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hawkadu · 01-25-2010, 07:10 PM

CCbill sales have been a real nightmare this month with huge swings. Anybody else seeing the same pattern?

security_man · 01-25-2010, 07:39 PM

i also cant get over 5 sales this month

slapass · 01-25-2010, 07:48 PM

It is rough.

Barefootsies · 01-25-2010, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by slapass

It is rough.

Fat Panda · 01-25-2010, 08:03 PM

this month for ccbill SUCK ASS

mayabong · 01-25-2010, 08:08 PM

wow glad I started using it hardcore this month

Calico Jack · 01-25-2010, 08:32 PM

I thought that I'd had shitty months with CCBill before, but January tales the cake. I can't recall ever seeing such slow sales with them. On the up side, sales overall (not using CCBill) are up greatly, so I guess it balances out, but obviously I'm not the only one seing it.

Shoplifter · 01-25-2010, 08:52 PM

I don't see my CCBill average being too out of the ordinary this month overall.

But yeah, the day to day swings with CCBill are incredible.

idtapdat · 01-25-2010, 09:00 PM

no doubt about it.

Playboy-Deak · 01-25-2010, 09:09 PM

So what can the sudden problem be?

GAMEFINEST · 01-25-2010, 09:43 PM

shit is slow

mmcfadden · 01-25-2010, 10:05 PM

I have spent more hours than I will admit right now on this question.

From my research if you have a number for your subscription price on your site and use regional billing either:

- remove the number from your site

- stop regional billing

madawgz · 01-25-2010, 10:05 PM

tried to process literally 5 mins ago...

i tried to signup to a site using ccbill and my credit card was declined (using a prepaid mastercard)

then i switch the information to my actual credit card i have with my bank, and it was declined...

unbelievable...lol that fucking sucks for everyone processing with them...

BFT3K · 01-25-2010, 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madawgz

tried to process literally 5 mins ago...

i tried to signup to a site using ccbill and my credit card was declined (using a prepaid mastercard)

then i switch the information to my actual credit card i have with my bank, and it was declined...

unbelievable...lol that fucking sucks for everyone processing with them...

What is the criteria for scrubbing? What is the process?

What is the logic behind processors rejecting perfectly good cards?

Seriously - anyone have any inside info?

cosis · 01-25-2010, 10:26 PM

sales suck all together the past week and a half

trevesty · 01-25-2010, 10:31 PM

yes.. seems like they're scrubbing hard this month. :/ wasn't gonna say anything, but getting pretty old heh

first month our sales have ever dipped like this. they basically never go down, especially when traffic is increased 100%

Playboy-Deak · 01-25-2010, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madawgz

tried to process literally 5 mins ago...

i tried to signup to a site using ccbill and my credit card was declined (using a prepaid mastercard)

then i switch the information to my actual credit card i have with my bank, and it was declined...

unbelievable...lol that fucking sucks for everyone processing with them...

It has also happened to me! My good credit card got declined... I came on gfy, searched, and read that some banks block CCBill sites. That excuse sounded plausible... But unfortunately, that wasn't true cuz I did it again just las week ( Same CCard) and the sale was a success...

But BFT3K posed a good question... What is the logic behind processors rejecting perfectly good cards?

Why scrub so hard anyway when the processor themselves won't make any money?

mmcfadden · 01-25-2010, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by iheartbucks Trev

yes.. seems like they're scrubbing hard this month. :/ wasn't gonna say anything, but getting pretty old heh

first month our sales have ever dipped like this. they basically never go down, especially when traffic is increased 100%

I checked one of the sites in your sig. There goes my theory about not displaying the currency amount prior to ccbill.

I did check with my phone and every currency shows up in the drop down menu on ccbill. Anyone else see this?

I had an hour conversation with tech2 tonight about every currency displayed and the reason was because my phone does not work like normal browser.

I have seen huge declines in sales the last 3 weeks and just don't know what to do. I have a lot of declines but the drop in sales is more then just the declines I see.

corvette · 01-25-2010, 11:24 PM

Let me comment here that historically, I remember that January would start off really strong and then you would see a drop, looking even worse because of the strong early part of the month. so there is some contrast there.

We can run reports on form hits/submissions/declines, etc. im willing to do test signups right now as a consumer if anyone thinks something is not working right

let me know, would not be a problem

[email protected]

BFT3K · 01-25-2010, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corvette

Let me comment here that historically, I remember that January would start off really strong (sales records being broken for days) and then you would see a drop, looking even worse because of the strong early part of the month.

We can run reports on form hits/submissions/declines, etc. im willing to do test signups right now as a consumer if anyone thinks something is not working right

let me know, would not be a problem

[email protected]

My sales are actually getting a little better every month, but I'd still like to know what CCBill's process is regarding approvals and declines. What is the criteria/process for card scrubbing?

