, without any checks or balances whatsoever. Pleeeease!

[IllTestYourGirls]

I guess that's one way to ignore facts and cherry pick whatever agenda you care to push.

Your question doesn't even make one stitch of sense. The insurance companies are increasing your premiums in double digits, every fucking year, year after year, without any checks or balances whatsoever. Pleeeease!

Im not cherry picking lol. Im just saying what the independent CBO has said about the plans.

The CBO has said that Obamas plan would raise the premiums EVEN MORE than they are being raised now. And the republican plan would LOWER premiums.

You have yet to say what you like about the Obama plan so much.

[BFT3K]

So the CBO is lying? What do you like about the dems plan?

When Obama spends 6 hours tomorrow, explaining the healthcare plan in detail, he will be referencing the CBO over and over.

When you, and fox, and talk radio, and whatever right wing loonies are out there recap the summit, you will hear about how the CBO numbers are either wrong, or do not provide enough info to go on.

Like fucking retarded children the GOP will take a tantrum, and keep spewing lies.

I remember when the war in Iraq was about WMDs, will last around 6 days, and MAYBE cost $2 billion dollars on the high side.

I remember how trickle down economics are "supposed to help the poor people" too many times to EVER buy into your side's crap ever again!

[The Demon]

Both sides are owned by the insurance companies and big pharm. Obama's plan would RAISE premiums. Who do you think that would benefit?


Where as according to the CBO the republican plan would lower premiums.




Besides the republicans are doing what their constituents want them to do, say no to Obama's and the dems plan.

And remember the bill needs ZERO votes from the republicans to pass... So what are the dems waiting for?

You make sense and therefore, will confuse a guy who has no clue what he's talking about..Ever.

[The Demon]

Fuck You Douche Bag!

Just because the gop and fox noise continue to repeat lies, does not make it so!

Guess who won the election, running heavily on Health Care Reform?!

That's what the majority of American people want, you fucking totally retarded douche bag!

Yup. And Obama now has the lowest approval ratings in history. Logic 1, BFT3K 0.

[IllTestYourGirls]

When you, and fox, and talk radio, and whatever right wing loonies are out there recap the summit, you will hear about how the CBO numbers are either wrong, or do not provide enough info to go on.

Should they be voting on a bill that there is not enough info on?

[The Demon]

Almost every debt increase in the past decade has been during Republican administrations.

It's just another ridiculous lie that the right repeats over and over, hoping idiot sheep believe it to be true.

The middle class is not disappearing because of the Democrats.

I've played the fruitless "here read these stats" "here look at this link" bullshit on this board too many times. I won't read your crap, and you won't read mine.

I live in the real world. If you think things are getting better, and somehow got ANY better under Bush (as just one example), then we really just need to agree to disagree.

Yea, you live in the real world according to BFT3K. A world where you lack any kind of evidence for your hilarious bullshit. Keep making the left look retarded.

[BFT3K]

Im not cherry picking lol. Im just saying what the independent CBO has said about the plans.

The CBO has said that Obamas plan would raise the premiums EVEN MORE than they are being raised now. And the republican plan would LOWER premiums.

You have yet to say what you like about the Obama plan so much.

Once again, THERE IS NO REPUBLICAN PLAN!

They don't give a shit about you unless you are rich. If you are defending them, and you are not rich, then you are a brainwashed moron.

If you are rich, then I apologize, and accept that you are defending your own self concerned interests.

[MarcFromTheDarc]

omg i cant stand this shat.

[The Demon]

HAHAHA gotta love the unsupported assumptions from a blabbering leftist idiot.

[BFT3K]

Yup. And Obama now has the lowest approval ratings in history. Logic 1, BFT3K 0.

The world is flat. People can breathe water. Fish speak latin.

See? I can spew lies too!

Doesn't make them real however, but I forget you are insane, and clearly cannot separate fantasy from reality.

[The Demon]

The world is flat. People can breathe water. Fish speak latin.

See? I can spew lies too!

Doesn't make them real however, but I forget you are insane, and clearly cannot separate fantasy from reality.

Sorry, I've already said this to you. But please, continue looking stupid by repeating me

[BFT3K]

Sorry, I've already said this to you. But please, continue looking stupid by repeating me

I've never said anything like this to anyone else on this board, but you truly are one of the dumbest people I have EVER run across.

[The Demon]

I've never said anything like this to anyone else on this board, but you truly are one of the dumbest people I have EVER run across.

I've also said this to you many many times and you're proving it with each post. Continue

[BFT3K]

I've also said this to you many many times and you're proving it with each post. Continue

You take the act of "annoying people" to a truly mind boggling level.

I imagine you get punched out quite a bit in your life.

[The Demon]

You take the act of "annoying people" to a truly mind boggling level.

I imagine you get punched out quite a bit in your life.

Uhuh. Someone might want to stop the retard before he hurts himself.

[BFT3K]

Uhuh. Someone might want to stop the retard before he hurts himself.

I am certain you did not want to phrase that as you did, but if you read it over a few times, you can see why I am laughing!

