Flash is dead. Long live HTML5 [VID] - Page 3 - GoFuckYourself.com

DamianJ · 02-03-2010, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

I apologize if my comments appeared aggressive, that wasn't my intent.

I agree, things change all the time, and that's usually good. But I've heard this HTML 5 battle cry a hundred times all over the Internet, and it's never put into the perspective of reality.

I was doing Flash interface design all the way back in 1997, and trying to get clients to understand the merits of Flash was like beating my head against a brick wall while simultaneously stabbing myself in the eye with a fork.

Here we are 13 years later and everyone finally 'gets it'. Flash isn't the big scary unknown mystery tech they all thought it was. But that had a lot to do with merely overcoming the plugin 'scariness' factor. With HTML 5 we're talking about fully supportive browsers, agreement between collaborators, and the ever growing end-user apathy towards upgrading anything. Most users can't manage to keep spyware off their systems, let alone get themselves off IE6.

So anyway, I just think you're being overly optimistic about HTML 5 replacing Flash any time soon. (and again, if ever). And from reality's perspective, if your goal is to deliver to as many of your users as possible, then of course you have to use the tech that will accomplish that.

That's all.

Absolutely right. You beat me by 3 years. I was involved in flash sites in 2000.

However, I bet Real Player weren't that worried when Flash came out.

Still, the video looked purdy.

SmokeyTheBear · 02-03-2010, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

As I said, where did I suggest that? I didn't, did I? .

in the thread title

"flash is dead"

if i started a thread that said "george bush is dead" would you assume i meant bush is dead now or bush will eventually die someday ?

weekly · 02-03-2010, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by smokeythebear

in the thread title

"flash is dead"

if i started a thread that said "george bush is dead" would you assume i meant bush is dead now or bush will eventually die someday ?

lol.....very succinct

DamianJ · 02-03-2010, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

in the thread title

"flash is dead"

if i started a thread that said "george bush is dead" would you assume i meant bush is dead now or bush will eventually die someday ?

I suppose that if someone just read the thread title and not the rest of my post where I simply link to a pretty video clip, then maybe people could get confused about my 'the king is dead long live the king' reference. Conceeded.

weekly · 02-03-2010, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

I suppose that if someone just read the thread title and not the rest of my post where I simply link to a pretty video clip, then maybe people could get confused about my 'the king is dead long live the king' reference. Conceeded.

It was not a long live the king reference. Far from it. Closer to long live the pretender.

MetaMan · 02-03-2010, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

Oh, is THAT what you got so annoyed about. That's a thing people say in monarchies and have done since 1272. The King is dead, long live the king. It's a phrase, or saying.

Headlines are meant to get people's attention.

Worked.

Like the hand egg one.

im not annoyed at that, it just isnt that hard to say anything about 10 years from now. a decade long call is kind of pointless in such a rapid changing world.

maybe wont be called flash in 10 years. who knows? HTML5 may not even exist in 10 years. so how does your call matter then?

i am just annoyed because you are only mentioning this because of the recent apple news where they are not using flash.

DamianJ · 02-03-2010, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan

i am just annoyed because you are only mentioning this because of the recent apple news where they are not using flash.

No, I mentioned it cos I thought the video in the link looked pretty darn cool.

Fuck an iPad. I don't want one. Not cos of Flash, but because of the stupid aspect ratio.

rev2 with 16:9 and OLED might tempt me though.

StaceyJo · 02-03-2010, 11:36 AM

Thanks but, browser not supported.

2MuchMark · 02-03-2010, 11:46 AM

Nice video - it worked well for me on Safari (didn't try other browsers). Regardless of which is better, HTML5 is definitely something to watch.

NTSS · 02-03-2010, 12:49 PM

Very nice!

NetHorse · 02-03-2010, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

HTML 5 is not going to kill or replace Flash any time soon.
Get used to it.

I guess you can incorporate it now and have about 20% of users able to see your content.

redwhiteandblue · 02-03-2010, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

And when statistics show that IE6 is STILL the most widely used browser out there,

What statistics are those? Not mine.

AdultSoftwareSolutions · 02-03-2010, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by allanuk

Adobe CTO Kevin Lynch Defends Flash, Warns HTML5 Will Throw The Web "Back To The Dark Ages Of Video"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...020201812.html

Of course he'd say that. It's in his interest.

Unfortunately HTML 5 video is not widely support and there is still some debate about what codec to use. H.264 has some serious licensing issues for something that is supposed to be a standard and the open source codecs don't really compete.

Google acquired On2 a while back and there is some speculation that they will open up VP8. I'm hoping that will be the case.

Amputate Your Head · 02-03-2010, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by redwhiteandblue

What statistics are those? Not mine.

Sorry, IE6 has slipped in the last month down to 20%, just under IE8. But two months ago 6 was still on top. Browser Version Market Share

Still, that is pretty damn significant numbers when we're talking about replacing Flash with HTML 5.

weekly · 02-03-2010, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultSoftwareSolutions

Of course he'd say that. It's in his interest.

Unfortunately HTML 5 video is not widely support and there is still some debate about what codec to use. H.264 has some serious licensing issues for something that is supposed to be a standard and the open source codecs don't really compete.

Google acquired On2 a while back and there is some speculation that they will open up VP8. I'm hoping that will be the case.

I am getting sick to death of this standards debate. H.264 works fine. Any standard is better than no standard.

Loch · 02-03-2010, 10:27 PM

Browser not supported and i have them ALL, great promo LOL

2012 · 02-03-2010, 10:46 PM

r.i.p flash

rock-reed · 02-04-2010, 12:40 AM

Worked on my Chrome and I was able to move around the video very fast.

Nice.

Eric · 02-04-2010, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by weekly

Yeah I know you do sweety, maybe cause its always been legal. Don't make me mention that nasty illegal shit you sold for years. Now be a good boy and get back on message. I really hate to see people blow holes in their feet. And you were being so well behaved. So don't be raising shit all over again. Your veneer is very, very thin. And I can see you have lit your own fuse one more time.

Post proof, a retraction, or ask for this to be removed. Alluding to the fact that someone sold something illegal with out proof is grounds for banning.

You have 1 hour!

Amputate Your Head · 02-04-2010, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric

Post proof, a retraction, or ask for this to be removed. Alluding to the fact that someone sold something illegal with out proof is grounds for banning.

You have 1 hour!

holy crap!

Eric has the hammer cocked!

(that is a pretty harsh accusation though)

Amputate Your Head · 02-04-2010, 03:09 PM

bumping to give weekly a shot at seeing this.

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