at a company I worked for we did our own billing/processing so stuffing 200+ affiliate checks into envelopes sucks.

But would it have sucked worse if you did not have to pay out any affiliates because you had no sales?

And whose choice is it if they want to give me that much of the sale? Not me... it's the companies choice! So say for arguments sake a a sale is for an hours worth of work... your saying if a company is paying an employee 40 or 50 bucks an hour they should be deducting a cheque at the end of the week?

Cheque fee's are one of the cost of running a biz... if you can't afford that then get it's time to get the fuck out because you shouldn't be running a biz!!!!!

sure would of. but at the time there was no other option, so we stuffed them. didn't charge extra, prolly should of.

So would you also charge the talent a service fee to pay them? How about crew? Employees? I think this is what the gripe is about is that none of these other groups get charged to get paid, only the affiliates.

I would hope the feedback from this thread would be helpfull to companies charging for checks and not providing "free" options for their affiliates to be paid. Instead of being defensive they can use this as feedback and then determine if this is really the route they want to take. I think everyone knows it is total bullshit. It makes affiliates start to feel like "customers" the way a customer gets hit with hidden cross sales and other bs fees, now we are getting hit with them too. If companies want to nickel and dime us fine, its your choice. It just makes you look really bad and if that bad perception is worth putting a couple extra bucks in your pocket then more power to you. For those of you who really don't care about collecting the extra money and may be on the fence I hope this post gives you good feedback.

To the people saying affiliates just want more more and more? Like what? what are affiliates crying to you for more of? I keep hearing this but no one can tell me what it is ? The only thing I've heard affiliates crying for is to be paid by some companies who are late on payments or going out of business.

this isn't second life.

Dumb bitches like you need to get a first life.

So do I. :thumbsup

I wonder who this melissa chick used to be.
her song sounds familiar.

are you tarded? trying to pick a fight? when i pay my crew i cut checks all the time. I hate writing and my penmanship is terrible, but I do it and i don't take $5 out of the check.

what fucking business do you do besides troll? can you post a link that goes somewhere?

how about posting your tits to prove you are actually a woman.

I merely commented on your statement that you "probably should have charged them".

I work in mainstream and the last thing I would ever do is provide any sort of link that could associate me to the adult industry.

How about you post a pic of your dick to prove you are actually a man?

i did in a thread last week.

i've been here longer, you have more to prove than i do.

if you are in mainstream whey are you here?

why do you bother to link your defunct tube link to an ******** article if you aren't in this biz? why do you even care?

you are a troll.

i don't use any sponsors that charge for checks (that i know of). there are a lot that charge to get paid via epassporte though. charging for checks is stupid. like DWB said, banks should stop charging for wires if they want to get rid of checks. i don't see why they charge for wires in the first place.

I don't have to prove shit to you fuckhead. I am mainstream deal with it. I had a story come across my desk last year that was about one "Dirty D" Michael Storm who is accused of using an underage minor in one of his productions among other complaints. We have spoken to the Lt. that Kelsie gave her story to as well as other people directly involved in the story. Kelsie provided the same information to the investigating officer as she did in her email to Gene Ross. While her involvement was wrong, Storm is believed to have been well aware of the situation.

The tube site was a simple operation set up to get inside his promo area to gather any needed information to help later on if information was needed for other girls on his site. It is truly fucking amazing how simple programs make it to gain access to content for collection purposes without even having to prove you belong to the industry.

Everything was calculated and deliberate. Assholes like Dirty D fuck up routinely and it was only a matter of time before he did so again which provided us with the chance to make "the industry leading adult forum" aware of his antics as mentioned on the shit he allegedly pulled in the article Gene Ross wrote on ******** in December 2008. It was a simple process. Wait for him to create enough drama and eyeballs and then bring it back to the attention of the very people he endangered through promotion of ILLEGAL content. Simply coming on GFY and posting a thread about his antics would have garnered him more support but when considered with additional information like fucking over an affiliate, people were more open to the actual facts in the case rather than simple dismissal of an outsider trying to bring down an industry.

In doing so, more information came out from StarErotica and Whore Monger who are more than aware of the way Storm does business. As well as the story was covered in great detail on the MJ Morning Radio Show in Tampa. Whether or not Storm ever faces justice for alleged production of a 17 year old minor remains to be seen. Enough information is out there now that a mere search will turn up information on his shady business practices.

I bet the next time Storm thinks it's a cool idea to post bullshit calling Rich MacDonald a child molester and then going to great lengths to even host his slanderous accusations on his company's page (The Stall), he will think twice about all the shit he has done that has not come out yet and there is more. I bet the next time he thinks about posting personal information including social security numbers and identification numbers of a model (kelsie) on a site and then list all of the other producers in Florida that she worked with, he will think long and hard about who has what information on him.

Again, I hve no issue with adult as an industry. Frankly, I love much of the product. But I loathe scumbags and perverts that allegedly produce content with underage performers.