Iron Fist · 01-25-2010, 11:34 PM

Something is at play... i've been promoting CCBILL sites for 6 years and I have NEVER seen January so bad. I'm sending 50% more traffic and seeing 25% of the sales... it just doesn't make sense... I get seasonal slowdowns.. they happen, fine. I don't get no sales for just over two weeks in a row, especially if I haven't touched a thing.

I might do some test signups and see what the hell happens...

corvette · 01-25-2010, 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BFT3K

My sales are actually getting a little better every month, but I'd still like to know what CCBill's process is regarding approvals and declines. What is the criteria/process for card scrubbing?

sure, the goal here is to accept as many cards as possible while maintaining acceptable risk levels and we use a variety of criteria for accepting credit cards (be tough and unwise to post the criteria we use for accepting cards on this board), but let me say we are constantly working on lowering the decline rate while still mitigating the risk.

But again, this has historically been tougher time, for the reason I stated above as well as this is the time that consumers are hit with their Christmas CC statements, as well as the high sales from many computers being purchased during christmas and then the contrast later in the month (of course, this was much more pronounced years ago)

BFT3K · 01-25-2010, 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corvette

sure, the goal here is to accept as many cards as possible while maintaining acceptable risk levels and we use a variety of criteria for accepting credit cards (be tough and unwise to post the criteria we use for accepting cards on this board), but let me say we are constantly working on lowering the decline rate while still mitigating the risk.

But again, this has historically been tougher time, for the reason I stated above as well as this is the time that consumers are hit with their Christmas CC statements, as well as the high sales from many computers being purchased during christmas and then the contrast later in the month (of course, this was much more pronounced years ago)

Thanks for the reply. Obviously you guys have to do what you have to do. It's hard to imagine the formula doesn't include a little of this calculation though... Less approved credit card transactions = less risk. It's just a mathematical reality we have to live with I guess.

mmcfadden · 01-25-2010, 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corvette

sure, the goal here is to accept as many cards as possible while maintaining acceptable risk levels and we use a variety of criteria for accepting credit cards (be tough and unwise to post the criteria we use for accepting cards on this board), but let me say we are constantly working on lowering the decline rate while still mitigating the risk.

But again, this has historically been tougher time, for the reason I stated above as well as this is the time that consumers are hit with their Christmas CC statements, as well as the high sales from many computers being purchased during christmas and then the contrast later in the month (of course, this was much more pronounced years ago)

Can you take a look at how regional billing displays? And your scrubbing process?

I just recently got google se traffic back... A couple good affiliates pushing traffic, and sales have never sucked harder.

corvette · 01-26-2010, 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mmcfadden

Can you take a look at how regional billing displays? And your scrubbing process?

I just recently got google se traffic back... A couple good affiliates pushing traffic, and sales have never sucked harder.

we can take a look at anything you want us to, send your account information to [email protected] and well look at it and get back to you

trevesty · 01-26-2010, 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corvette

Let me comment here that historically, I remember that January would start off really strong and then you would see a drop, looking even worse because of the strong early part of the month. so there is some contrast there.

We can run reports on form hits/submissions/declines, etc. im willing to do test signups right now as a consumer if anyone thinks something is not working right

let me know, would not be a problem

[email protected]

e-mailed you.. thanks

madawgz · 01-26-2010, 01:52 AM

hey corvette, i understand how scrubbing works but my card is 100% valid, and i use it everywhere online without a problem.

it should have been approved..

the only reason why it may not have been approved is because i changed the address the second try around after i used the prepaid credit card to my actual address...??

sojproductions · 01-26-2010, 03:12 AM

Our sales have dropped off since the 15th big style... I looked at Jan 08 and Jan 09 and this is NOT a trend as far as our program is concerned... jan in the previous 2 years has been relatively stable with similar daily figures throughout, this jan is abnormal... makes predicting cashflow and balance sheets a nightmare..

the real magoo · 01-26-2010, 03:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sharphead

Something is at play... i've been promoting CCBILL sites for 6 years and I have NEVER seen January so bad. I'm sending 50% more traffic and seeing 25% of the sales... it just doesn't make sense...

Makes perfect sense. It is called a depression..

Dirty Lord · 01-26-2010, 04:03 AM

mmm....i dont know, man

idtapdat · 01-26-2010, 06:54 AM

if you don't see that something is wrong your just not looking hard enough

CCBill Paul · 01-26-2010, 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madawgz

hey corvette, i understand how scrubbing works but my card is 100% valid, and i use it everywhere online without a problem.

it should have been approved..

the only reason why it may not have been approved is because i changed the address the second try around after i used the prepaid credit card to my actual address...??

This could certainly have to do with the reason you were declined. There is a reason for every decline and we are happy to look into any that occur. If you have not already sent Corvette your information feel free to forward it over to me.