(at you, not with you of course)

[aniloscash]

37 and dropping fast

[EscortBiz]

there is no way any health plan will work as far as lowering cost as long as we do not address the issue of health insurance fraud.

go to almost any doctor today for anything and he will have you do one or several of the following

take a sleep study - insurance pays 5000- 7000 dollars doctor gets 2000 kicked back

take an mri - 1000-4000 doctor gets about 20%

get a ct-scan done (ct scan is different than a MRI)- 1000+ doctor gets 20%

get you on some sort of pill cycle (usually expensive pills, depression, pain etc) doctor gets all types of returns if he pushes certain pills

I GUARANTEE YOU if you go to a doctor tomorrow someone you do not have a long history with, and you say you have any sort of minor problem, he will dish out one of the above

then you have the lawyers who cook up these crazy lawsuits, and in turn the doctors have to spend huge amounts of money on malpractice insurance and in turn they bill you more.

its important to understand why insurance is so expensive and why doctors just cant focus on their work, its hard to focus if you are scared all day and night about a upcoming lawsuit or you are meeting with insurance investigators all day.

I dont know a solution, but my point is that one first has to understand what is causing the problem

[Joshua G]

Mr Demon you would represent the right wing much better if you would refrain from hostile childish attacks on peoples ideas that you don't agree with. Unless of course, the right wing really is no better than what you bring to the table here at the GFY.

[kane]

Im not cherry picking lol. Im just saying what the independent CBO has said about the plans.

The CBO has said that Obamas plan would raise the premiums EVEN MORE than they are being raised now. And the republican plan would LOWER premiums.

You have yet to say what you like about the Obama plan so much.

Here is the difference. The GOP plan would only increase the number of insured by around 3 million. That still leaves 28 million without coverage. The democrat plan would cover almost all of the 31 million uninsured. So comparing the plans is not all that fair. It is like saying you spend less on groceries buying for a family of 2 than someone who buys for a family of 20.

[BFT3K]

there is no way any health plan will work as far as lowering cost as long as we do not address the issue of health insurance fraud.

go to almost any doctor today for anything and he will have you do one or several of the following

take a sleep study - insurance pays 5000- 7000 dollars doctor gets 2000 kicked back

take an mri - 1000-4000 doctor gets about 20%

get a ct-scan done (ct scan is different than a MRI)- 1000+ doctor gets 20%

get you on some sort of pill cycle (usually expensive pills, depression, pain etc) doctor gets all types of returns if he pushes certain pills

I GUARANTEE YOU if you go to a doctor tomorrow someone you do not have a long history with, and you say you have any sort of minor problem, he will dish out one of the above

then you have the lawyers who cook up these crazy lawsuits, and in turn the doctors have to spend huge amounts of money on malpractice insurance and in turn they bill you more.

its important to understand why insurance is so expensive and why doctors just cant focus on their work, its hard to focus if you are scared all day and night about a upcoming lawsuit or you are meeting with insurance investigators all day.

I dont know a solution, but my point is that one first has to understand what is causing the problem

I agree that some level of tort reform is needed, but that alone will not fix the problem.

The reason a bill like this is so big is because all aspects of the bill must work in sync.

You can't expect insurance companies to cover everyone with pre-existing conditions unless they can afford it. That's why health care will be compulsory under Obama's plan, as a tit-for-tat tradeoff.

You cannot piece meal healthcare reform.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Here is the difference. The GOP plan would only increase the number of insured by around 3 million. That still leaves 28 million without coverage. The democrat plan would cover almost all of the 31 million uninsured. So comparing the plans is not all that fair. It is like saying you spend less on groceries buying for a family of 2 than someone who buys for a family of 20.

The CBO says the dem plan would only cover 2% of the uninsured.

[BFT3K]

The CBO says the dem plan would only cover 2% of the uninsured.

Tomorrow Obama will quote CBO numbers over and over, SUPPORTING his plan.

Come back then, to tell us all how the CBO numbers are meaningless.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Tomorrow Obama will quote CBO numbers over and over, SUPPORTING his plan.

Come back then, to tell us all how the CBO numbers are meaningless.

What do you like about the dem plan?

[kane]

The CBO says the dem plan would only cover 2% of the uninsured.

This is directly from the article you linked above:

"The CBO found that under the Republican plan, insurance coverage would increase by about 3 million and that the percentage of insured non-elderly adults would remain at about 83 percent after ten years. The House bill would increase coverage to an additional 36 million people, raising the number of insured to 96 percent."

I'm no expert, but that seems to me like the house plan (meaning the democrats) insures about 12 times as many people and cover 96% of the people in the country.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Tomorrow Obama will quote CBO numbers over and over, SUPPORTING his plan.

Come back then, to tell us all how the CBO numbers are meaningless.

That would be amazing because the CBO has not yet scored his plan.

[BFT3K]

What do you like about the dem plan?

One of the things I like is that health insurance, like car insurance, will be mandatory.

This change is imperative in order to afford care for those who have pre-existing conditions, and it will cut back on bankruptcies.

[Joshua G]

its really pointless to discuss CBO numbers to make an idea. their numbers are historically wildly inaccurate due to unexpected events & subsequent changes in administrations/public policies.