I've never seen mainstream pay that much. Not saying it's not true, I'm saying what you are saying is news to me.

Without the Affiliates These programs would be nothing. They can not survive without affiliates to promote them.. They only charge for checks because they can. If affiliates would stop using the ones that charge for checks they would stop charging for checks.....Supply and demand... :2 cents:

It goes both ways. If you don't want to be an affiliate and pay for your checks, don't be. Or simply choose programs that absorb that fee. That choice is yours.

Personally it doesn't bother me. As an affiliate I've counted that into the cost of my business, along with hosting.

My utilities company forces me to pay them a fee if I pay with a credit card and use their phone pay system. My choice would be to go solar, but I choose to pay the small $3 fee.

Of course they wouldn't. Never, ever. That was not my point.


I don't think it's something to worry about or even question. It is what it is. In theory, yea, it is dumb, but what can ya do? The only solution is to push a company who doesn't charge.

But it is your choice to promote a company who charges you.


Again, it goes both ways. Perhaps the affiliate should find a new line of work? You can say that no matter what side the fence you're on.

A better solution to make both parties happy may be to split the cost? I think that would be fair.

You still don't get it and your analogies are terrible, fact is you can't find an accurate analogy to match what some of these companies are doing with these bullshit fees.

Does your utility company charge you if you pay with a check? 100% chance that is a "no". The whole point of this entire thread is that some of these companies are charging a fee for ALL payment options, forcing the affiliate to have to pay a fee to collect money for services rendered. If they want to charge a fee for this option or that option (wire or epass,whatever) I don't care as long as there is at least one option we can get paid without having to pay to get paid.

YOUR hosting bill and SOMEONE ELSE's fees to send you a payment, you put both of those two things together in the same realm of YOUR "expenses" ???

So you actually factor into YOUR opperational cost to do business as an AFFILIATE a couple extra bucks to cover the fees of the person sending YOU the money. Are serious you have to be joking, shouldn't the company sending the money factor that into their costs???? :upsidedow:warning:upsidedow:warning:helpme:upside dow

Answer me this... why are affiliates the ONLY ones that these companies pass the fee onto ? You can't argue that an affiliate provides a service, traffic and customers (sales). A hosting company provides a service.. bandwidth, their designers provide a service, programmers, electric company, processing company etc etc etc... but do they deduct $5 or whatever from their bill when they go to pay these companies????? NOPE. So explain to me why affiliates are the only ones getting shit on with these bullshit fees ?

no need to answer, it has already been said.... because they can. They know all of those other companies would tell them to go fuck themselves if they pulled that with them, where as we are all just one step above surfers and will fall for all the bullshit fees. sad but true... obviously.

I wonder why these operations don't seem to be more automated... with good accounting software these days, you can print off all your cheques with a few mouse clicks and then spend a couple hours stuffing envelopes... a small price to pay for all that revenue you made from affiliates.

Of course, most sponsors aren't set up this way, and probably do everything by hand, so therefore the cheque charge.

cause they can......what ya gonna do about it????

We don't charge for checks

Do de do...

use sponsors who don't charge then. who gives a fuck?

yup, affiliates are everything in this business. Without them, customers turn off their computers.

thats not true. not all companies need affiliates. some can live off of b2b transactions with other companies by doing such things as cross sales and stuff like that. And some other companies actually do some inhouse traffic, but most don't. Most do rely on affiliates.

So what you are upset about is not that it is the affiliate that has to cover the expense it is to send a check. Instead of the sponsor being specific about it you would just prefer they hide it in the payout.

You'd rather get payed $1 less per member (according to your own post) or a 49% revshare and see a "FREE check" text? Talk about being raped in the ass then lol.

While I think $2 is just fine, I find $10 to be bullshit. If I want to mail a letter to my neighbor it will cost me $5. If I want to send a letter to another EU country it will cost me almost $2 and very close to $2 for the rest of the world.
I expect it will cost a sponsor something too to airmail me my check, and since they aren't a charity organization I will of course also expect that the expense will in the end be placed on myself.

So there is absolutely no costs involved in sending you a check? It's all pure profit?
I think it's a person like you we need you to lead the world. With a new reality of no expenses and all profit we'll soon be out of the financial crisis.

you totally miss it, this whole arguement went way over your head and if your reply is what you got out of all my posts here there is absolutely nothing else I can say to try to make you understand it.

right that is what i am saying, i want to be ass raped harder, i don't think it cost anything to send checks... etc... :upsidedow but with all of that said you think $2 is ok but $10 is not lmao. so i am crazy for thinking that the fee shouldn't be passed on, but you are saine for picking the exact amount that is acceptable.... :winkwink: GFY, got to love it.

Personally, this is how I would offer payouts:

Checks - Free
ePassporte - $2 (or whatever their current fee is)
Bank wire - $35 or waive if minimum payout is above a certain threshold

The programs that do offer free payout options should definitely be taking advantage of that fact in their "Why choose us?" / program features; which not many do.

I want my 2 dollars!