GAMEFINEST

who cares..

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Pink Visual just started a massive ball rolling! Their will be more than a few companies paying close attention to this one!

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SleazyDream

proof is they are choosing what goes up. They don't post all uploads. You have to post all to get blanket protection. The second you start choosing - you know what's on the site - you know it's not legit.

why am I replying to an idiot.....

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idiot. I don't say that lightly here on this moron.

the majority of the people who work in adult care - backing one side or the other.


Please leave GFY - you don't work or have any stake in online adult.

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Desirae

lol I agree totally. It is nice to read that people are speaking the truth about tube sites.

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who is still supporting them they have some great promos going on right now I guess to cover their legal fees

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xxxjay

Sleazy nailed it right on the head there.

Lawyers have told me the same thing.

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Sunny Leone

They stole my content as well and the 3 videos I found have been downloaded about 1million times. That would have been a lot more money in my pocket from my movies. What they are doing is so wrong. I hope there company burns.

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Sunny Leone

I agree...but they let anyone join this site now, even people who are not in the industry. What are you gonna do?

I care and have lost a lot of money to these types of crooks.

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Agent 488

so youtube isn't covered by dmca because they don't allow uploads of cp and murder videos?

sorry man you need some new lawyers.

Porno Dan

I hear talent defending Brazzers, because they hire them.

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Doctor Feelgood

good, now its time to also sue the surfers

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Half man, Half Amazing

That's cuz "talent" (and I using that term to discuss some adult performers is painful to me), is stupid and can't see past 12" from their face. These aren't "big picture" folks. These are girls that will let dudes piss on their face for $100, not exactly the brightest people.

Rangermoore

This should be fun to watch... All Brazzers has to do if they lose is just declare bankruptcy then come back under a different name.. and then the whole process starts all over again.. No money will ever be paid in any lawsuit..and tube sites will just get bigger...

Bossman

You might want to check up on bankruptcy law, before thinking its an easy way out - or just search GFY for other companies that have lost in count and couldn´t pay

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kane

I don't think it is that easy. If Brazzers doesn't pay and tried to declare bankruptcy then, in theory, Pink Visual could take control of the tube domain names and shut the sites down, or redirect them or do whatever they wanted with them. Sure, eventually the company could come back under a different name and start again, but they would pretty much be starting from scratch.

There is a big difference between losing a case and having a judgment against you and trying to get out of it and just screwing over a bunch of webmasters and disappearing.

Pixelbucks Eric

lol what? I know of NOBODY who is still using Napster

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This is the snowflake on the iceberg for Brazzers.

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gideongallery

so the only way to be protected by the dmca is to let kiddie porn to be published

you tube doesn't allow adult content, just because you have rules that have to be followed and offending content is removed doesn't invalidate the safe harbor moron

the ability to tell the difference between adult and non adult (see naughty bits = get removed) can be screened by 5/day employee, even viacomm 200/hour lawyers mistakenly sent takedown notices for fair use postings.

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Bossman

Well - you need to understand that this is the "world wide" web, and that not all countries have the same relaxed rules as the US.

Ex. 1 month ago in Denmark there was a community website (Connery.dk) which was fined for 20 erotic still pictures uploaded by their users. Also in Italy 3 Google bosses were found guilty in breaking privacy violations by not removing a video of an autistic teenager being bullied.

I understand you like the concept of being able to share whatever you want, however when "college kids" started to build major money making businesses with piracy at their core, then they opened Pandora's box. You think western politicians will just stand by and watch their cultural exports erode, because some young college kid think he outsmarted the laws

Politicians make laws, and they change them all the time... or as the Codex Holmiensis starts:

"With law shall land be built, but if all men would keep what is theirs, and let others enjoy the same rights, there would be no need of law".

Justice is the concept of rightness - you fuck with enough people, and you will be served.

Private lawsuits, ACTA etc. is just the beginning

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gideongallery

the courts override bad laws all the times, the courts establish exceptions for fair use all the time.
and so far no fair use has been over ridden by new laws.
sure sometimes new laws are snuck by the lawmakers with a clause that can be abused to take way fair use rights, but when that happens those laws are repealed or invalidated by the courts.