DebsDeep · 01-26-2010, 07:45 AM

Actually mine have come up this month, due to some different pricing options

iheartbucks · 01-26-2010, 07:49 AM

yes sales have been all over the place this month, my partner and I have never seen anything like it. I have spoken to ccbill about it over the last few weeks with several explanations, but I am glad to see we are not the only ones seeing this issue

seeandsee · 01-26-2010, 08:01 AM

sales dump

ruff · 01-26-2010, 08:18 AM

For 10 years January has always been the worst for sales. Until this year. My sales are up and steady. Everything is CC Bill and never a problem.

femdomdestiny · 01-26-2010, 08:20 AM

I see periodical drop in sales, and I can see this month is a little worse then previous, but not so bad. Ratios are stats with unique clicks.

November 2009 - 1:893
December: 2009 - 1:871
January: 2010 - 1:944 January (5 more days until end of month)

18teens · 01-26-2010, 08:21 AM

This has been my slowest January of all time but it isn't just CCBill.

tammix · 01-26-2010, 08:24 AM

could it be that some processors are "black listed" somehow so cards get rejected?

Pornopat · 01-26-2010, 08:27 AM

My ccbill sales are double the amount I did in december.
The ratio also improved in a great way. I went from 1:1170 to 1:705
Even with about 20% more traffic sent my ratio has managed to improve.
I am a happy camper.

femdomdestiny · 01-26-2010, 08:39 AM

Oh yes, and guys from CCbill reading this: I am not getting new program signup notification email anymore. Please check.

thanks

bns666 · 01-26-2010, 08:42 AM

sales with ccbill down here too...

andrej_NDC · 01-26-2010, 08:45 AM

This month is worse for all merchants...

Bhunter · 01-26-2010, 08:48 AM

My CCbill program is cascaded.. me and my affiliates have nothing to complain on this matter.

247mg · 01-26-2010, 08:50 AM

i m suffering as well last 10 days pathatic

GotGauge · 01-26-2010, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

I see periodical drop in sales, and I can see this month is a little worse then previous, but not so bad. Ratios are stats with unique clicks.

November 2009 - 1:893
December: 2009 - 1:871
January: 2010 - 1:944 January (5 more days until end of month)

Can you please ICQ me, I have a question for you!

redwhiteandblue · 01-26-2010, 10:11 AM

Every time there's one of these threads about CCBill I always look at my ratio for the month and it's always around 1:900 and so I just think, "meh".

But this month for the first time, my CCBill sales are down by about 50%....I literally would have expected double the CCBill sales I have so far. My other sponsors don't seem to be suffering too badly so something doesn't seem right.

corvette · 01-26-2010, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madawgz

hey corvette, i understand how scrubbing works but my card is 100% valid, and i use it everywhere online without a problem.

it should have been approved..

the only reason why it may not have been approved is because i changed the address the second try around after i used the prepaid credit card to my actual address...??

can you contact me? lets look at this

45471840
[email protected]

4pleasure · 01-26-2010, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BFT3K

What is the logic behind processors rejecting perfectly good cards?

This usualy happens due to "bayesian probability" algorithms in their chargeback prevention system.

from wikipedia:

"Bayesian probability is one of the most popular interpretations of the concept of probability. The Bayesian interpretation of probability can be seen as an extension of logic that enables reasoning with uncertain statements. To evaluate the probability of a hypothesis, the Bayesian probabilist specifies some prior probability, which is then updated in the light of new relevant data. The Bayesian interpretation provides a standard set of procedures and formula to perform this calculation."

In other words ( in the case of payment processors ) : based on a number of factors the software predicts that chances are really high that a chargeback will occur thus it does not allow the transaction...

I had this happening 2 times with zombaio... as a reason for the declined transaction it said "Bayesian probability"

... apparently these checks are very common in payment processor risk management software.

LickMyBalls · 01-26-2010, 10:47 AM

My CCbill Ratios

October 1:499
Nov 1:414
December 1:383
January 1 thru 22 : 1:348
Jan 22 thru 5 mins ago: 1:679

This is a couple hundred sales per month. Number of new signups, not dollars.

01-25-2010, 07:10 PM	#1
hawkadu Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 276	Dead CCbill sales, anyone else? CCbill sales have been a real nightmare this month with huge swings. Anybody else seeing the same pattern?

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Calico Jack Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 2,051	I thought that I'd had shitty months with CCBill before, but January tales the cake. I can't recall ever seeing such slow sales with them. On the up side, sales overall (not using CCBill) are up greatly, so I guess it balances out, but obviously I'm not the only one seing it. __________________ Got Foot Fetish Traffic? These sites will make you $$$... Footsie Babes - Hot Legs & Feet - Kink's Foot Worship - Black Meat White Feet NAKED HOSTING (Certified Hosting)...Adult Web Hosting at its FINEST! Signup Here!

