Pink Visual Files $6.75M Suit Against Brazzers

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  • Bugbee
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    • Jun 2004
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    #51
    51 lawsuits
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    • XPays
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      #52
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      • DateDoc
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        • Feb 2005
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        #53
        This will probably end up like the redtube suit.

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        • Longboat full of Vikings
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          • Nov 2004
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          #54
          Any statements from Brazzers yet?

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          • JD
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            • Sep 2003
            • 22651

            #55
            well hot god damn the hammer is falling fast

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            • JD
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              • Sep 2003
              • 22651

              #56
              Originally posted by XPays
              it's not the beginning of the end, it's the beginning of the middle
              haha sounds like "extra medium"

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              • fris
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                • Aug 2002
                • 55679

                #57
                Originally posted by Longboat full of Vikings
                Any statements from Brazzers yet?
                doubt it, for a whole year they denied even owning pornhub, even though an early registration record showd their mailing address for the domain, they even went on to say its not in our budget or plan to run these type of sites, they kept on denying it for a couple years, but in private they were buying link exchanges for the sites.

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                • Klen
                  • Aug 2006
                  • 32235

                  #58
                  Originally posted by DateDoc
                  This will probably end up like the redtube suit.
                  Yes,unless other content producers come to their senses and join this.It is always bigger chance to win lawsuit if tons of people/company join instead just one.
                  Last edited by Klen; 02-16-2010, 12:21 PM.

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                  • JD
                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                    • Sep 2003
                    • 22651

                    #59
                    Originally posted by Bman
                    A couple more big lawsuits and I would assume they are done...
                    i doubt it. if they're structured right they'll go bankrupt and "sell" assets to other companies (which they secretly own) and be back at it again in under a few months

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                    • Nautilus
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                      • Sep 2002
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                      #60
                      Originally posted by JD
                      i doubt it. if they're structured right they'll go bankrupt and "sell" assets to other companies (which they secretly own) and be back at it again in under a few months
                      You cannot just sell your assets to whoever you want under bankruptcy.
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                      • magpan

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                        • Loch
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                          • Feb 2002
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                          #62
                          Its only a matter of time before some of these sites crumble.
                          I know of huge legit companies that actually BUY and will be running legal tubes, when they launch and if the Illigal tubes do not change they will be screwed.

                          And if Brazzers settle now they will have another 20 lawsuits next week....they kinda have their backs against the wall right now lol

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                          • JenniDahling
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                            • Jul 2005
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                            #63
                            Wonder who will spearhead a Class Action suit? Good for TopBucks for taking a stand on piracy. I agree with Roald, when done right a tube site isn't a bad thing, especially as a marketing vehicle for your brand.

                            It's the ones that rip full scenes and especially without permission that's killing our biz. I have a feeling TopBucks just opened the gate... let's see who follows suit.

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                            • Persius
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                              • Jul 2003
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                              #64
                              wow.......

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                              • DWB
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                                • Jul 2003
                                • 31779

                                #65
                                Bwahahahahahahahahaha.

                                That's two MAJOR issues in a week. Sucks to be them. I hope they lose it all.

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                                • Klen
                                  • Aug 2006
                                  • 32235

                                  #66
                                  Originally posted by JenniDahling
                                  Wonder who will spearhead a Class Action suit? Good for TopBucks for taking a stand on piracy. I agree with Roald, when done right a tube site isn't a bad thing, especially as a marketing vehicle for your brand.

                                  It's the ones that rip full scenes and especially without permission that's killing our biz. I have a feeling TopBucks just opened the gate... let's see who follows suit.
                                  Btw does anyone know what happened with Trey lawsuit against zango and aff?

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                                  • datatank
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                                    • Aug 2004
                                    • 5471

                                    #67
                                    Originally posted by baddog
                                    Well, she did say to put your money where your mouth is. Guess she is following her own advice.
                                    Who is she?

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                                    • sortie
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                                      #68
                                      Originally posted by TMM_John
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                                      • Allison
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                                        #69
                                        Originally posted by baddog
                                        Well, she did say to put your money where your mouth is. Guess she is following her own advice.

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                                        • stonerbonerboy
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                                          #70
                                          bump to reduce reposting

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                                          • punkpred
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                                            • May 2007
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                                            #71
                                            Originally posted by Dirty D
                                            Mad respect for Top Bucks and Titan Media stepping up to legally prosecute theft by certain tube sites.
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                                            • Half man, Half Amazing
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                                              #72
                                              Bump for Allison and the gang at PV/TB....Today's Best...Person...In The World!!!!
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                                              • digitaldivas
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                                                • Sep 2007
                                                • 4328

                                                #73
                                                Originally posted by KlenTelaris
                                                Yes,unless other content producers come to their senses and join this.It is always bigger chance to win lawsuit if tons of people/company join instead just one.
                                                If my content was up there, you bet your ass I would be much more involved
                                                ...