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xxxjay

you rae an idiot...go back to hell

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gideongallery

btw privacy laws are designed to be a censorship tool, they are designed to prevent the offending content from being released.

copyright laws are designed to ONLY protect the income generating ability of cede content.

So using a privacy ruling to justify the position that copyright laws will change so much that they will exceed their original mandate is an ass backwards arguement.


says the guy who hires a lawyer so stupd that he believes that the only way you tube could be protected by the DMCA is if they let everything including snuff and cp on their site.

And
so stupid he doesn't realize how totally clueless such a declaration is.

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Bossman

You are missing my point about this being dealt "world wide" with. Thats why I called this Pandora's box - every pirate out there will not be able to predict what politicians around the world will unleash at them. Just think Pirate Bay and how they taunted the world, only to get ass raped by their local justice system (yes, they appealed, but it doesn´t change the fact that they lost, and are now blocked in several countries).

The legal systems around the world are not founded on the same principles. I have no idea why US politicians are letting their local entertainment industries fend for themselves, but in Europe where goverment is heavily involved in entertainment industries, then you can be sure that Politicians will be looking out for their "investments".

And yes, politicians do change law until the law live up to their intentions. Just ask the medicial or gambling industries how it is to get special attention from politicians. Now ask the pirate industry in the next 1-3 years.

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so your pointing to a case where they got convicted of contributing to copyright infringement (new criminal offence) where the police failed to that a single bit of data flowed thru servers (because dht was turned on and the protocol does local peer discovery first).

the odds that this will survive appeal given how fundamentally flawed the investigation was is slim to none.

moving to trackerless torrents will make the entire new crime completely useless.

you can't criminalize what they are doing without destroying fundamental principles of the legal system that protect every day people from railroaded in other criminal procecutions.

Which is the point i have repeatedly made the courts basically rain in the bad laws that politicans create.

access shifting has been established in EU, it still has not been established in US.

the fact is MPAA and clueless copyright holders are doing the same thing again, only the moronic and corrupt politicians are falling for it.

The anti-circumvention part of the DMCA has been used take away people right to rip moves they OWN to media vaults on their home machines, and the politicians who defended that part of the law are finding themselves targeted with ads that attack that support.

Politicians are afraid to make the same mistake again, especially when you consider that the fair use economy that is being attacked over reaching laws generated 16 dollars for every "lost" by the entertainment industry.

a lot more people would have lost their jobs if the laws had changed to make the vcr illegal then would have been lost by the entertainment industry if they were actually right about how bad the problem was, the fact that they were so totally wrong and the new medium once enbraced
made the industry more money then every other revenue source combined

And as someone who teaches people the tricks of the trade to properly exploit the new medium, i know that movie industry will easily make 2-3 times their current revenues from the new medium.

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Bossman

I will try one last time to make my point clear.

Politicians will change copyright laws until they work as the politicians intented, and their intention is not to save some multi million dollar pirate business, but to protect the copyright holder.

Its a war - it will be fought with whatever it takes

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and your not getting it
NO THEY WONT

every technological shift that has radically expanded the income capacity was CALLED piracy

the printing press
cable television
vcr
mp3
cd/dvd burners

and now torrents

politicians can't create the laws you want them too, because the only way to stop torrents is to make laws so draconian that the general public will revolt against them.

the very people the politicians are counting on to re-elect them are the very people would vote against them for supporting those draconion bills



you may want to claim that they are just free loader but i suspect that a large portion of those voters are actually voting the party because they don't like the fact that the pirate bay got convicted of facilating copyright infringement without any proof what so ever that they were involved in the transaction (because the idiot cops turned on DHT and use a client that would do local peer discovery first).

either way, a politician who voted for that stupid bill lost his job.

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andrej_NDC

They will protect anyone who pays them more. Its big companies who do the laws, not politicians. Lobbing is bribery made legal.

Bossman

Politicians don´t give a shit about minorities - in europe most of these angry "teens" would voted for socialists anyway, so they are not a big loss. Once they get older and actual have to work for a living, then their view changes/modifies, since they figure out that compromises get things done.