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01-25-2010, 07:39 PM	#2
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01-25-2010, 08:03 PM	#5
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01-25-2010, 08:52 PM	#8
Shoplifter Richest man in Babylon Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Posts: 10,002 Posts: 5,739	I don't see my CCBill average being too out of the ordinary this month overall. But yeah, the day to day swings with CCBill are incredible.

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01-25-2010, 10:05 PM	#13
madawgz 8.8.8.8 Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Noordermarkt Posts: 30,509	tried to process literally 5 mins ago... i tried to signup to a site using ccbill and my credit card was declined (using a prepaid mastercard) then i switch the information to my actual credit card i have with my bank, and it was declined... unbelievable...lol that fucking sucks for everyone processing with them... __________________ TAEMDLRMSKRJIXMRLSMRJ.

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cosis Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Beach Posts: 5,283	sales suck all together the past week and a half

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trevesty Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Midwest Posts: 3,809	yes.. seems like they're scrubbing hard this month. :/ wasn't gonna say anything, but getting pretty old heh first month our sales have ever dipped like this. they basically never go down, especially when traffic is increased 100%

01-25-2010, 11:24 PM	#19
corvette Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: scottsdale Posts: 7,880	Let me comment here that historically, I remember that January would start off really strong and then you would see a drop, looking even worse because of the strong early part of the month. so there is some contrast there. We can run reports on form hits/submissions/declines, etc. im willing to do test signups right now as a consumer if anyone thinks something is not working right let me know, would not be a problem [email protected] __________________ If you need a good company for check writing services, then check out checkissuing, and for webhosting, check out Phoenix NAP Last edited by corvette; 01-25-2010 at 11:26 PM..

01-25-2010, 11:34 PM	#21
Iron Fist Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 23,400	Something is at play... i've been promoting CCBILL sites for 6 years and I have NEVER seen January so bad. I'm sending 50% more traffic and seeing 25% of the sales... it just doesn't make sense... I get seasonal slowdowns.. they happen, fine. I don't get no sales for just over two weeks in a row, especially if I haven't touched a thing. I might do some test signups and see what the hell happens... __________________ i like waffles

01-26-2010, 01:52 AM	#27
madawgz 8.8.8.8 Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Noordermarkt Posts: 30,509	hey corvette, i understand how scrubbing works but my card is 100% valid, and i use it everywhere online without a problem. it should have been approved.. the only reason why it may not have been approved is because i changed the address the second try around after i used the prepaid credit card to my actual address...?? __________________ TAEMDLRMSKRJIXMRLSMRJ.

01-26-2010, 03:12 AM	#28
sojproductions Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,160	Our sales have dropped off since the 15th big style... I looked at Jan 08 and Jan 09 and this is NOT a trend as far as our program is concerned... jan in the previous 2 years has been relatively stable with similar daily figures throughout, this jan is abnormal... makes predicting cashflow and balance sheets a nightmare.. __________________ ICQ: 404-159-022 Blue Pixels Profits - Uk Solo Tranny sites & Crossdressing! Filthy Profits - Uk MILF Solo Sites

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iheartbucks Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 637	yes sales have been all over the place this month, my partner and I have never seen anything like it. I have spoken to ccbill about it over the last few weeks with several explanations, but I am glad to see we are not the only ones seeing this issue

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femdomdestiny Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 5,177	Ratio I see periodical drop in sales, and I can see this month is a little worse then previous, but not so bad. Ratios are stats with unique clicks. November 2009 - 1:893 December: 2009 - 1:871 January: 2010 - 1:944 January (5 more days until end of month) __________________ Femdom Destiny -------------------------------------------- ICQ: 463-630-426 email: webmaster(at)femdomdestiny.com

01-26-2010, 08:21 AM	#38
18teens Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,605	This has been my slowest January of all time but it isn't just CCBill.

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tammix Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: El-Kaliman Oasis, West Sahara Posts: 2,164	could it be that some processors are "black listed" somehow so cards get rejected?

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Bhunter Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 1,119	My CCbill program is cascaded.. me and my affiliates have nothing to complain on this matter.

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redwhiteandblue Bollocks Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bollocks Posts: 2,793	Every time there's one of these threads about CCBill I always look at my ratio for the month and it's always around 1:900 and so I just think, "meh". But this month for the first time, my CCBill sales are down by about 50%....I literally would have expected double the CCBill sales I have so far. My other sponsors don't seem to be suffering too badly so something doesn't seem right. __________________ Interserver unmanaged AMD Ryzen servers from $73.00

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LickMyBalls So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 756	My CCbill Ratios October 1:499 Nov 1:414 December 1:383 January 1 thru 22 : 1:348 Jan 22 thru 5 mins ago: 1:679 This is a couple hundred sales per month. Number of new signups, not dollars.