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With what you said... I have faith that something(s) created everything, I can see life around me. In the simplest of ideas, I don't have to know my parents to know they created me. With that, the father doesn't always know he created children.
So faith to me isn't just the idea of a creator/giver of life - even without science I can see it.. but a higher power pulling all the strings, watching, waiting for us to screw up or not, to judge us, basically the ideas of Christianity.
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Let's make this simple for everyone. Around 2000 years ago we had a group of people that got together to make a story of how we all got here (for control purposes). There were certain people within that group that said "Hey lets make up a story which makes us look good" so what you get is the bible and eventually other modern day religions. "Fairy tales" which for the most part are all made up and passed down generation through generation for at least 6500 years is what we have now. When the reality is it's similar but much different.Last edited by onwebcam; 02-26-2010, 01:13 AM.PLEASE WAIT WHILE BIDEN ADMIN UNINSTALLS ITSELF.....
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FYI I'm not going to pretend that I "know" how we all got here but I will say for a FACT that damn near "everyone" who is preaching "any" sort of modern day religion knows they are a "fraud". Including but not limited to Al Gore.Last edited by onwebcam; 02-26-2010, 01:31 AM.PLEASE WAIT WHILE BIDEN ADMIN UNINSTALLS ITSELF.....
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No, I don't.
Yes, which is why the two words, hypothesis and theory, have different meanings.Yes, and as I said those hypothesis' are either believed in or not. As in taken on faith. Really, if you don't have faith in your hypothesis what's the point?
And these would be hypotheses, no?There's plenty beliefs on the scientific side of the argument that offer nothing physically testable or provable either. Go back in time far enough in the evolution of the world and the universe and at some point it all becomes speculation.
I'll agree that religious people can do good science, if you want to call that commonality. But at the core, the methods for acquiring knowledge are quite different.You're focused on the differences, while I am merely pointing out the what the two sides have in common. Both sides rely on a modicum of faith to complete the puzzle, not just one. In fact some people put so much faith in science and all it's theories that it becomes as much of a religion as religion is.Comment
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I wasn't trying to offend you.
Yes, you were using the word theory here in the colloquial sense and that is not how it is used in scientific circles. I was curious if there was any data that you were aware of to support the "theory". It looks more like it is not actually a theory.Comment
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Well, I personally find that religious people on the one hand are more as you describe (ie; unshakeable and secure in a mindset and confident they are on the right path) while non-religious people are more open minded and willing to change their mind and follow the evidence where it leads.Comment
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Depending on what you really mean, I don't know if "for control purposes" is the right way to look at it.
It appears to me that religion was our first attempt at organizing society, before we had institutions of law, government, etc.
It may have been evolutionarily advantageous, like our sweet tooth. Perhaps more beneficial in the past than the present.Comment
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Read Richard Dawkins "The Greatest Show on Earth"
He addresses this exact idea and explains that we are not able to do it at the moment, but that does not automatically preclude us from ever doing it.
Occam's argument:
When competing hypotheses are equal in other respects, the principle recommends selection of the hypothesis that introduces the fewest assumptions and postulates the fewest entities while still sufficiently answering the question. It is in this sense that Occam's razor is usually understood.
Just because one argument is not proven, it does not automatically entitle, or prove, the opposing argument.
In other words, if we cannot do it now, does not mean it cannot be done, or didn't happen.Comment
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Another good book is "God is Not Great" by Christopher Hitchens. Dawkins doens't go about bashing God - he just sticks to evolution, which is fascinating if you read his books. Hitchens goes to war with ALL religions, and he has studied them so it's a very interesting read.Comment
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What if it were still in practice today?
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i didn't read it. Didn't think I had to in order to answer your question.
I'm off for the night so I'll read it tomorrow.Comment
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Some of us are religious because of an experience. In my mind there is no question that there is some form of existance after we die, whether its a god, heaven or whatever it is I have no idea but i know there is something. Unfortunately there are a lot of religious nutjobs out there who use religion as an excuse for being a nutjob.. and unfortunately we all seem to get painted with the same brush.IW
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It's pretty accurate. Nearly all the biblical stories have antecedents from previous religions. The flood, Jonah and the Whale, on and on and on, nearly identical stories appropriated by the christian religion for it's own use. The bible was also 'created' by Pope Damascus by choosing which of the hundreds of texts purporting to Christian theology were divinely inspired. Last but not least, Christ was far from the only 'savior' floating around during his lifetime, there were hundreds of them, some more successful than others. He's just the one who won the lottery by having the very effective Paul as a disciple. Paul is far more responsible than any other figure for Xtianity having the position it has today.Comment
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I would rather take a guess based on what we do know rather than assume life came from a man in the sky with a magic wand.Yeast:
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if you START with life, you'll get life.
my point is that as we sit here, we can not recreate the origin of our being.if we know there was a time on earth where there was no life, something, as of yet, unexplained created usComment
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I'll type more slowly this time: These stories existed BEFORE Christianity, and BEFORE Judaism. Do you understand that very simple statement now?Comment
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You are conflating religion with government using a weak analogy and then ask me a misleading question by only using the word religion. As best I can tell, I think your point is a non-sequitur.
This is not to say that there should not be any dissent and clearly we (USA) have dissent, including those who break the law as a form. We also have processes for this and it is ingrained in our founding documents.
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You might think it's weak but it's strong enough to fool most amd it's very real. As far as the founding documents you mentioned
"But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution, the Constitution, it is true, is a compact but he is not a party to it."
Padelford, Fay & Co. vs. The Mayor and Aldermen of the City of Savannah
Hmm so the Constituution isn't for us? Then who or what is it for? I know, do you? Just another part of the con.Last edited by onwebcam; 02-28-2010, 10:17 AM.PLEASE WAIT WHILE BIDEN ADMIN UNINSTALLS ITSELF.....
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ROFL, what the fuck is that suppose to mean ?
You serious think and magical being created life, something that some guy create 1000 years ago. Religions and gods are a dime and dozen. The clear answer is that its complete crap!
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What do you want enlightenment on? The fact that our judicial system is a scam? The fact that you and I aren't a party to the constitution? What? You said yourself and what started our little debate that before we had what is known as our government and judicial system we had forms of "control" your term "organized society" such as the Old Testament. Well I provided 1 clue as to where and how how judicial system came to be. Which is basicly what you said in the first place. So technically there really is no argument to be had. Only I see it as a religion because it very much is. There are other sources from which our judicial system was developed but as a whole it's not what the general population perceives it to be. It is a monumental fraud.
Besides even if you and I were a party to the Constitution it doesn't really even matter and hasn't since at least 1933. Why? Because Roosevelt signed the War Powers Act of 1933 where the US fell under military rule and all the people were declared enemies of the STATE.Last edited by onwebcam; 02-28-2010, 12:07 PM.PLEASE WAIT WHILE BIDEN ADMIN UNINSTALLS ITSELF.....
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