In Europe politicians are working on attacking both supply and demand at the same time by both blocking internet access and sueing for damages. Its only going slow, because the EU has not harmonized the IP (intellectual property) area.

However with ACTA it will (and even if ACTA fails, then there will be a push for EUs own version). The 3 strikes rule target at surfers (demand), and blocking of entire businesses urls (supply). The french already have the 3 strike rule, and it ment less P2P traffic, but more downloading from illegal sites hosting the files (ex. rapidshare etc.). In other EU countries they have blocked sites (ex. Piratebay, AllofMP3 etc.) at the ISP level. At some point (ex. with ACTA) they will connect these sanctions, and it will be open season on pirates.

There is no way that western politicians will abandoned intellectual property - its one of the core function the state sells to the market, a basis for tax revenue, and product safety. Some college kid or business with piracy at their core will never be able to make up for that in "creativity" (which in reality doesn´t mean creativity, but their need to mass consume the latest entertainment garbage like everyone else).

Start reading what the people who are working on ACTA are thinking, and not those college kid blogsheads whining about ACTA.

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lazerbunny

Ummm, you forgot about boats.
and the only reason any of those items were ever refered to as "piract"
was when people use them to steal copywritten content , for instance..
or in the case of a BOAT .. the jewels hidden behind the captains locked door.
Its not rocket science... technology doesnt really have much to do with it.
Thievery does, and people who want to steal will always figure out new and unique ways
to pirate. items are not pirates, technology is not piracy
the act of being a thief is in itself the piracy.
So, politicians are intellectual pirates.. some of the time.
Some of the time they are just riding the language between
right and wrong, only one word away from changing the entire meaning of what they are saying.. which is not illegal.
Stealing however, in most places in the world
IS ILLEGAL.
excpet for the place that people go to steal,
the internet.
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the printing press
cable television
vcr
mp3
cd/dvd burners

and now torrents

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stocktrader23

Did YouTube win the lawsuit?

Yes.

Also, no the content did not 'disappear'. Some did but there has been stolen shit on YouTube for as long as any of us remember YouTube.

stocktrader23

That is absolutely incorrect. As a site owner (host) you can decide what content you want to allow or disallow on your site. This is a completely separate issue and has fuck all to do with whether or not the person posting it has the right to post it. It is not your responsibility to verify this under the current law.

stocktrader23

Your lawyers want you to sue so they make money. I'm not familiar with these sites but I am assuming that anyone can submit and they can approve or disapprove each video? If this is the case then that is not going to be enough to make them liable. Someone is going to have to show proof that they are uploading stolen content themselves which I doubt is possible unless the owners are retarded.

stocktrader23

Thank you. Once again everyone on GFY is letting their emotions cloud their judgement. Filtering what content you allow on your site (or host) has not a fucking thing to do with copyright laws.

Odin

Whilst you are partly right, this is still a very debated aspect to the DMCA. The Youtube case particularly though, leans to say that (in Youtube's case with adult content) that staff can actively monitor certain types of content, and still not be liable for copyright works they don't necessarily remove. However there are a lot of terms in the DMCA around this issue that are open to a lot of interpretation, and as you say a lot of money for lawyers to argue back and forth.

Generally speaking, staff having specific knowledge (one of those debatable terms) of infringing content and not removing it (even without a take-down notice) puts the site outside the law. However, Youtube successfully argued that at times their staff can't determine what is sanctioned material (they noted how a lot of companies go for a 'viral' look and feel now days) and what is infringing material, hence their reason for not actively removing files their staff notice.

The truth is though, any tube site owner who *wants to run want the industry calls an 'illegal' tube, but wants to cover all their basis to remain/seem compliant can pretty much do so.

Odin

I suggest you read the latest ACTA releases

3 strikes has been dropped. At this point ACTA is looking like a global DMCA and not a whole lot more.

Agent 488

clean your glasses.

Tickler

YouTube won because the lawsuit was filed based on them not removing the copyrighted material automatically.

But they never got to the "smoking gun" which was documents showing the owners were uploading the stolen content themselves.

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stocktrader23

So we're right back to the "unless they have proof that the owners are uploading illegal content then the tubes will win".