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                                                • Longboat full of Vikings
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                                                  • Nov 2004
                                                  • 284

                                                  #74
                                                  Originally posted by fris
                                                  doubt it, for a whole year they denied even owning pornhub, even though an early registration record showd their mailing address for the domain, they even went on to say its not in our budget or plan to run these type of sites, they kept on denying it for a couple years, but in private they were buying link exchanges for the sites:

                                                  http://pastebin.com/f7e816792
                                                  Sneaky bastards!

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                                                  • Klen
                                                    • Aug 2006
                                                    • 32235

                                                    #75
                                                    Originally posted by digitaldivas
                                                    If my content was up there, you bet your ass I would be much more involved
                                                    I can upload it for you there

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                                                    • Longboat full of Vikings
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                                                      • dyna mo
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                                                        • Dec 2008
                                                        • 68184

                                                        #77
                                                        why would they settle? a settlement would be a % of the 6.75m- a couple mil and the tubes continue on? hell. tb/pv has probably lost many times more than that due to all infringment not to mention leaving the door open for more loses.

                                                        i have a hunch that tb/pv is in it to win it and get this shit behind us all.

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                                                        • teomaxxx
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                                                          • May 2003
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                                                          #78
                                                          Originally posted by MaDalton
                                                          it is an open secret that bogus user profiles are created inhouse and content is uploaded through them. but i doubt that something that was said after 5 beer at a bar is usable at any court
                                                          i think its not even secret, just try to upload some content to pornhub

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                                                          • dav3
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                                                            • kada
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                                                              #80
                                                              Originally posted by KlenTelaris
                                                              I can upload it for you there
                                                              haha... nice one
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                                                              • Klen
                                                                • Aug 2006
                                                                • 32235

                                                                #81
                                                                Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                why would they settle? a settlement would be a % of the 6.75m- a couple mil and the tubes continue on? hell. tb/pv has probably lost many times more than that due to all infringment not to mention leaving the door open for more loses.

                                                                i have a hunch that tb/pv is in it to win it and get this shit behind us all.
                                                                Well,they probaly wouldnt sue them if there was no their content there and that is why settlement is possible.

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                                                                • Agent 488
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                                                                  • Feb 2006
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                                                                  #82
                                                                  keep in mind i'm sure they have been preparing for this from day one.

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                                                                  • dyna mo
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                                                                    • Dec 2008
                                                                    • 68184

                                                                    #83
                                                                    Originally posted by KlenTelaris
                                                                    Well,they probaly wouldnt sue them if there was no their content there and that is why settlement is possible.
                                                                    a settlement is always possible, my point is i trust it is not an option due to the reasons i listed.

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                                                                    • MattJustin
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                                                                      #84
                                                                      very interesting...
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                                                                      • digitaldivas
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                                                                        #85
                                                                        Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                        why would they settle? a settlement would be a % of the 6.75m- a couple mil and the tubes continue on? hell. tb/pv has probably lost many times more than that due to all infringment not to mention leaving the door open for more loses.

                                                                        i have a hunch that tb/pv is in it to win it and get this shit behind us all.
                                                                        Yes, sometimes it's the statement that matters, rather than the simple acknowledgement, imho
                                                                        ...

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                                                                        • digitaldivas
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                                                                          • Sep 2007
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                                                                          #86
                                                                          Originally posted by KlenTelaris
                                                                          I can upload it for you there
                                                                          lol, kudos, i left myself wide open on that one
                                                                          ...

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                                                                          • Big John
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                                                                            #87
                                                                            to Topbucks. Been dealing with them 8+ years and earnt some decent money 'back in the day' with them. From straight up sales to quality exit traffic, it's always been a hassle free pleasure to do any business with them.

                                                                            Let's hope the suit comes good for them.

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                                                                            • Sands
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                                                                              #88
                                                                              I'll have to check out their shemale sites and try and send some sales to support the war effort.

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                                                                              • Shap
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                                                                                #89
                                                                                Originally posted by DateDoc
                                                                                This will probably end up like the redtube suit.
                                                                                The redtube lawsuit was retarded to begin with. Allison and her team are smart. I imagine they have a lot of evidence that they've gathered over the past 2 years that is going to fry brazzers on this one.

