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| View Poll Results: Tito Ortiz vs. Roy Jones Jr. vs Brock Lesnar: WHO WOULD WIN? | |||
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12-21-2002, 12:30 AM
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Tito Ortiz vs Roy Jones Jr. vs Brock Lesnar: WHO WOULD WIN?
Heavyweight boxing and Professional Wrestling are in a pretty pathetic state of affairs.
Its time for MIXED MARTIAL ARTS to step up to the plate and assume the crown of modern fighting sports - fuck boxing and sports entertainment. The only thing even slightly remotely interesting in boxing is the prospect of Roy Jones Jr. fighting HVWT matches - and even that is so politically fucked up among the different promoters that the sport indeed looks in worse shape than even the once great WWE. What about it? Tito Ortiz vs Roy Jones Jr. vs Brock Lesnar...Dream match....three way street fight....who wins? |
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12-21-2002, 12:41 AM
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Ortiz would destroy them.
You know who gonna be the next champ? Chuck Liddel But that Brock is a monster. I dont watch wrestling so I am just going off shear girth. That motherfucker is thick. |
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12-21-2002, 12:46 AM
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Bob Sapp proves that big man always beats little man no matter what the offensive style. I say Lesnar and Ortiz destroy Jones, and then all hell breaks loose as Lesnar gets ahold of ortiz and squeezes until he cant let go. |
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12-21-2002, 12:48 AM
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Just because Brock knows how to diet, lift, and abuse steroids, does not mean he can take a knee to the face very well. He is an actor.
I think Ortiz would be on him like a fucking mexican monkey on pcp. I bet Ortiz could get him to submit. It would be a good fight, and thats the beauty of mixed martial arts... this fight is possible. |
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12-21-2002, 12:57 AM
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Ortiz would make short work out of both of them...no doubt about it.
There are plenty of examples of smallers guys fucking up bigger guys in the UFC. Size matters somewhat, but it's only one factor. We sat next to Ortiz the night after he killed Shamrock. His face was totally untouched, but both of his hands were broken from beating the shit out of Shamrock. Ortiz is the real deal.... |
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12-21-2002, 12:57 AM
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Big Poppa Pump could whip all three and still have the energy to mess up his lines and do push ups...
Boom shaka laka |
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12-21-2002, 12:58 AM
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Nogueira (100 pounds lighter) beat Sapp in Pride last August.
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12-21-2002, 01:27 AM
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Ortiz or Jones would kill the wrestler in an ugly brutal and quick manner.
Ortiz would get murdered by Jones if he's not allowed to take him down, the reverse holds true if he is. The athletes in NHB aren't on a level with the elite boxers yet, I believe a top flight boxer could train at Gracie Academy for a year or so and be absolutely deadly in NHB as long as he can sprawl quick enough. re Sapp size does matter when the skills of the combatants are close, but a super skilled smaller guy can still take the giants out if they're not as adept. |
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Royce is still amazing, he's just priced himself out of the market for most of these events and he got ripped off in his last match with the Olympic Judo guy. Royce wants no time limits, no rules, no nothing except fighting.
MrPopUp, you might be surprised at some of the excellent boxers right now in the lower weights Marco Antonio Barrera Erik Morales Manny Paquio Juan Manuel Marquez there are a ton of great boxers in the lower weights and guys like Barrera and De La Hoya are all time greats. some exciting new guys like Jeff Lacy coming up too, the only thing wrong with boxing right now are the sanctioning bodies and the fact that there are rarely good fights on TV as fighters are ultra protected now until they get a big payday. One loss hurts a fighters bankability so much now that they have to be that careful. In the old days everybody used to fight everybody and a loss or two could be considered a learning experience. Now it's damn near a career-killer. |
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for someone of his size to fight the way he did against all comers - wow. amazing.
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Ortiz would kill em in a street match.
Jones will kill em in a boxing match with Boxing rules. Lesnar would kill them with Wrestling rules. I love these silly posts where people mix totally different kinds athletes and people and try to say whos better... Its like getting the best basketball player in the world and saying they suck casue they would get killed in football. Its just silly. These guys are the best at what they do within the realm of what they practice. I mean, does Tito suck becasue he cant beat Carl Lewis in a race? Sure!! But is he a racer? No.... And anyone who thinks that tito could even hurt Jones in a boxing match is a fool. Also anyone who thinks Jones could hurt Brock in a wresting match is equally a fool.
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12-21-2002, 02:28 AM
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Lesnar would kill them with Wrestling rules.
------------ There are no 'rules' in wrestling, it's entertainment. imho, as a lifelong fighter and an immensely fast and powerful guy Jones would beat Lesnar even in a wrestling match unless Lesnar has actually done some real fighting in his life. I don't know anything about him as I don't follow pro 'wrestling'. Saying a pro wrestler would beat ANY fighter of any kind is like saying Sylvester Stallone could kick Jone's ass. |
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Wasn't Lesnar a bigtime college Greco-Roman wrestling champ?
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ANd he weighs a good 100 lbs more than Tito or Jones. He may weigh more than both of em put together. Trust me, with wrestling rules he would destroy them. Im not talking WWF wrestling dude. Im talking real wrestling.
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FYI, Kurt Angle who is the Current WWF champion in this fake style of wrestling as you call it was an Olympic Gold Medalist in Wrestling, and I assure you could beat the hell out of Jones, or Tito in a wrestling match with wrestling rules.
In a street fight I still think Tito would win. After watching him kill Shamrock (also a wwf wrestler) im convinced he's the real deal in his profession.. But put him in a boxing ring against Jones, and he'll get worked. Put him on a wrestling mat with brock with wrestling rules and he doesnt stand a chance. Put him an an Octagon UFC rules and he's the man.
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This concept is incredible. It brings a wicked element of drama from pro wrestling combined with the REAL fighting aspect. Partners tag in AND get a 5 count to "double team" opponents. MMA is gonna get a big surge in popularity in the coming year with the decline of WWE and boxing.. |
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Sounds intresting to me.
Its all about marketing. The promotion my cousin exxxotica fights for is great, but as I was telling him, if they only knew how to market it better it could be a real solid product. Little things like hyping up the fights, or even lights and into music presentations could really bump up the quality of thier product. After seeing my cousin fight, I know the fighting product is there, they just need to inject some of that entertainment value into it and they got themselves something.
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I think it was assumed that we were talking about a street fight situation, in which case.....I hold to my initial opinion..... Ortiz would kill both of them. Actually...if you look at the initial post, it specifically says "Three Way Street Fight - Who Wins?" |
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hmmm, intresting.
You really think a grappler, someone who does his best work on the ground 1 on 1 would really do well in a street fight with multiple people involved? I dont think they would do as well as ya think rolling around on the ground with multiple people involved. Ive seen top of the line hot head NCAA wrestlers get their asses kicked by a group of 2-3 street negros in the park blocks by the mall. He didnt look too tough outside his 1 on 1 element. He did stick to his method of staying on the ground though as he was getting his head kicked in. The best fighting skills are ones that can adapt to different environments. Back in the day of hand to hand combat, the Asain martial arts ruled. It was war. Multiple warriors fighting all at once. Not sure how well a grapler on the ground would do in a war situation of this fighting era of the past, back when hand to hand combat was the way of war. Obviously these kung-fu and Karate styles are now obsolete for lacking the abilty to evolve and adapt to this newest craze of in ring one on one fighting, but dont think that the 1 on 1 ring fighting you see on UFC can adapt to well to an outside environment and display the same results as it could in a ring either. Putting these 3 in a no holds barred street fight would be intresting. Maybe throw in a Navy Seal or someone trained to handle multiple oppenents to the mix and we got outselves a fight! But Id have to agree, Tito is a beast.. Id put my $$ on him too, but I dont think he's a sure bet in a situation like this as you may think.
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Has anyone seen that Isreal Martial art the Jews teach their Special forces?
Its designed for multiple fighter, multi varible factors in hand to hand combat. Really fucking intresting shit. Fucking Brutal.. I could see someone like that giving many figheter styles a hard time to adapt to multi oppenent fights. They really should start having muti-figheter bouts!! In cages!!! It would be cool as shit! ANd I bet we'd see some fight styles and trends and crazes be re-born all over again as this UFC has done in the past decade to the more traditional Asian Martial Arts giving them a bad name for not being able to adapt in a ring one on one. Lets do it! Start a multi oppenent cage match exhibition at one of these UFC shows.. Maybe its just a matter of time! People always want to see more! Im sure we'd see some new "trendy" fighting styles popup as we've seen come up since the invention of this UFC dynamic.
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Here's the difference. Tito is not a pure wrestler. Out of the three, he is by far the most well rounded fighter. He can punch if he needs to (just look at Shamrocks face) and he can certainly go to the ground and do damage. He might not be the BEST wrestler or the BEST boxes, but he is good enough at both to stand his ground long enough to do damage....imho I agree that in a 2 on 1 situation, nothing is for sure. One direct kick to the head and the fight is over. But, I definitly think Tito would have the overall advantage. With Roy's lack of grapling knowledge, Tito could probably break one of his joints very quickly, totally disabling him and then it becomes 1 on 1. Only takes about 2 seconds to put someone in an arm bar if they don't know what they are doing. A friend of mine who I used to train with actually got jumped by two guys. He brought one to the ground quickly, but kept the guy on top of him, which protected him from the other guy for the most part (although he did get kicked a couple of times). After he choked the first guy unconcious, the other guy ran. Not saying that would happen with the three bad asses we're talking about, but I still think Tito would have the clear advantage. It would be awesome to see some multi fighter matches, although I think there are only a handful of guys who are tough enough to do it. If they just threw in one at the end of every UFC, that would definitly send the ratings through the roof! |
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BTW - Any of you guys ever hear of BENJI RADACH? Anyone see him fight?
I'm thinking of sponsoring him, but havn't seen him fight yet. |
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Rener Gracie used to wrestle in high school. He's brilliant in BJJ but only 'pretty good' in wrestling because he constantly had to fight his instinct to pull his opponent into his guard lol
Grappling would be dangerous fighting multiple opponents, true... you're completely exposed to guy number two while you're trying to disable guy number one. Maybe Muay Thai would be a good thing to know in that situation. The best thing when faced with multiple opponents is to run like hell  |
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