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                                                                                • gideongallery
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                                                                                  #90
                                                                                  Originally posted by Shap
                                                                                  The redtube lawsuit was retarded to begin with. Allison and her team are smart. I imagine they have a lot of evidence that they've gathered over the past 2 years that is going to fry brazzers on this one.
                                                                                  just remember teen revenues bullshit arguement set the legal precedent that defends every tube site now.

                                                                                  i really hope it not the stupid they get rid or watermarked content so of course they can tell the difference between licienced and unlicenced (fair use and explictly) too.

                                                                                  a 5 dollar a day person can be hired to get rid of watermarks (i see a watermark therefore it goes)

                                                                                  even 300/hour viacomm lawyers could not tell the difference between fair use and infringing.

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                                                                                  • Axeman
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                                                                                    #91
                                                                                    Originally posted by Shap
                                                                                    The redtube lawsuit was retarded to begin with. Allison and her team are smart. I imagine they have a lot of evidence that they've gathered over the past 2 years that is going to fry brazzers on this one.
                                                                                    Not to mention Allison hired a top law firm with experience in online copyright issues, and has a history of coming out on top. Extremely key.
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                                                                                    • pornlaw
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                                                                                      #92
                                                                                      Jenner and Block is a strong IP litigation firm and I would estimate that the retainer on this case could have set PV back a minimum of $50k and the costs of litigation will exceed $100,000.

                                                                                      This isnt a BS case. I am sure this has been 2 yrs in the making before it was filed. I would be surprised if it settled early. This one has a chance to go the distance... unless the govt gets theirs first.I think that may be why this was filed so quickly after that announcement...

                                                                                      Good luck PV.
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                                                                                      • fatfoo
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                                                                                        #93
                                                                                        $6.75 million lawsuit... wow... Big amount of money.

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                                                                                        • PXN
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                                                                                          #94
                                                                                          I hope they won't settle. Settlement will only give them short-term cash injection, but in the long term if a lot of free movies still exist, no one is going to make that much money. They need to start taking these site down or convert them one at a time.

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                                                                                            #95
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                                                                                              • SleazyDream
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                                                                                                #97
                                                                                                Originally posted by Roald
                                                                                                highly successfull as in traffic numbers like the "iligal" ones nope not really. But that doens;t take away the fact that there is nothing wrong with the tube model itself ;)
                                                                                                i agree. model is good - stealing content is bad
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                                                                                                • carlsandoval\
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                                                                                                  #98
                                                                                                  thats what happens when a big company buys big websites.......but yeah i think its a small fee, it should be alot more.
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                                                                                                  • punkpred
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                                                                                                    #99
                                                                                                    Originally posted by pornlaw
                                                                                                    Jenner and Block is a strong IP litigation firm and I would estimate that the retainer on this case could have set PV back a minimum of $50k and the costs of litigation will exceed $100,000.

                                                                                                    This isnt a BS case. I am sure this has been 2 yrs in the making before it was filed. I would be surprised if it settled early. This one has a chance to go the distance... unless the govt gets theirs first.I think that may be why this was filed so quickly after that announcement...

                                                                                                    Good luck PV.
                                                                                                    In your professional opinion, do you think that this could be a chain reaction and many others will come out and sue the illegals?
                                                                                                    HDVBucks

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                                                                                                    • ShellyCrash
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                                                                                                      #100
                                                                                                      Originally posted by Roald
                                                                                                      highly successfull as in traffic numbers like the "iligal" ones nope not really. But that doens;t take away the fact that there is nothing wrong with the tube model itself ;)
                                                                                                      I agree. Tube sites should be like modern TGPs. Eliminate "user submitted", all posted content should have revenue attached in some way- either afl or pay to post, etc.

                                                                                                      Just like galleries, companies should be able to control what they put out there for free and it's easy to police it if you wanted to. Just as someone else said, if they have the resources to strip and bump watermarked content they surely have the resources to flip it the other way around.

                                                                                                      It sucks, you shouldn't have to force people to do the right thing, but the nature of the beast is a site with full length pirated content is going to get more traffic than one with authorised teaser trailers and short clips. To eliminate this content producers are going to have to step on illegal tubes like the music industry did to file sharing sites. You have to bring the battle to a point it becomes unprofitable or nonadvantageous for them to continue to do business illegally. The way to do that is through law suits such as this.

                                                                                                      I applaud Top Bucks, they are taking the lead, but to make this truly successful they will need a few others to throw their hat in the ring and file similar actions.

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